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Welcome to the Future of Cyber Risk podcast brought to you by Team Cymru. This show will focus on conversations with experts and leading practitioners about what can be done to prepare for what lies ahead. Every episode will highlight actionable takeaways to help our audience get ahead of the curve and prepare for the trends and technologies shaping the future.
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Your Undivided Attention

Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin, The Center for Humane Technology

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In our podcast, Your Undivided Attention, co-hosts Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin explore the unprecedented power of emerging technologies: how they fit into our lives, and how they fit into a humane future. Join us every other Thursday as we confront challenges and explore solutions with a wide range of thought leaders and change-makers — like Audrey Tang on digital democracy, neurotechnology with Nita Farahany, getting beyond dystopia with Yuval Noah Harari, and Esther Perel on Artificial I ...
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks with Joshua Brown, VP and Global CISO at H&R Block, who explains the importance of not being alarmist when raising risk concerns and avoiding leading a conversation with "no." Joshua also discusses why storytelling is such a huge part of his role and shares some advice for cyb…
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Suicides. Self harm. Depression and anxiety. The toll of a social media-addicted, phone-based childhood has never been more stark. It can be easy for teens, parents and schools to feel like they’re trapped by it all. But in this conversation with Tristan Harris, author and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt makes the case that the conditions that l…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks with David Lingenfelter, Chief Information Security Officer at PENN Entertainment. They discuss the challenge of securing assets that you did not create yourself and how evolving regulations have affected the gaming industry's risk appetite. David also offers his insight on th…
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Beneath the race to train and release more powerful AI models lies another race: a race by companies and nation-states to secure the hardware to make sure they win AI supremacy. Correction: The latest available Nvidia chip is the Hopper H100 GPU, which has 80 billion transistors. Since the first commercially available chip had four transistors, the…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Chris Copeland, Associate Professor & Director of the Institute of Homeland Security and Cybercrime at Tarleton State University, about the misconceptions of cybersecurity and how he prepares his students for a full career of learning. Chris also predicts the trends of cybe…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Eric Adams, CEO/CISO at Federal Cyber Defense Solutions. They discuss what FedRAMP and FISMA are, how to use NIST as a roadmap to federal compliance, and what controls you need to implement for those requirements. They also talk about the need for vulnerability context and …
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Nat Prakongpan, VP of Product at Cyberbit (formerly of IBM at the time of recording). They discuss the need for business resiliency in security programs, and why you shouldn't just focus on preventing an attack but on recovery after an attack as well. They also talk about w…
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What does a functioning democracy look like in the age of artificial intelligence? Could AI even be used to help a democracy flourish? Just in time for election season, Taiwan’s Minister of Digital Affairs Audrey Tang returns to the podcast to discuss healthy information ecosystems, resilience to cyberattacks, how to “prebunk” deepfakes, and more. …
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Alexander Seger, Head of Cybercrime Division at the Council of Europe. They discuss how the Council of Europe is building capacity worldwide around cybercrime awareness, legislation, and enforcement, and how they're doing that through increased training. They also talk abou…
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Was it political progress, or just political theater? The recent Senate hearing with social media CEOs led to astonishing moments — including Mark Zuckerberg’s public apology to families who lost children following social media abuse. Our panel of experts, including Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, untangles the explosive hearing, and offers …
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Joshua Scott, Head of Information Security & IT at Postman. They discuss the importance of security as more companies use APIs, and how better security improves reputation and trust with customers. They also talk about how practitioners can communicate more simply when deal…
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Over the past year, a tsunami of apps that digitally strip the clothes off real people has hit the market. Now anyone can create fake non-consensual sexual images in just a few clicks. With cases proliferating in high schools, guest presenter Laurie Segall talks to legal scholar Mary Anne Franks about the AI-enabled rise in deep fake porn and what …
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We usually talk about tech in terms of economics or policy, but the casual language tech leaders often use to describe AI — summoning an inanimate force with the powers of code — sounds more... magical. So, what can myth and magic teach us about the AI race? Josh Schrei, mythologist and host of The Emerald podcast, says that foundational cultural t…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Craig Jones, Director of Cybercrime at INTERPOL. They discuss the mission and purpose of INTERPOL to reduce cybercrime worldwide, and how they go about doing that on a daily basis through data aggregation, creating frameworks, and sharing intel with nations and locales worl…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Bob Carver, Principal Cybersecurity Threat Intelligence and Analytics at Verizon. They discuss the importance of looking for subtle issues no one else may see, why security practitioners should gain more awareness in network and sysadmin activities, and how to build a cultu…
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2024 will be the biggest election year in world history. Forty countries will hold national elections, with over two billion voters heading to the polls. In this episode of Your Undivided Attention, two experts give us a situation report on how AI will increase the risks to our elections and our democracies. Correction: Tristan says two billion peo…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Evan Blicker, Sr. Cyber Threat Investigator - Dark Web Lead at LinkedIn. They discuss what the dark web is, what you can find there, and the biggest misconceptions about the dark web — like why it should be viewed more as a community of people rather than a dangerous arena.…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Miranda Bruce, Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Oxford, and Steve Santorelli, Chief of Staff at Team Cymru, about the RISE and Underground Economy conferences. A RISE scholarship recipient, Miranda talks about her experience attending the Underground Economy confere…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Carolyn Kissane, Associate Dean of the MS in Global Affairs and MS in Global Security, Conflict, and Cyber Crime at the NYU Center for Global Affairs. They discuss how the Center for Global Affairs prepares students for how cyber security will play a bigger role in geopolit…
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You asked, we answered. This has been a big year in the world of tech, with the rapid proliferation of artificial intelligence, acceleration of neurotechnology, and continued ethical missteps of social media. Looking back on 2023, there are still so many questions on our minds, and we know you have a lot of questions too. So we created this episode…
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As AI development races forward, a fierce debate has emerged over open source AI models. So what does it mean to open-source AI? Are we opening Pandora’s box of catastrophic risks? Or is open-sourcing AI the only way we can democratize its benefits and dilute the power of big tech? Correction: When discussing the large language model Bloom, Elizabe…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Assaf Kipnis, Owner and Head Consultant/Advisor at ASK Integrity Solutions, which conducts adversarial network analysis, risk assessment, and counter-threat intel. They discuss the day-to-day activities of threat intelligence and hunting down adversaries, what adversary acc…
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On Monday, Oct. 30, President Biden released a sweeping executive order that addresses many risks of artificial intelligence. Tom Wheeler, former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, shares his insights on the order with Tristan and Aza and discusses what’s next in the push toward AI regulation. Clarification: When quoting Thomas Jeff…
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In this interview, Dr. Joy Buolamwini argues that algorithmic bias in AI systems poses risks to marginalized people. She challenges the assumptions of tech leaders who advocate for AI “alignment” and explains why some tech companies are hypocritical when it comes to addressing bias. Dr. Joy Buolamwini is the founder of the Algorithmic Justice Leagu…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Dr. Eugene H. Spafford, Professor of Computer Sciences at Purdue University, Dr. Leigh Metcalf, Senior Network Security Research Analyst at CERT, and Dr. Josiah Dykstra, Technical Director, Critical Networks & Systems at NSA, authors of the book Cybersecurity Myths and Misc…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Andy Piazza, Global Head of Threat Intelligence at IBM X-Force, a threat intelligence sharing platform. They discuss the day-to-day responsibilities of IBM's threat intelligence team in creating strategy and overseeing threat collection, the ways in which threat actors are …
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This is going to be the most productive decade in the history of our species, says Mustafa Suleyman, author of “The Coming Wave,” CEO of Inflection AI, and founder of Google’s DeepMind. But in order to truly reap the benefits of AI, we need to learn how to contain it. Paradoxically, part of that will mean collectively saying no to certain forms of …
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Jordan Howell, Assistant Professor and Cybersecurity Researcher at University of South Florida. They discuss how Jordan works with his students each day, how there needs to be a shift in academia to focus on more holistic training, and the variety of skills that students ne…
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Last week, Senator Chuck Schumer brought together Congress and many of the biggest names in AI for the first closed-door AI Insight Forum in Washington, D.C. Tristan and Aza were invited speakers at the event, along with Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Sam Altman, and other leaders. In this update on Your Undivided Attention, Tristan and Aza recount how …
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Where do the top Silicon Valley AI researchers really think AI is headed? Do they have a plan if things go wrong? In this episode, Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin reflect on the last several months of highlighting AI risk, and share their insider takes on a high-level workshop run by CHT in Silicon Valley. NOTE: Tristan refers to journalist Maria Res…
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Erik Rasmussen, Global Head of Cybersecurity and Risk Management at Grobstein Teeple LLP, a leading consulting firm offering cybersecurity and business consulting services. They discuss what it means to be a leader in the cybersecurity world, how Erik's secret service and s…
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In the debate over slowing down AI, we often hear the same argument against regulation. “What about China? We can’t let China get ahead.” To dig into the nuances of this argument, Tristan and Aza speak with academic researcher Jeffrey Ding and journalist Karen Hao, who take us through what’s really happening in Chinese AI development. They address …
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In this week's episode of the Future of Cyber Risk podcast, David speaks to Brian Stack, VP of Engineering & Dark Web Intelligence at Experian Consumer Services, which offers online credit reports, scores, and monitoring products. They discuss what Brian's dark web team does in order to protect customer identities, the hurdles they've had to overco…
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