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What if you could live the life you want, not the life you think you should want?What if you approached every day with intention instead of simply going through the motions?What if you woke up feeling alive rather than trying to figure out how to survive?In this podcast, life coach, author, and speaker Ryan Spence (aka #thebiglawdropout) shows how you can do all these things and more! Ryan's mission is to help you gain clarity, boost confidence and build courage so you can live life lit!🔥 An ...
 
Biglaw Book of Business features veteran legal recruiter Robert Kinney, Founder and President of Kinney Recruiting, and David Lat, Editor at Large and Founder of Above the Law. In each episode, these two experts on the world of Biglaw and elite boutiques discuss recent notable lateral moves, take an in-depth look at a specific legal market, and offer advice for current and aspiring partners at leading law firms.
 
Amid a rapidly changing market for legal services, Blacklines & Billables takes a critical look at the cutting edge of legal technology and innovation, as well as law-firm associate success and development. An avid legal technologist and former Biglaw associate in New York and London, host Christian Lang explores the promise—and pitfalls—of an evolving legal and technological landscape with leading practitioners, legal tech founders, and other thought leaders, building upon the conversations ...
 
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The Jabot

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The Jabot

Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It' ...
 
Do you hate working as a lawyer? Are you an unhappy lawyer who wants to leave the law, but isn't sure what to do next? Do your family and friends think you're crazy for wanting to leave the law, or are you too afraid to tell them you don't want to be a lawyer? The Former Lawyer Podcast is for you! Each week, host Sarah Cottrell interviews a different former lawyer who has left the law behind. Hear inspiring stories about how these former lawyers are thriving and found their way to careers an ...
 
Technically Legal is a podcast about legal tech, legal innovation and the impact of tech on the law and legal industry. In each episode we interview an innovator in the legal industry. Guests discuss how technology is changing the practice of law and how they are implementing legal technology and innovation into their legal departments and law firms. The podcast is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and founder of Percipient, a tech-enabled legal services provider. Chad launched Percipient on ...
 
I know so many people who are miserable at their jobs, and they stay miserable -- for a host of different reasons. And I was exactly the same as an attorney at a major law firm until I realized that entrepreneurship was a real and tangible solution for me. "Sunset Provisions" is a bit of a play on words. In a legal document, a sunset provision is the section of the contract that says if a certain event doesn't happen by a specific date, the entire agreement will terminate automatically. And ...
 
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Winding Paths

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Winding Paths

Aaron Shapiro & Joseph Gerstel

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Windings Paths is an exploration of career pivots, something both hosts, Aaron Shapiro and Joseph Gerstel, former big law lawyers are still managing through. In each episode, we’ll sit down with other lawyers who've pursued opportunities outside law firms and legal practice to learn about their journeys. We’ll explore how they got to where they are, what motivated them, how they thought about career risk, and what advice they’d offer to others considering this jump. Join us and discover what ...
 
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Angela Floessel, Global Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Morrison Foerster, discusses the litigation finance program she helped set up permitting MoFo to take good cases it might not otherwise take, secure good results for clients it might not otherwise help and help grow the firm’s bottom line while doing it. Before moving to le…
 
I am so excited to have Janelle Christian as my guest this week. Janelle tells us about her attempts to find her place within different law firm settings, and her ultimate realization that the law was just not for her. She initially launched an interior design firm, which led to people asking her how she started her business, which has ultimately l…
 
Mary Adkins followed her dream of becoming an author after leaving the law. And she knew the law wasn’t for her by the second day. Today she's joining Sarah Cottrell to share her story of leaving Biglaw to become an author and writing coach. There are so many lawyers out there with dreams of being a writer, but they don’t know how or where to begin…
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Imani Maatuka, a Commercial Litigation Associate at Sidley Austin LLP, to talk about Bridging the Gap Scholarship. Imani recalls how what made her decide to follow in the footsteps of her other family members and what the big difference is between what she expected and the reality now that she’s working as a litiga…
 
Who Are The Guests? Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy are the founders of Alcalaw, a women-founded legal consultancy comprised of former federal and state prosecutors who believe that the most effective advocates are those whose legal acumen and depth of experience are matched by their emotional intelligence. Alcalaw provides legal guidance to individua…
 
Overwhelm. That's the subject of this week's show. Or, more specifically, what you can do to cut through the overwhelm and keep it moving. Now, I don't know about you. But when I was in BigLaw, I'd often get into theofficd just feel like I didn't know where to start. There was so much going on, so many competing demands coming at me from different …
 
I used to think that once I pushed past a certain point or the first time I experienced perfectionism and imposter syndrome that that would be it. I'd be good to go and never feel those feelings again But the reality is that entrepreneurs and truthfully just people in general experience perfectionism constantly. As entrepreneurs, we are putting our…
 
Four speakers and a moderator were presenting at a conference. That sounds like the beginning of a joke, but according to the 2022 ILTACon Conference Co-Chair, Martha Breil, that type of conference presentation just won't draw in the next generation of conference attendees. Workshops, hands-on experiences, and interactive presentations are needed f…
 
Today, we’re going to talk about something that comes up for almost anyone who decides to leave the law to do something else, especially those who started in Biglaw. That is the experience of grieving your legal career. Now, that may sound sad, but don't worry. This article won’t be super heavy. But it’s something we need to speak about because gri…
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shana Simmons, a General Counsel at Everlaw, to talk about how her career in the world of law started. Shana leads the legal department and is responsible for all legal, regulatory, privacy, risk and compliance, and governance issues around the company. She describes the transition from working as the Head of Googl…
 
Are you an all-or-nothing type of person? Go hard or go home? That can be great in short bursts and help you push forward, like the turbo boost in a race car. But the thing about an all-or-nothing approach is that over time, it ends up with you doing nothing. Why? Because maintaining that same level of intensity day in and day out over a long perio…
 
Dr. Zoe Johnson has a master's in social work and a Ph.D. in education. Zoe had thoughts about running away from entrepreneurship because she didn't want to have to focus on marketing. However, she eventually realized that she wanted to invest more in children's education. In order to provide that, Zoe had to become an entrepreneur. The key thing Z…
 
This week we have Debbie Reynolds, "The Data Diva," join us to discuss the current state of data regulations, privacy, access, and what's on the horizon for data in the legal industry. Debbie is a 2022 ABA Women in Legal Tech Honoree and the host of The Data Diva Talks Privacy Podcast. According to Debbie, there is exponential growth going on in te…
 
The truth is, the answer to what coaching looks like and who it’s for is much like the answer to most legal questions: it depends. It does. It depends on the coach, their approach, the intended outcome, the timeline, etc. And I know how confusing and unhelpful that can sound. In a world where you’re already lacking clarity and feeling overwhelmed, …
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jessica Martin, a lawyer, and a published novelist, to talk about balancing life as a lawyer, a writer, and having a family. Jessica recalls how she got into the world of law, and how she slowly transitioned from big law to working as an in-house lawyer. She also describes the process she underwent to be a publishe…
 
Growth and transformation are not linear. I recently got a new tattoo representing a caterpillar's change to a butterfly. The tat reminded me of the transformation I've made since leaving BigLaw. But just as a caterpillar can't become a butterfly without going through the messy chrysalis stage, I couldn't make the transformation in my life without …
 
Crypto lawyer Nelson Rosario discuses the legal, regulatory and political landscape of blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. We also get an update from TurnSignl CEO Jazz Hampton about his company’s progress since he was last on the show. Nelson started out as an intellectual property lawyer but caught the crypto bug in law school. His boutique…
 
Entrepreneurship is not always an easy journey, and there can be a lotta hurdles and feelings of not being good enough on the way to creating the business of your dreams. From imposter syndrome to perfectionism to consistency, we're discussing the biggest obstacles to getting your idea off the ground to launched. Addressing these obstacles is so im…
 
Melanie Lippman, a style and image coach, and I co-hosted a webinar last month called Age & Authenticity: Work, Life & Style After 40. It was such a good conversation, I wanted to share it with all of you on the podcast. In this conversation, we discuss: How to embrace, rather than resist, your evolution How to connect with your personal values and…
 
This week's guest, HBR Consulting's Axelle Flemming, stresses that "Intentional Leadership" creates leaders who "own their purpose." And a purpose is separate from a business "goal." Axelle's experience showed her that when a leader truly knew what their purpose was, the purpose they were trying to achieve, they went to that level of execution. In …
 
This particular piece of advice is generally garbage advice for lawyers. The advice in question is, “do what you love.” or “When you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life.” There are so many things that are problematic about this advice, especially for lawyers. Keep reading to learn more about why “do what you love” is garbage advi…
 
How often do you tell yourself that you don't have a choice about something? I used to do it all the time, especially when thinking about leaving BigLaw. I'd say things like: 🚫 I don;t have a choice 🚫 I can't leave 🚫 I'm just stuck here for the rest of my career. 🚫 I've made my bed, and now I have to keep lying in it. Have you ever said these thing…
 
When it comes to the future of legal innovation, Olga Mack of Parley Pro at LexisNexis says that as the legal industry becomes more focused on being a 'service', legal technology will just become part of the overall design of products and services. It will not stand alone as a separate process, but rather legal innovation will be built into product…
 
It is so important to prioritize time for yourself and build the business you're really passionate about even when it's hard, there are other things to do that are here to aid us in accomplishing the goals we have for our business. Your message means so much more than just the logo you slap over a graphic. And in almost every part of building a bus…
 
Around here we talk everything entrepreneurship, and today is no different as I sit down to tell my story of going from Big Law to six-figure side hustler to full-time entrepreneur. We're covering everything from job pivots, how I crushed my 3 year business goals, and advice on creating a business you're passionate about. The journey to entrepreneu…
 
There's just something about back-to-school energy. There's a sense of hope and possibility. And it's a great opportunity to refocus and recommit to the big career changes you've been wanting to make. In this episode, I share some ideas for how you can set yourself up for success and make this the year you get off the carousel of doom in your curre…
 
Are you sick of your job as a lawyer and want to find an alternative career? Have you been searching for a coaching program for lawyers that can support you in that process? If you've been thinking about investing in a coaching program for lawyers or even working with a career coach, then today’s blog post will be helpful. Today I am talking about …
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes back Laura Leopard of Leopard Solutions to talk about their white paper, Women Leaving Law. Laura narrates their experiences writing and running the survey: How depressing it is knowing the reasons why women are leaving the law space and how unfair some firms are to them. She shares how culture affects the work env…
 
In this week's episode, I talk about a conversation with a friend. We were having a conversation and talking about what I've been doing in terms of coaching, the content I've been sharing., and that I'm looking to do more speaking events. And they said I wouldn't want you speaking in my organisation. I laughed! They meant it in the nicest possible …
 
We talk to New York Times Senior Economics Correspondent Neil Irwin about his book, How to Win in a Winner-Take-All World: The Definitive Guide to Adapting and Succeeding in High-Performance Careers. To write the book, Neil interviewed successful employees with companies in various industries–from Microsoft to a company running popular New York Cit…
 
Ellen Freeman immigrated from Odesa, Ukraine, to Pittsburgh almost 30 years ago. And although her family always planned to leave—she grew up learning various languages so that she could communicate wherever they settled—moving to the United States as a young single mother was one of the most difficult things that she has ever done.…
 
On the latest episode of the Former Lawyer, Sarah takes a break from interviewing former lawyers to talk about a realization that many clients have when trying to find the right post-legal career. Something can be simple and still not be easy. While these two words are often used synonymously, they aren’t the same. Not in the case of the process of…
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Alexandra Brodsky, a staff attorney at Public Justice and author of Sexual Justice Supporting Victims, Ensuring Due Process, and Resisting the Conservative Backlash, to talk about the differences between a dog whistle and real concerns with the due process and what the Title IX is. She shares her thoughts on what’s…
 
Let’s talk about balance. Balance is something that comes up a lot when you're working in a high-pressure, high-stress, corporate job. Work-life balance (or the lack of) is often discussed, but have you considered balance more generally? In this episode, I share ⚡️what balance means to me; ⚡️why balance is important; and ⚡️why balance is an ongoing…
 
Have you ever felt like you couldn't be yourself at work? You're not alone, and many have turned to entrepreneurship as a solution. One of these people is my guest Nermin Jasani, a Wall Street lawyer turned business strategist, who discusses everything from redefining productivity to setting yourself up for success in entrepreneurship. Nermin's jou…
 
For the first time ever, we have a guest co-host this week while Marlene wears her fancy sneakers around ILTACon seeking answers to our Crystal Ball question. Katie Brown, Associate Dean for Information Resources at Charleston School of Law is on a mission to increase the teaching of practical technology skills to law students. In her view, law pro…
 
This week, we’re sharing the second part of Sarah’s conversation with her husband and former lawyer, Ed Cottrell. Last week, Ed and Sarah talked about the beginning of his journey into law and some of the events earlier in his legal career. This week, you’ll read about the later half of Ed’s legal career, when he left, and where he is now. They als…
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Danielle Caminiti, a Per Diem Attorney and local counsel for New York Law Firms. With 7 years in a malpractice defense firm, 5 years as a prosecutor, and 2 years in commercial litigation experiences under her belt, Danielle narrates how she went from law school to where she is right now. She shares how she balances…
 
So, I f**kd up a little here. If you've been religiously listening to the show or are a recent binge listener, you'll recognise that I've talked about this subject before! I only realised that after recording the episode! I debated whether I should delete this. But here's the thing, I don't have a perfect marketing strategy for the show. I know wha…
 
Using legal tech to scale a corporate legal department is the topic du jour in Episode 45. The guest: Mel Scott, Senior Legal Counsel for Megaport, a global technology company offering scalable point to point connectivity for public and private cloud connections. Mel is also the host of a great podcast called Counsel about in-house lawyer life. Mel…
 
As Laura Leopard's team at Leopard Solutions was analyzing the 2021 law firm lateral movement data, a glaring statistic stood out. There were a lot of women attorneys leaving AmLaw200 firms, and were not coming back like their male counterparts were. As with any good data expert, Laura worked with her team to find out the reasoning behind this tren…
 
Thanks to nearly two-years of COVID-19-related shutdowns and sheltering-in-place orders, working from home has become the new normal. Face-to-face interactions have been replaced by meeting on real-time videoconferencing platforms such as Zoom, FaceTime or Microsoft Teams, while cloud-based collaborative programs have become absolutely vital if any…
 
Lawyers are under constant stress and pressure yet always have a “this is fine” mentality. “Everything will be fine,” we keep telling ourselves. But, is it really fine? And, is “fine” good enough? This week, you’ll read about Ed Cottrell, a former lawyer and most importantly, Sarah’s husband. Ed had a legal career for 13 years before leaving the la…
 
Are you self-sabotaging? Are you talking yourself out of doing what you want before you've even started? Are you allowing the thoughts, opinions and agendas of others to influence what you do instead of trusting and believing in yourself? Well, now's the time to stop! And in this episode, I tell you how. It will require some unlearning, but it will…
 
Five years ago, Dr. Heidi Gardner, Distinguished Fellow at Harvard Law School and co-founder, Gardner & Co, wrote the book, "Smart Collaboration" where she laid out the "why" behind smart collaboration efforts. In her upcoming sequel, "Smarter Collaboration: A New Approach to Breaking Down Barriers and Transforming Work," Dr. Gardner explains the "…
 
Robert James graduated from Harvard Law School with dreams of becoming governor of Georgia. Robert now runs Carver State Bank, a community bank serving underbanked communities in Georgia and one of only 19 (out of 4,500) black-owned banks in the country. Listen to the story of Rob's winding path from the law to his current position as the president…
 
On the latest episode of the Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah sat down with former lawyer Landis Wade to talk about his journey in leaving the law after practicing for a long time. 35 years, to be exact. In their conversation, Sarah and Landis touched on many common themes on the podcast and in lawyers that are desperate to leave the law. Whether you’r…
 
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Joann Selleck, a mediator from Selleck Mediation, to talk about the ins and outs of being a mediation professional. Joann narrates how she came into the practice area. She cites the qualities a person should have to be a facilitator, as well as why people are handling litigations differently. Joann also describes w…
 
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