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The official podcast of DCBeer.com! This is a show about breweries: the business, the beer, the craftspeople who run them and the drinkers who love them. Join us as we speak with brewers, brewery owners, and all kinds of folks involved in the craft beer scene.
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340B Insight provides members and supporters of 340B Health with timely updates and discussions about the 340B drug pricing program. The podcast helps listeners stay current with and learn more about 340B to help them serve their patients and communities and remain compliant. We publish new episodes twice a month, with news reports and in-depth interviews with leading health care practitioners, policy and legal experts, public policymakers, and our expert staff.
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Every week a featured guest will help to explore a different part of the dynamic beer world. This will allow you to examine the beer world through different lenses. Whether you are new to beer, or a seasoned professional, we will have something for you!
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JC Scott, President & CEO of the Pharmaceutical Care Management Association, discusses the latest trends, public policy developments, and political challenges impacting drug pricing and healthcare. You'll hear the nation's top thought leaders, policy experts, and political analysts on topics like how employers, unions, and others use Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) to drive value for their members in the face of growing healthcare costs. You'll also learn about advancements in gene therapy, ...
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Get ready to dive into the deep end of the beer pool with The DC Beer Show! Belgian beer buffs, take note: Chuck Cook of Drink Belgian Beer (https://drinkbelgianbeer.com) preps us for his trip to Cantillon Zwanze Day in Brussels and corrects Jake's misconceptions about that fine brewing establishment. He might make our Jordan sad with his harsh wor…
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The 340B community has seen major activity on several fronts since the start of 2024 – the introduction of new legislation on Capitol Hill, movement on legislation in the states, and key developments in the courts. 340B Health President and CEO Maureen Testoni returns to the show to help us make sense of these developments and how they might affect…
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Roll out the barrels and pop open those NA brews, because The DC Beer Show hosts are back with an episode that's all malt, hops, and sober sips! Let's dive into episode "Valley Malt: A Grain Changer" with Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, and Jordan Harvey at the helm, sharing their love for barley and bubbles. Our hosts kick things off wit…
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One of the most important elements of 340B compliance is preventing duplicate discounts. Ensuring there are no duplicate discounts is high on the list of compliance concerns for covered entities, and it is one of the major items that 340B auditors look for. But how do these entities ensure they stay compliant? On this episode, we speak to Melissa B…
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Pop the top off your favorite brew and settle in for an enlightening episode of The DC Beer Show, as hosts Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, and Jacob Berg take you on another craft beer journey. We've got all the events coming up in DMV, but today's focus is on the incomparable Dr. J. Jackson-Beckham. In this special session, Mike Stein dives deep int…
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340B hospitals can register certain outpatient locations with the Health Resources & Services Administration (HRSA) as 340B child sites, which allows them to use 340B drugs. HRSA recently announced some changes to how it had been determining this eligibility during the COVID-19 public health emergency. How have these changes affected 340B hospitals…
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Welcome to the latest episode of DC Beer, where hosts Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, and Jacob Berg are joined by the illustrious Jenny Pfafflin of Dovetail Brewery! The crew starts the show with a lively discussion of their current libations, offering tantalizing tasting notes and sharing anecdotes about their favorite brews. As the conversation un…
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The Health Resources & Services Administration audits 200 covered entities each year for compliance with 340B rules. We speak with Mark Capuano, senior director of the corporate pharmacy 340B program at New York City Health and Hospitals, about what hospitals should expect when they find out they will be going through a 340B audit. How a hospital c…
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Buckle up, beer aficionados! In this frothy installment of The DC Beer Show, our jovial hosts Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, and Jacob Berg, along with our esteemed guest LaTreace Harris, take us on a sudsy journey that's as educational as it is intoxicating! Pouring into the conversation, LaTreace spills the hops on her vibrant experiences at Oktob…
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340B sits at an intersection where federal programs and state agencies come together. Maine, Minnesota, and Washington recently enacted new laws requiring hospitals to report 340B information to the states each year. What should health systems know about these new requirements? We speak with Danny Ackert, the director of state government relations …
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Welcome back to The DC Beer Show, where the hosts, Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, and Jacob Berg, sit down with guests Bobby Bump and Courtney Rominiyi to discuss the exciting world of craft beer. This episode, "Moving Black Brews," is a deep dive into collaborations, flavors, and the ever-evolving craft beer scene. The conversation kicks off with B…
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We are returning to a popular episode format we aired early last year, when we consulted with 340B Health’s expert staff to answer your most pertinent 340B questions. As we start another busy year for 340B, we help you prepare for the action by answering your questions about the Genesis court decision, 340B activity in state legislatures, Medicare …
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Pop open a brew and settle in with The DC Beer Show! Special guests Julie Verratti and Jeff Ramirez from Denizens Brewing Co. join in to chat about their love for beer diversity and the return of the Winter Cask Classic. After a hiatus, Brandy returns, sipping and sharing her latest beer indulgences. Michael and Jacob aren't far behind, extolling t…
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In this episode of The DC Beer Show, hosts Michael Stein, Jacob Berg, and Jordan Harvey kick off the New Year with a slew of upcoming events in the local craft beer scene. Jake sits down with Austin Eason and Justin Broady from Strange Fruit Brewing to discuss their rapid growth and collaboration with DC Beer to brew a Hazy Pale Ale with the help o…
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Episode Description: The 340B drug pricing program can produce significant savings that hospitals can invest in more equitable care for underserved patients. What are some of the best ways for hospitals to use their savings in the pursuit of greater health equity? We sit down with Danielle McPherson, the executive director of managed care contracti…
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Welcome back to The DC Beer Show. In this episode, Michael, Brandy, Jacob, and Richard delve into the intersecting worlds of craft beer and culinary finesse with guest Mike Earle. Mike discusses his approach to integrating food flavors directly from beer ingredients, highlighting his love of Sugar Creek Malting's distinctive smoked malts (and every…
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There is a certain level of magic behind beer, in the fermentation alone. Those little yeasty cells are working hard to convert sugar to alcohol and CO2, but what else? Disco parties? Courtney Iseman, a Brookyn-based beer journalist, has recently published a zine: "Beer Tarot: Pulling Cards, Pouring Beer, & Discovering Self." She suggests adding a …
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The past several months have seen several major developments in the world of 340B drug pricing. 340B Health President and CEO Maureen Testoni returns to the show to break down some of the most important recent 340B stories. Landmark Federal Court Ruling on Patient Definition In November, a federal court in South Carolina ruled against the Health Re…
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Welcome back to The DC Beer Show, where we're raising our glasses and diving into the world of craft beer in the DMV. In this episode, we join hosts Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, Richard Fawal, and Jordan Harvey for a lively conversation about brews, breweries, and beer sellers in DC, Maryland, Virginia, and beyond (including Kroger?). …
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The mix of wonderful and hilarious people one meets in the beer world is a marvel. There is no better time to celebrate those friends than Thanksgiving, or a few weeks after. Beer Me welcomes back to the show Carl Crafts, Sam Nellis, and Grant Vaught. We all met working at Birch & Barley/Churchkey in DC and all have gone off into various directions…
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Welcome back to another effervescent episode of DC Beer, where we tap into the heart of the region's craft brew scene! Jacob Berg, joined by our veritable encyclopedia of ale Michael Stein and Papa Beer Richard Fawal, leads us through an episode brimming with insights from the local beer world. We start by checking in with metrobar's John Groth, wh…
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Welcome to another episode of The DC Beer Show. Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, and Jordan Harvey discuss their beverage preferences for Thanksgiving, dive into their favorite brands and types of beverages, and even their plans to find the perfect table beer. The highlight of the episode is, of course, their esteemed guest, Andy Hannas. A…
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In July, Karen Bowling became the new chair of the 340B Health Board of Directors. The West Virginia native is the president and CEO of Princeton Community Hospital and executive vice president of government affairs for West Virginia University Health System (WVU Medicine). In this episode, Bowling discusses her clinical and leadership experience, …
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"What are your hopes and dreams for the American Craft Beer Industry as a whole?" This impossibly hard-to-answer question was asked of three beer industry veterans during a live show, in the rain, during their first hour of the Snallygaster Beer Festival. Beer Me Radio returned to our "recorded live" roots for one special show during Snallygaster b…
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Another great episode of The DC Beer Show this week! Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, and guest host Richard Fawal run through some upcoming events and provide a sneak peek into one of the panels we hosted at Snallygaster. Jake speaks with Jared Pulliam and Anne Cheo from Lost Generation in DC about their 1st Anniversary celebration on November 11, inclu…
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This week we are joined by Amanda Sellers Smith, legal counsel for 340B Health. Amanda tracks and responds to 340B state legislative and regulatory actions. She discusses recent developments in state-based legislation, including 340B reporting requirements, nondiscrimination prohibitions, and bans on drugmaker restrictions. She also looks ahead to …
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Successful collaborations are a hallmark of the brewing industry. There are countless examples of collaborations between breweries, brewers with restaurants, and even brewers with bands. The result of these collaborations is the beer, which is formed through many (MANY!) decisions that lead to the desired result (hopefully). As Beer Me Radio relish…
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We have a jam-packed episode of The DC Beer Show, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of craft beer in the nation's capital. Our hosts, Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, and Jordan Harvey, cover a few key events and recap Snallygaster. First, Jordan sat down with the owners and head brewer of BabyCat Brewery in Kensington, Marylan…
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"It was just a day of horse racing" explains Andreas Krenmair, Beer Author and Historian and most recent guest on Beer Me, as he describes the first Oktoberfest. Austrian-based Andreas has done significant research on the Vienna Lager style and Austrian and German beer & brewing history. Most recently he joined the Beer Me podcast to begin to scrat…
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Centralized distribution models can help health systems streamline day-to-day operations, including mitigating drug shortages, and maximizing contract compliance and efficiency. Jake Olson, 340B pharmacy manager at Froedtert Memorial Lutheran Hospital in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, joins us to discuss how centralized distribution models have operationali…
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Welcome back to another exciting episode of DC Beer, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of craft beer in the nation's capital. We have a fantastic lineup for you in today's episode, with our hosts Michael Stein, Brandy Holder, Jacob Berg, and Jordan Harvey — joined by special guest host Breeze Galindo! We're also joined by special guests…
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Jack's Abby Craft Lagers opened in 2011 in Framingham, MA by three brothers: Jack, Eric, and Sam Hendler. They set out to only produce lagers, in a world of IPAs, and have stayed true to that vision. Rob Day, the VP of Marketing for Jack's Abby, described how Jack Hendler studied brewing in Germany and continues his education in German brewing with…
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Several key developments in 340B-related legislation and regulation have occurred in recent weeks, and more are expected this fall. In this episode, Maureen Testoni returns to the show to give her updates on where 340B stands in Congress, in state legislatures, and with the administration. State Legislation Testoni notes how states such as Arkansas…
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Welcome back to another exciting episode of DC Beer! On today's show, we're diving into the world of the Whelans and their brand-new bottle shop and pub in Potomac Village, Maryland. Join your hosts, Brandy Holder and Jacob Berg, as they chat with Emma and Greg Whelan about their journey in the beer industry and the amazing things happening at thei…
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When boiled down (pun intended) beer is an agricultural product, as is chocolate. This is one of the many similarities between the craft beer and chocolate worlds. Chocolate is produced from the seeds of a fruit that grows on a tropical plant. As with beer, chocolate is also a fermented product, and much like beer, there is craft production and mas…
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340B compliance is essential to the integrity and success of the program, and data management across hospital departments is an essential element of compliance. By implementing data crosswalks, 340B hospitals can achieve greater program compliance and optimization. Anja Wilkinson, 340B program manager at St. Francis Health System in Tulsa, Okla., j…
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Welcome back to another episode of the DC Beer Show! Today's episode has much to cover, including an exciting new event at Solace Outpost Falls Church. We'll also dive into the upcoming Octoberfest events and beer happenings around the DMV area. We'll be joined by Russell Carpenter, head brewer at Solace Outpost in Falls Church, to get the inside s…
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After our last episode, talking beer and cheese pairings with Anne Becerra, we needed more cheese. As one does. And there are so many parallels between beer and cheese, both in the production and storytelling possibilities. This week we welcome to the show, Megan Vaughan, cheese expert and owner of Vaughan Cheese in North Beach, Maryland to discuss…
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The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) was enacted last year, and it includes a significant drug pricing component that will affect 340B savings on some of the drugs that cost the most for Medicare. In this episode, we are joined by Meetali Desai, director of pharmacy business services at UMass Memorial Medical Center, to discuss the impact of the IRA o…
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Welcome back to another exciting episode of the DC Beer Show! We have a lot to cover, so let's dive in. First up, Brandy and Jordan share some of the top events coming up in the DC beer scene, from MegaFest to new releases and, of course, the DC Beer Share. Amber Farris joins us to review Barrel and Flow, Pittsburgh's black-owned beer festival that…
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Almost as ubiquitous as a beer and pretzel, there is the classic pairing of beer with cheese. This pairing is also an excellent gateway into the beer world for those just starting on their beer journey, so we decided to do an episode dedicated to beer and cheese. We welcome Anne Becerra (Cicerone, Speaker, Consultant: annelikesbeer.com) back to the…
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It’s that time of year again when your 340B hospital must go through the annual 340B recertification process. 340B Health’s vice president of pharmacy services Steven Miller joins us to discuss what 340B covered entities need to know about recertification and how to recertify without any errors. How the Recertification Process Works Steve explains …
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With Mike and Jake out, Brandy leads this episode with Jordan and guest hosts Richard Fawal and Matt Splain. They cover upcoming events, the latest Snallygaster reports, and the news about InBev selling off its craft beer portfolio. Then Brandy speaks with Alex Lynch, founder of Mieza Blendery in Alexandria, Virginia, about his unique approach and …
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Cindy Williams has critical advice for anyone wanting to start a career in 340B and pharmacy. Cindy is the vice president and chief pharmacy officer at Riverside Health System in Virginia. In this episode, she walks us through her 340B professional journey over the last three decades, from her initial dreams of having a career in health care to a l…
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In this episode of the DC Beer Show, Papa Beer joins Jake, Mike and Brandy to talk about August events, from the Urban Garden / Red Bear Collab (Peachy Keen) to the Denizens Open House and DC Brau's celebration of Jerry Garcia's birthday. This leads the gang to demand that local breweries start having Steely Dan appreciation days because STEELY DAN…
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Homebrewing has been a topic of discussion many times here on Beer Me, but we haven't had many opportunities to dive into what it looks like to transition from hobbyist to professional. While it is a path that requires tenacity, there are certainly rewarding moments along the way. This week, we welcome to the show Jason Bell, Founder of Living the …
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In this captivating installment, our hosts delve into upcoming craft beer events and some crazy news about Valor Brew Pub. On the lighter side, Jordan chats with Elliott Johnson of Soul Mega about the next Summer beer release and their Second Annual MEGAFEST. On Saturday, July 15, events include the All-American Beer Festival at the Bullpen, the Ol…
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Specialty pharmacy trends have evolved significantly in recent years and even in the past few months. In this episode, Tim Paine, a specialty pharmacy expert who now heads up EPU Healthcare Consulting, dives into specialty pharmacy and its connection to the 340B program. Building off his decades of experience in pharmaceuticals and pharmacy, Tim di…
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Corn has never been given a fair shake. The evils of high fructose corn syrup have been bellowed from every soapbox, the most commonly grown corn is for animal feed, and is generally, not a much-beloved ingredient. This has also been the case in beer. Even as recent as 2019, Bud Light ran an ad during the Super Bowl calling out Coors Light and Mill…
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An increase in drug companies restricting 340B discounts and Capitol Hill action on 340B legislation are among several key recent developments that 340B professionals need to be aware of. In this episode, Maureen Testoni, president and CEO of 340B Health, discusses this activity and what it means for the 340B community. Drug Company Restrictions on…
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