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Public activism on human rights, environmental and indigenous justice, and educational liberation, with an emphasis on politics, culture, and art. Hosted by David Palumbo-Liu and Azeezah Kanji. Website: https://speakingoutofplace.com/
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Formerly afikra's Book Club, this podcast series calls on anyone who is interested in literature from the Arab world to spend time reading along with the entire afikra community and discover some of the best books and writers that came out of the region. We interview Arab authors about books they’ve written in Arabic or English (and sometimes French), and non-Arab authors who have written extensively about the region, delving into their literary journey until present day. We also invite book ...
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Liza Featherstone and Doug Henwood: What to Make of the Democratic Convention?
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Today we speak with journalists and political commentators Liza Featherstone and Doug Henwood about the state of the US Presidential elections. Recorded just after the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, we muse about Kamala Harris’s ascension, her choice of running mate, the strangely abiding popularity of Donald Trump, and the Democratic p…
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US Immigration and Abolitionist Sanctuary: A Conversation with A. Naomi Paik and Arianna Salgado
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Naomi Paik is the author of Bans, Walls, Raids, Sanctuary: Understanding U.S. Immigration for the 21st Century (2020, University of California Press) and Rightlessness: Testimony and Redress in U.S. Prison Camps since World War II (2016, UNC Press; winner, Best Book in History, AAAS 2018; runner-up, John Hope Franklin prize for best book in America…
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How Are Settler Colonialism, Imperialism, and Elitism Baked into the US Constitution? Aziz Rana on The Constitutional Bind: How Americans Came to Idolize a Document that Fails Them
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Today we speak with legal scholar and historian Aziz Rana about his deep study into the ways the Constitution has been critiqued, reimagined, and adapted from liberal, conservative, radical, progressive, decolonial, and other groups since its inception. What emerges from his book is a demystification of a document that is both durable and malleable…
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Priyamvada Gopal and Françoise Vergès on the Recent Elections in Britain and France
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For our snap episode on the snap elections in the UK and France, we're joined by eminent decolonial scholar activists, Françoise Vergès in France and Priyamvada Gopal in the UK. Following the defeat of right wing parties in both countries in the polls, we discuss what's changed with the elections, what hasn't changed, and what should movements, act…
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Diana Buttu and Richard Falk on the Broad Significance of the ICJ’s Ruling on the Israeli Occupation
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Charged by the United Nations General Assembly to ascertain the legality of the continued presence of Israel, as an occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, on July 19th, 2024, the International Court of the Justice, the highest court in the world on matters of international law, determined that “The Israeli settlements in the West B…
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What is Behind the Devastating War and Famine in Sudan?: A Conversation with Dr. Osman Hamdan and Umniya Najaer
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Far too few people know about the terrible war and the massive famine taking place in Sudan. Today learn about the long history behind these events, the people and groups involved, and the roles that foreign governments and international organizations like the IMF have played. Importantly, we learn how civil society groups are bringing a form of mu…
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What Do the June 2024 Elections in India Mean? A Conversation with Angana Chatterji & Siddhartha Deb
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For decades, the works of scholar Angana Chatterji and author and journalist Siddhartha Deb have exposed the violence and fascism lying behind the mythology of India as the world's largest democracy. In the wake of India's most recent elections, in which the far right Hindutva BJP was surprisingly reduced from its former majority to a ruling minori…
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Radical World-Making: A Conversation with Legendary Writer-Organizer-Activist Chris Carlsson
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Today we speak with acclaimed author and activist, and San Francisco legend, Chris Carlsson about his new novel, When Shells Crumble. It begins in December 2024, when the US Supreme Court nullifies the popular vote in the Presidential election and awards the presidency to an authoritarian Republican, who proceeds to demolish democracy and install a…
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My Brother, My Land: A Story from Palestine--A Conversation with Sami Hermez and Sireen Sawalha
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Today we speak with co-authors Sami Hermez and Sireen Sawalha about their book, My Brother, My Land: A Story from Palestine. The eminent Palestinian author Hala Alyan calls it “A breathtaking display of literary prowess that tells the story of an entire homeland through the frame of one woman’s life.” In our conversation Hermez and Sawalha explain …
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The Black Antifascist Tradition--a Conversation with Janelle Hope and Bill Mullen
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Today on Speaking Out of Place we talk with Jeanelle Hope and Bill Mullen about their new book, The Black Antifascist Tradition, which uses a vast set of archival materials to show how Black intellectuals and activists regarded anti-Black racism as inseparable from fascism. This is brought out vividly in the ways the law was constructed, labor was …
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The Story of One Palestinian Family Under Occupation | Sami Hermez & Sireen Sawalha
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Sami Hermez is an anthropologist who teaches at Northwestern University in Qatar. He is the author of "War Is Coming: Between Past and Future Violence in Lebanon" published in 2017. His work in and out of the classroom reflects a strong commitment to freedom, justice, and equality, as his own family's history of migration spans the Levant, with roo…
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The Ongoing Struggle of the Rohingya—Will the World Address this Genocide, Finally?
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As the long burning genocide against the Rohingya continues to unfold with recent conflagrations of violence in Rakhine State, we are joined on Speaking Out of Place today with prominent Rohingya advocate and writer Nay San Lwin and veteran journalist Chris Gunness, now with the Myanmar Accountability Project. They take us through recent disturbing…
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War Regimes: A Conversation with Michael Hardt and Sandro Mezzadra
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Today, on Speaking Out of Place, we are joined by eminent political theorists Michael Hardt and Sandro Mezzadra to talk about their thesis of a global war regime and its relationship with capitalist governments, a significant challenge to dominant conceptualizations of war, and its relationship with the international order. We discuss colonial cont…
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The Student Intifada Spreads--A Conversation with Activists from Columbia U, LSE, and Queen's University, Belfast
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As protests against Israel’s genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing on the West Bank, and apartheid repression within ’48 harden into a proliferation of encampments on US university campuses, still more have popped up across the globe—in Asia, Europe, Mexico, and elsewhere. These encampments have been met with brutal repression as many universities hav…
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The Long Tradition of American Jewish Critiques of Israel and Their Suppression
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As protests against Israel’s geocidal attack on Gaza and increased dispossession and violence on the West Bank grow into encampments that have sprung up across the globe, they have been suppressed by college administrators and national political leaders alike as being anti-Semitic and harmful to Jewish students. The US House of Representatives has …
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Eyeliner: A Cultural History | Zahra Hankir
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This episode was recorded on March 27th, 2024. Zahra Hankir is a Lebanese-British journalist, editor and author. She was awarded a Jack R. Howard Fellowship to attend the Columbia Journalism School and holds degrees in politics and Middle Eastern studies. Her first book "Our Women on the Ground" was a bestseller and won the Susan Koppelman award fo…
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Iran and Israel: A Discussion of the Recent Attacks with Scholars Narges Bajoghli and John Quigley
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Recent weeks have seen a series of strikes between Israel and Iran. Israel's attack on an Iranian embassy building in Damascus, killing seven, followed by Iranian barrage of missile and drone strikes on Israel, killing no one, and then followed by Israeli strikes on Iran in Isfahan all of this occurring, of course, with the continuing unfolding gen…
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Columbia and Beyond: The Surge in Activism for Palestine, the Instrumentalizing of “Safety,” and the Attack on Education by the Far Right
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In the wake of Congressional investigations into a wave of so-called “anti-Semitism” on university campuses, college administrators are bending over backwards to appease Right Wing politicians and wealthy donors at the expense of civil liberties, and free speech and academic freedom protections. They particularly operationalize notions of public sa…
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How US, UK, and Israeli Universities are Punishing Speech on Palestine: A Conversation with Neve Gordon, Laurie Brand, Adi Mansour
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Today on Speaking Out of Place, we have a special extended conversation on the suppression of Palestine solidarity at universities from the U. S. to the U. K. to within Israel itself. We are grateful to be joined by Adi Mansour, a lawyer with Adalah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, Neve Gordon, Professor of Human Rights Law at …
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Noura Erakat and Jeffrey Sachs on Possible Futures for Palestine
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Today on Speaking Out of Place we are joined by Noura Erakat and Jeffrey Sachs in a discussion of possible futures for Palestine. Our conversation includes different stances toward a two-state solution, a discussion of international humanitarian law and the laws of warfare, and a deliberation on the practical steps necessary to stop Israel’s devast…
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Race, Violence, and For-Profit Prison: A Conversation with Robin Bernstein
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Today we speak with Harvard professor Robin Bernstein about her new book, Freeman’s Challenge: The Murder that Shook America’s Original Prison for Profit. While researching a book to develop her earlier interests in race and childhood, Bernstein came across the case of Afro-Indigenous teenager William Freeman, who in the late 19th century was convi…
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Black Geographics with Camilla Hawthorne--histories, futures, and affiliations
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Today we talk with Camilla Hawthorne about her recent edited collection, The Black Geographic: Praxis, Resistance, Futurity, and its relation to her prior monograph, Contesting Race and Citizenship: Youth Politics in the Black Mediterranean. She explains and elaborates on how Blackness is not singular, but involved in “taking place” in imaginative,…
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Imagining a New Left Internationalism Outside the Legacies of the Settler State
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Today on Speaking Out of Place, we have a conversation with critical political theorists Adom Getachew and Ayça Çubukçu on the colonial construction of the international system and its organization around the institution of the nation state. Our conversation covers and uncovers so many aspects of the hidden colonial history behind the constitution …
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Organizing Against A Genocide: Sherene Seikaly & Andrew Ross on National Faculty for Justice in Palestine
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Since October the 7th we have seen an eruption of support for Palestinian liberation. On university campuses we find both the tremendous growth of activism for Palestine, and repressive and punitive measures that seek to discourage and curtail these activities. One of the most important tasks for activists is to organize broad networks of support. …
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Fragmentation and Unity: Palestinian Political Expression
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Today we speak with Professor Amahl Bishara about her book, Crossing a Line: Laws, Violence, and Roadblocks to Palestinian Political Expression. She is joined by Professor Nayrouz Abu Hatoum to discuss the ways that notions of national identity, cultural commitments, and political expression are all complicated when juxtaposing two groups of Palest…
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University of Michigan Faculty Pass Resolution Divesting from Firms Complicit in Gaza Genocide
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In January, the University of Michigan Faculty Senate passed a resolution calling for “the University’s leadership, including the Board of Regents, to divest from its financial holdings in companies that invest in Israel’s ongoing military campaign in Gaza.” The statement highlighted the unprecedented rate of civilian deaths in Gaza, and that Ameri…
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A Palestinian Prisoner's Devastating Memoir: A Conversation with Its Publisher and Translator
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Today we speak with publisher Judith Gurewich and translator Luke Leafgren about a remarkable first-person narrative by Nasser Abu Srour, a Palestinian political prisoner who in 1993 was given a life sentence. His memoir, The Tale of a Wall, tells of the author’s decades-long life in multiple prisons, moving through many historical periods and shif…
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Student Activism for Palestinian Liberation Achieves Landmarks and Educates
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Ever since the beginning of Israel’s genocidal attacks on Gaza, global protests have grown exponentially. This is most evident on the streets, and also, very importantly, on college campuses, where activism for Palestinian liberation have often been met with brutal repression. Chapters of Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace…
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Defund Genocide, Not UNRWA: Global Statements of Support for Palestine
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After the International Court of Justice's finding that Israel's war on Gaza was a "plausible case of genocide," Israel smeared the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees, claiming that four or five UNRWA employees were affiliated with Hamas. These employees were fired without any proof of wrongdoing, and several countries stopping fun…
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The Palestinian Prisoners Movement: Resistance and Disobedience
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Today we speak with scholar Julie Norman about her book, The Palestinian Prisoners Movement: Resistance and Disobedience. She is joined in conversation by her colleague and collaborator Amahl Bishara. Based on extensive interviews with Palestinian prisoners, Norman’s study delineates in detail and depth the centrality of the movement in the broader…
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What Does the Recent ICJ Finding with Regard to Israel's War in Gaza Mean? A Discussion with Noura Erakat, Michael Lynk, and Maung Zarni
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Today, on Speaking Out of Place, we discuss the recent International Court of Justice ruling on the Gaza genocide case, which found that Israel is plausibly engaging in genocide in Gaza. We discuss the case and its implications, as well as the colonial backdrop of the international law behind it, with former UN Special Rapporteur on Palestine Micha…
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Listening to & Being with the Earth: A Conversation with John Borrows & Paco Calvo
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Plants show signs of communication and of learning. They produce and respond to many of the same neurochemicals as humans, including anesthetics. They share resources with one another, and when under threat, emit signals of warning and of pain. Today on Speaking Out of Place, we are joined in conversation with eminent Anishinaabe legal theorist Joh…
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Fighting the Fossil Fuel Companies' Pseudo-Economics: A Conversation with Ben Franta
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Today I speak with noted researcher and scholar Ben Franta about two new articles he has written that add to his growing archive of seminal work on climate change. Ben tells us now the fossil fuel industry paid economists to join scientists in denying the true nature of the fossil fuel industry’s destruction of the environment. Economists argued th…
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Artists, Activists, and Anarchists Seize Wetlands from the French Republic: We Learn How
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Today on Speaking Out of Place, we talk with artists and activists Isabelle Frémaux and Jay Jordan about their book, We are ‘Nature’ Defending Itself: Entangling Art, Activism and Autonomous Zones Vagabonds/Pluto/Journal of Aesthetics & Protest, 2021. They tell the story of a 40-year struggle to preserve 4,000 acres of wetlands from being destroyed…
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Kohei Saito Talks About Degrowth Communism, and the Need for Radical Democracy
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Today we speak with Japanese philosopher Kohei Saito, whose book, Marx in the Anthropocene , sold over half a million copies. In it, Saito shows how late in life Marx came to a richer sense of production when he realized that there was a law above the economic as he had conceived it—it was the law of Nature. Marx saw how disturbing Nature’s metabol…
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Genocide and Beyond: A Conversation with Omer Bartov & Penny Green
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For weeks, hundreds of international law and genocide experts have been warning that the situation in Gaza is approaching or has become an active genocide, a conclusion very vociferously rejected by Israel and its allies. Today on Speaking Out of Place, we are joined by state crime expert Penny Green and Holocaust historian Omar Bartov to discuss t…
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International Law and Mass Violence: Colonial Roots and Practices
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Today on Speaking Out of Place, we are joined by Frédéric Mégret, Neve Gordon, and Nicola Perugini. As the devastation of Gaza is permitted to continue to unfold, and colonial violence also intensifies in the West Bank, we discuss the role and responsibility of international law in enabling and structuring mass violence, the enduring importance of …
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Linking Antifascist Solidarity & Solidarity with Palestine--Guernica and Gaza
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Today’s conversation is perhaps one of the most unusually important ones we have had on the podcast. Len and Hwei-ru Tsou are two Taiwanese activists whose main commitment, over a period of decades, has been to discover and disclose the involvement of Asian and South Asian anti-fascists in the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. Not…
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21 Voices from South Africa and Israel-Palestine Working for Palestinian Liberation
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Today I talk with Marthie Momberg, whose book 21 Voices from Israel and South Africa: Why the Palestine Struggle Matters, compiles interviews Momberg conducted over many years. Her interviewees are Israelis and South Africans who have followed different paths to become activists for Palestine. The 21 voices speak about this connection, but about ma…
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The Moral Imperative to Divest: Conversation with Bill McKibben and Caroline Levine
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Today we speak with legendary climate activist Bill McKibben and scholar Caroline Levine. McKibben relates his long struggle to get companies to divest from fossil fuels and for the world in general to act immediately to seriously and substantially address this existential crisis. Levine tells of her efforts to get the giant pension fund, TIAA-CREF…
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On International Children's Day 2023, A Discussion of Childhood in Gaza: Law, History, and Politics
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We recorded this episode of Speaking Out of Place on Saturday the 18th of November, 2023, as Israel’s massive attack on Gaza passed the 40-day mark. Almost immediately after the deadly October 7 Hamas attack, the image of the child, both Israeli and Palestinian, began to dominate the media’s coverage, and appeals to international humanitarian law w…
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Writers' & Artists' Statements & Readings in Solidarity with Palestine
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This is a special project of Speaking Out of Place, meant to collect and amplify the voices of artists, musicians, and publishers from around the world raising their voices in solidarity with the people of Palestine. We will add to this episode as statements come in. Here you will hear James Schamus, Ben Ehrenreich, Judith Gurevich, Raja Shehadeh, …
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Statements Read at "Warning to Humanity" Global Event: David Palumbo-Liu, Neferti Tadiar, Chloe DS
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On Saturday 4th November, 2023, leading scholar activists, anti-genocide campaigners, human rights defenders, and musicians from 20 countries, as well as Rohingya refugees joined Palestinians from the West Bank as a global online show of support for the 2.3 million residents of Gaza, who are currently under Israel’s genocidal onslaught perpetrated …
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"In This Moment": Noura Erakat's Speech at the Palestine Literature Festival
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On Wednesday, 1 November, the Palestine Festival of Literature held an event in New York titled, "But We Must Speak: On Palestine and the Mandates of Conscience." On that occasion, Noura Erakat delivered a powerful and stunning speech entitled “In This Moment,” in which she spoke on the genocide in Gaza from her perspective as a teacher, a legal ex…
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A Palestinian Meditation in a Time of Annihilation: A Conversation with Fady Joudah
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Today we speak with Palestinian American poet and physician Fady Joudah. We are recording this interview on Thursday, November 2, 2023, as the State of Israel expands its brutal and illegal collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza—an act of genocidal ethnic cleansing. Health authorities in Gaza report more than nine thousand deaths in a popula…
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Black Scare/Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racism with Charisse Burden-Stelly
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Today we talk with the prolific and wide-ranging scholar Charisse Burden-Stelly about her new book, Black Scare/Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racism in the United States, just out from the University of Chicago Press. The book shows the emergence and conjuncture of two strands of discourse and practice that were used to suppress Blacks in the Un…
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How Uber et al. is Redefining Work in the Worst Way Possible: Veena Dubal Explains Algorithmic Violence
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How have companies like Uber and Lyft, Instacart and DoorDash and others, changed the nature of work from bad to horrific? Veena Dubal joins me to explain how such companies have exported globally a technique of algorithmic wage discrimination that pays workers based on data to which they have no access. Owners dangle bonuses before workers but tak…
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Statements of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
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In response to the attacks launched against the Palestinian people in Gaza by the State of Israel, on Oct 12 Speaking Out of Place created a special episode on Gaza with legal experts Diana Buttu and Richard Falk. We did so with the aim to address and correct the proliferation of misinformation that the mainstream press was spewing out. We also sol…
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When “Natives” Aren’t: Liza Black and Joseph Pierce Discuss the Epistemic and Communal Violence, and Re-storying
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Today we talk with Joseph Pierce and Liza Black about the vast number of questions that are opened up when people pretend to be Native when they in fact are not. These cases take on a specific significance when such false identifications allow these people access to privilege and positions of authority. When these falsehoods are found out, they pla…
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Legal Experts Deconstruct Media Lies about Gaza; Voices from Around World Shout Out Solidarity with the Palestinian People
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The volatile situation in Gaza has been grossly distorted in the mainstream western press. By omission, selective editorializing, and misstatement of so-called “facts,” a particular caricature has emerged that has invisibilized the Palestinian people, the history and the nature of the Occupation, and the actual conditions of life in what many have …
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