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Beyond the Pale is a subversively sincere exploration of God, faith, life and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who finds more fulfillment in the journey than in the destination and doesn't mind coloring outside the lines a bit! Join us each week as we travel on pilgrimage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy say ...
 
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Actor Jason Tobin who stars in the hit TV show Warrior sits down with Steve & Tammy to share his acting journey; the highs, the lows, the frustrations, the lucky breaks, and the perseverance that helped get him to where he is now. Along the way Jason shares what it was like to grow up in Hong Kong, the power of a teacher to inspire, his love of Sto…
 
Long time friend Kit Tso shares a meal with Steve & Tammy and with the help of a little Scotch and Irish whiskey discuss faith, humanity, God, and the advantages of bringing "reason" into one's spiritual journey. Along the way Kit shares some funny anecdotes of riding a motorcycle from London to Belfast! Go Beyond the Pale with Kit Tso! Episode Ind…
 
Gary Brightman is a Hong Kong based writer and filmmaker who shares his story of turning some of the dreams into realities. Dreams like moving to Hong Kong, attending film school, making documentaries, and finally opening Vibe, the coolest used book and vinyl record store in the city. Go Beyond the Pale with Gary Brightman! Episode Index: 1:33- (In…
 
Vernon Pitout is an entrepreneur and business coach who has been a friend of Steve & Tammy for many years. On today's episode they reminisce on their spiritual journeys, discuss the pros and cons of leaders with a vision, and explore some of the challenges the church faces in the 21st century. Go Beyond the Pale with Vernon Pitout! Episode Index: 1…
 
Lori Marty has had a long journey. Growing up in a Pentecostal home she went on to become a missionary to Pakistan and eventually a Vice President at Word Entertainment, one of the largest Christian music companies in the world. However it was these experiences, along with others she shares that forced her to seriously re-examine her faith. In the …
 
Kevin Miller is a screenwriter and filmmaker whose works encompass a number of documentaries including "Expelled" with Ben Stein and the film "Hellbound" which examined various Christian perspectives on the notions of hell. On today’s episode Kevin shares with Steve & Tammy about his faith Journey as well as his newly released documentary J.E.S.U.S…
 
Alia Eyres holds a Juris Doctorate from the Georgetown University Law Centre and a Bachelor of Arts in International Affairs from the George Washington University, where she was also a member of the NCAA Division 1 Women’s Rowing Team. She shares with Steve & Tammy her journey that led her out of the world of corporate law to become the director of…
 
In this episode we catch up with Ojo Taylor, formerly of the Christian punk band Undercover. Join us as we discuss pretty much everything from sin and ethics, to whether America can still be the bulwark of stability it has been in the past. Along the way Ojo questions whether Christians should be promoting a God that requires a blood sacrifice in o…
 
Educator and Bible teacher Jonathan Mellen shares how adversity has shaped his attitude and approach to life. Along the way he shares his story of being a "missionary kid" whose Christian faith now continues to grow in ways he hadn't expected Go Beyond the Pale with Jonathan Mellen! Episode Index: 1:03- (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss Rob Bell, why J…
 
Author, teacher, and monastery preacher Brad Jersak joins us to discuss his new book and how Christianity can recapture a more "Christ-like" identity. Along the way Brad shares his own journey and the struggles that have shaped his understanding that God is always loving and on our side. Go Beyond the Pale with Brad Jersak! Episode Index: 1:05 - (I…
 
Beyond the Pale celebrates it's 100th episode by sharing the journey of David Hayward aka "the Naked Pastor". David is a former pastor turned cartoonist whose satire and critique of Christian culture has helped many Christians around the world re-think what following Jesus might actually look like. Along the way David shares his own story that we k…
 
Australian Brett Moore is an International lawyer who shares his journey of being involved with the Christian Charismatic movement, leaving the legal world for a time to attend Fuller Seminary, and eventually finding his faith land in the Episcopal (Anglican) Church. Along the way Brett opens up about his own experiences of being a victim as a youn…
 
Emily Eldridge is an International artist whose murals and illustration work have taken her to places as far away as Hong Kong, Barcelona, and Berlin. She shares with Steve & Tammy some of the struggles as well as the joy that has come from following her artistic passion. Along the way Emily discusses her faith and how that has shaped her on the jo…
 
In Part 2 of our talk pastor and author Derek Vreeland discusses what it means to "Practice Resurrection", how his own faith has matured over the years, and then gives some advice to Christians who are deconstructing their beliefs. Along the way Derek shares three books that has helped shape his faith on the journey! Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale…
 
Pastor Derek Vreeland joins us to discuss his new book "By the Way" where he unpacks the idea of discipleship and shares some things he's learned on his journey that could help you "Follow Jesus" Go Beyond the Pale with Derek Vreeland! Episode Index: 1:21 - (Intro) Steve & Tammy share a bit on the Old Testament and how to navigate it 15:49 - Interv…
 
What happens when patriotism runs amok? When it goes from something good and positive into something twisted and a little weird. My brother Andrew Hackman explains "fetish" patriotism and why its not helping a world that could use a little help right now. Go Beyond the Pale with Andrew Hackman! Episode Index: 1:48: (Intro) Tammy’s Birthday at our f…
 
My brother Andrew returns to the show to discuss a number of topics including social media, faith, and how "loving your enemy" works even if you don't believe in God. Along the way we'll also talk about how to engage those weird, uncomfortable Bible bits. Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Andrew Hackman! Episode index: 2:05 (Intro) Steve and Tam…
 
Tony Bottagaro is an award winning playwright, author, filmmaker, and speaker who serves as Special Advisor on National and International Affairs to the Chamber of the Americas. Tony shares with Steve & Tammy how the message of God's Love has shaped his journey and given him the opportunity to address the United Nations, officials at the Pentagon, …
 
In Part 2 of our interview, Kristian Holmes shares his ongoing journey as he and his wife forge a new path of relationship with God outside the normal church structures. Along the way we discuss the Holy Spirit, embracing Mystery, and why you can't "un-see" what you have seen. Go Beyond the Pale with Kristian Holmes! Episode Index: 1:07 (Intro) Ste…
 
Kristian Holmes shares of his journey that took him out of a trajectory towards senior church leadership. When an understanding of what Christ had done unraveled his grace vs. law paradigm, he and his wife had no choice but to blaze a new trail outside the church structure and the security, financial stability, and identity it had provided. Along t…
 
Today on the program my guest is Phil Rose who is an international speaker and author who has taught at a number of Canadian universities. He’s the author of a new book called “Radiohead: Music for a Global Future.” We discuss his book, how historical events influence the band and their music, and why it’s important to analyze a song’s lyrics even …
 
Brian Zahnd returns to share with us topics from his new book Postcards from Babylon: The Church in American Exile. Along the way Brian discusses why so many American Christians have traded "the Way of Jesus" for religious nationalism as well as explaining to Tammy what "the Satan" actually is. Go Beyond the Pale with Brian Zahnd! Show Notes: 1:42:…
 
Brian and Peri Zahnd return to share with us their pilgrimage on the Camino Portuguese; the 160 mile adventure running through Portugal and ending at the cathedral in Santiago de Compostela in Spain. Along the way they share stories we hope will inspire you to perhaps walk your own Camino one day. Go Beyond the Pale with Brian & Peri Zahnd!…
 
Efren Gonzalez is a travel vlogger and filmmaker whose Youtube videos chronicling his journeys have been an inspiration and valuable resource for those planning their own pilgrimage. On today's episode Efren shares some "tales from the trail" including his most recent adventure across Europe on the Via Francigena. Go Beyond the Pale with Efren Gonz…
 
Steve Hackman is the musical mind behind the compelling production Brahms Vs. Radiohead which fuses together Brahms’ First Symphony with Radiohead’s seminal album OK Computer. We discuss the vision behind the project, Steve’s passion for both classical and popular music, and how it’s helping not only bridge the gap between musical generations and e…
 
Author, blogger, and podcast host Keith Giles shares a journey that led him away from the traditional church pulpit to planting a house church that gave away ALL money collected to the poor. No salaries, no building, not even for the Sunday morning coffee and donuts. Along the way Keith discusses Biblical inerrancy, Hell, and how he became co-host …
 
Tammy and I traveled to England to attend the "Progressing Church" weekend as members of the online community gathered at St Luke’s Anglican in the city of Bournemouth. Over meals, music, poetry and talks we encouraged one another in our faith in Christ. Rob Grayson, one of the admins for "Progressing Church" sits down to unpack the weekend with us…
 
Robert Jonas has seen Radiohead a whopping 28 times dating all the way back to 1993. We discuss some of his favorite concert moments over the years, why Thom Yorke dragged him onto a tour bus over a T-shirt, a hand written letter Robert received from Thom during The Bends sessions, and some tips on attending shows yourself. Near the end of the epis…
 
Maybe its because we are both Americans but in Pt 2 of our talk with Jon Bryant we discuss the polarising intersection of faith and politics in America today and whether Jesus can provide a "third way" to navigate between Democrat, Republican, Liberal, or Conservative. Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Jon Bryant! Show Index: 1:30: Intro with St…
 
Steve Hamilton performed Saxophone on Radiohead's multi-platinum album, Kid A. We dive deep into what it was like recording and performing The National Anthem with the members Radiohead, and other elements of Steve's career such as being a touring professional saxophone player, and scoring for film. This musically-dense episode is sure to be a favo…
 
In Part 2 of our talk with lawyer, educator, and filmmaker Marylou Verberne we talk about the challenges facing the church today in face of a renewed expectation of transparency and accountability. Does the church need a #metoo movement to stem chronic abuse and manipulation? Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Marylou Verberne!…
 
Marylou Verberne is in many ways a Renaissance woman. She is skilled in just so many fields including law, education, and the dramatic arts including creating powerful performance art that have wowed audiences at International Fringe festivals in her native Australia . In Part 1 of our conversation Marylou shares about her early Christian experienc…
 
Tammy and I are joined by my brother Andrew who is back for a special Christmas episode of Beyond the Pale. As a former Evangelical Christian turned atheist Andy gives some of his thought provoking perspectives on the holiday season. And can you have a family holiday discussion without the conversation turning political? Join us as we spend a littl…
 
Live from the Britons Protection pub in Manchester England we continue our talk with Steve Priest and follow his journey in finding God not "out there" but in community with other people. Along the way we discuss the impact of Peter Rollin's Wake Festivals and the dynamics produced when we form Temporary Autonomous Zones! Get Ready to go Beyond the…
 
What happens when you sincerely look for God...and He doesn't show? When you seek but don't find and knock and no one answers? Steve Priest shares his journey of looking to have a relationship with God he perceived others to have but couldn't seem to experience himself. What starts as a journey of frustration becomes much more alive as Steve begins…
 
Steve shares with Tammy as well as friends Mark & Christine Cattanach about his recent pilgrimage walking 1000 miles from Canterbury England to Rome Italy. Along the way he tells the stories of good people, changed hearts, and a few lessons learned. Also what it is like to trust in "the Camino to provide". Get ready to go Beyond the Pale with Steve…
 
From Covent Garden in Central London I continue my conversation with theologian and philosopher Barry Taylor. Barry delves into how culture shapes our beliefs and faith...and even shares how the difference between C.S. Lewis' "Narnia" and J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter" is reflected in the changing theology and culture of our times. Get Ready to Go B…
 
Barry Taylor has come a long way since travelling backstage with the rock band AC / DC. Since those early days touring his journey has taken him from arena concerts, to exploring philosophy, encountering Christianity, becoming a church leader, and finally to a place where "something doesn't feel right". Barry then unpacks how his faith deconstructi…
 
Singer - Songwriter Tom Read returns to Beyond the Pale to share the story behind his new record "Lament" and how that emotion has expressed itself in his Christian journey recently. We also chat with Tom about the recent Royal Wedding as well as an anecdote or two from his recent performance live for HRH Queen Elizabeth ll. Get Ready to go Beyond …
 
Adam Benner returns to Beyond the Pale to talk about what the Kingdom of God is and what it means for followers of Christ today in the here and now. Is it just a place where God rules in the "here after"? To what degree does it have ramifications for followers of Christ in this life? Steve also gives an update as he walks the 1000 mile "Via Francig…
 
Most fans would agree that OK Computer and beyond represents the band's best work, but have you ever stopped to consider why this is from a musical perspective? Today on the podcast I'm joined by Brad Osborn, who is the author of a book called "Everything In Its Right Place: Analyzing Radiohead." We discuss the band's creative use of song forms, mu…
 
If you’ve ever tried to learn a Radiohead song on Guitar, you probably learned it on YouTube, and probably from Warren Lain’s YouTube channel called “Warren Music.” Warren has over 30 thousand subscribers, but is perhaps best known for his viral analysis of Videotape that received over 5 million veiws. Today, we get to know a little about Warren’s …
 
Hi I’m Sean Perrin, host of OK Podcast, the show where i dive deep into the musical and cultural impact of the world’s greatest band, Radiohead. I’ll be speaking with authors, intellectuals, musicians, and even everyday fans about what the band’s music means to them, as well as its importance on the international stage. Hopefully will one day even …
 
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