Liz Fong-Jones


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“We have to stand up for what’s right and we have to do that in an intersectional way. We can’t just stand up for our selves, we have to build that solidarity. We don’t have the numbers alone. If we work together we can actually accomplish change.” Liz Fong-Jones is a developer advocate, labor and ethics organizer, and Site Reliability Engineer (SRE) with 15+ years of experience. She is an advocate at for the SRE and Observability communities, and previously was an SRE working on products ranging from the Google Cloud Load Balancer to Google Flights. She lives in Brooklyn with her wife, metamours, and a Samoyed/Golden Retriever mix, and in San Francisco and Seattle with her other partners. She plays classical piano, leads an EVE Online alliance, and advocates for transgender rights as a board member of the National Center for Transgender Equality. Show Resources: Liz's Website National Center for Transgender Equality Transgender Law Center Meet Demma Rosa Rodriguez, Head of Equity Engineering at Google A Trans Woman Was Charged With 'False Personation' for Giving the NYPD Her Real Name The NAACP Statement On the North Carolina Legislature's HB2 Repeal Proposal Posture Magazine Transcript: Kim Crayton: 00:00 Today's episode is supported by Tito. Tito is a design-led event software that makes it super easy to manage tickets for events. The product aims to be clean, simple and intuitive to use while the business aims to be sustainable at the go, driven by people and principles rather than growth at all costs. To learn more, visit their website at n/a: 00:24 [music] Kim Crayton: 00:42 Welcome to the #causeascene podcast, the show focused on the strategic disruption of the status quo in technical organizations, communities and events. n/a: 00:53 [music] Kim Crayton: 00:55 Hello everyone and welcome to today's episode of the #causeascene podcast. My guest today is someone I've been watching and following and have been admiring for a while, so I'm really excited about having her on the show. So I'll let her introduce herself. Liz Fong-Jones: 01:09 Hi, I'm Liz Fong-Jones and I am a developer advocate, Site Reliability Engineer, and an advocate for employee rights and for ethical product design. Kim Crayton: 01:21 So we're going to start this right off. And so could you tell me why is it important to cause a scene and how are you causing a scene, Liz? Liz Fong-Jones: 01:28 I think it's important to cause a scene because the status quo is just not working for some people. And I think that we have to make sure that the world is more fair and that means that we have to disrupt the status quo. And the way that I'm disrupting the status quo, in part, is if you all saw the Google Walkout from last November when 20,000 Google employees and contractors walked out of the Google offices worldwide to protest sexual harassment. What I want to see is I want to see more of that. And in order to see more of that, it means that people that don't necessarily feel safe or supported to go on strike can go on strike, right? The people that uh, are on H-1B visas, people that are contractors who are afraid that their bosses are going to retaliate against them, right? Like all of these groups of people can't necessarily easily engage in industrial action. And that's something I want to support. So I actually donated my last paycheck from Google, uh, in order to start a fund, which is going to help workers at tech companies, specifically Google, including the contractors and vendors,

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