What boards think about cybersecurity, how we can speak their language and what's the one thing we shouldn't do in the board room - with Jason Wilk


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  • Louisa has a cartoon to describe that she saw on the Cyber Security Hub via LinkedIn (link to original cartoon in the research links below)
  • Beverley thinks it's timely, and a perfect lead in for our guest today.
  • Beverley has a quote from Warren Buffett, and everybody's got a load of respect for Warren Buffett. He says we are on in uncharted territory by not having the right cyber security skill sets in every boardroom. companies and their boards have set themselves up for failure, it's almost guaranteed, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
  • Louisa wonders if we get our time in the boardroom, how do we possibly convey the right information that the board needs in that just that few minutes that we get if we get it? And how do we make sure that we understand what they're thinking and what they need from us.
  • Beverley thinks we've made a lot of assumptions about what boards want to talk about and what they're interested in. The reality is, we like to think, because we see cyber risk as so important we'd love to think that we're one or number two, and here was an article last year that said we're in the top five subjects. she is not sure if that's true and is hoping that our guest today is going to shed some light.
  • Louisa Is so confident he'll be able to do that - Jason Wilk, will be joining us and he has got one foot in the boardroom and one foot in cyber security. So she can't think of anybody better qualified to come and talk to to us about what boards need from us, and how we can better engage with them on on cyber security.

The unedited transcript of the chat with Jason Wilk courtesy of otter.ai can be found via our website: https://www.cybersecuritycafe.com.au/transcript-jason-wilk-chat


  • Beverley unpacks whether we can apply occupational health and safety to cybersecurity awareness programs and shares some insights on when she had tried this
  • Beverley acknowledges there is a lot to learn from occupational health and safety and that it is great place for us to take some learnings
  • Louisa was struck by Jason's advice that we should be careful not to talk about a 'cyber culture' with boards but that it doesn't mean this term and the work relating to it is not valuable outside of the board room
  • Beverley notes we should ensure we align our cyber behaviours to an organisations culture overall

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Guest: Jason Wilk
Hosts: Beverley Roche and Louisa Vogelenzang https://www.cybersecuritycafe.com.au/co-hosts
Producer/Editor: Louisa Vogelenzang
Sound Producer: Darcy Milne (Propodcastproduction.com)

Roger Schillerstrom cartoon original article link (cartoon reposted by The Cybersecurity Hub on LinkedIn): https://www.pionline.com/article/20170123/PRINT/301239998/get-real-on-cybersecurity

Security in Depth ‘State of Cyber’ 2019 research on only 2/3 of Australian businesses having a cybersecurity professional on staff https://securityindepth.com.au/stateofcyber


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