108: Adulterated Heavy Cream, Keto Detox Lymph Node Effects, Herb & Adaptogen Side Effects And More!


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Non-Organic Meats To Avoid, Reactive Hypoglycemia, Swelling Lymph Nodes From Keto Detox, Additives In Heavy Cream, and Herb & Adaptogen Side Effects are just some of the news stories and listener questions that hosts Jimmy Moore and Dr. Will Cole discuss in episode 108.


Hot Topics from the news:

1. What are the best quality sources of fat to consume so I don’t end up eating a stick of butter everyday? 2. How can you deal with carb cravings that still exist despite lots of fat and protein that is supposed to diminish those cravings? 3. Are higher ketones of 3.0+ necessary for the therapeutic brain health benefits to truly kick in? 4. Is it possible to experience good health from eating a zero-carb, high-fat, meat-based carnivore diet? 5. Does it matter if you spread out your ketogenic meals into 2-3 meals vs. just one meal a day?


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9: Do the mono and diglycerides as well as the carrageenan found in heavy whipping cream impact ketone production or are dangerous to your health?

Your Questions:

1. Do the additives found in some brands of heavy cream inhibit ketosis, and are they potentially harmful?

Hey Jimmy and Will,

I made the ketogenic lifestyle change over a year ago and my A1c has dropped down from 6.2 to 5.4. I listen to Keto Talk every week and you guys have trained me to look closely at ingredient labels. I eat a lot more heavy cream and my question for you today has to do with the mono and diglycerides as well as the carrageenan that are added to heavy whipping cream. Some people claim these are harmless and others say they are horrible. What I want to know is, do they mess with ketosis? Are they dangerous to your health in any way? I appreciate your feedback on this one.



3. Are there certain non-grass-fed/organic meats that should absolutely be avoided if you are pursuing healthy ketosis?

Hi Jimmy and Dr. Cole,

I've just read Dr. Cate Shanahan's book Deep Nutrition and now I'm baffled as what to eat on a ketogenic diet (from a safe and healthy perspective). I simply can't afford grass-fed beef. I can only get it at a health food store and it's way too expensive for me. I normally shop at Costco and Sobey’s grocery store. I buy pork only from humanely-raised brands. That’s really the only feasible healthy meat choice for me to consume. I buy organic whenever I can. I like beef liver, beef heart, and chicken liver, but they don't ever come from grass fed or even organic sources. What would you advise to NOT eat at all amongst these non-grass-fed/organic choices for meat? What should I be eating on my keto plan that is very healthy that maybe I’m not thinking about? How do I stay on budget in my finances while pursuing optimal health through nutritional ketosis? I've heard some say you need to do the best you can, but I really want to know which foods to avoid if you can't get the good quality.

Thank you guys, I love what you do,



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4. Could the detoxification that takes place from eating keto cause the lymph nodes to swell temporarily until things calm down in the body?

Dear Jimmy and Will,

My question for you guys is about the lymph nodes. Is it possible, since the lymphatic system is a filtering process, that swollen lymph nodes after going keto could be the result of the change in your diet? When you switch over to keto, your body does a natural detox, right? So is it feasible that swollen lymph nodes could be the result of this detoxification and given some time and a few adjustments, such as more water and possibly a lymphatic massage, they could go down on there own without any medical intervention? I understand that it probably depends on how swollen they are along with other factors. I was just curious if my hypothesis could be true?

Thanks for all you do and all the great information you both bring to the world that we may not otherwise get.



4. Why did I experience reactive hypoglycemia after eating a ketogenic meal?

Hey Jimmy and Dr. Cole,

I’m a big fan of you guys and four days into eating keto. I feel like I’m starting to get the hang of this and wanted to run something by you. I ate the following food a couple of days ago: one medium avocado, two eggs over easy, two Italian sausages, 3 tablespoons of sour cream, and 3 tablespoons of Kerrygold grass-fed butter. After consuming this food, I almost immediately felt flush, dizzy, and off. I started researching Dr. Google and it looks like I had reactive hypoglycemia. Is this normal on a ketogenic diet or what did I do wrong? Interestingly, I had a fatty coffee and pastrami with cream cheese today and didn’t have any of those same symptoms from he other day. Could it be the extra fat in my meal today compared to the other day? Thanks for the advice on this one.


5. Are there concerns that medicinal herbs and adaptogens can play a negative role in a patient’s health much in the same way as a pharmaceutical drug?

Hey Jimmy and Will,

I listen to you guys all the time and Will I hear you talk about various herbs and adaptogens that you’ve found useful in your clinical practice for your patients basically every week. You also talk about the side effects that come from prescription medications. As a fellow medical practitioner, I see both herbs and pharmaceutical drugs as basically extra chemicals substances that you are adding to a patient’s body in the hopes of eliciting a helpful or healing response. All these extra chemicals and compounds, whether food/plant based OR pharmaceutical based, potentially can interact with each other in very bad ways.

In the hospital where I work, I’ve seen examples of herbs causing liver and bleeding problems and interacting with other medications. The word “natural” does not particularly reassure me; cocaine, toxic mushrooms, poison ivy, and castor beans are all natural and they are also all noxious. A lot of the pharmaceuticals we use (penicillin, digitalis, the list goes on and on) are basically purified natural products. Pharmaceuticals, at least in theory, have to go through a rigorous testing process including ruling out the very powerful placebo effect.

My problem is that herbs and such don’t have to go through that same scrutiny before being made available to the general public. We really have no idea what the dosage of the active ingredient(s) might be from bottle to bottle, brand to brand, of all these herbs, do we? I’ve been low-carb, high-fat, ketogenic for the past five years, was a featured success story in Keto Clarity, have been on Jimmy’s podcast, and teach at an Osteopathic medical school now. I certainly have no objection to herbs, adaptogens, and other natural health supplementation and would never support banning them. But just how well tested are they?

Thanks again for a great show! You made this medical doctor think and that’s a good thing.

Dr. Jim Small


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