Nutrition Experts Podcast Episode 15 Always Have Emergency Food with Kelly Morgan

Nutrition Experts Podcast

Kelly Morgan, Ph.D., a health and fitness professional and motivation expert, owns Tsirona health coaching where she helps busy women determine the most efficient and effective ways to reach their health goals without wasting time and money. She believes in a world where women are in charge of their own health goals, and it is her mission to guide these women to live purposely and intentionally healthy lives that match their goals. She has recovered from anorexia, gained too much weight in a time of stress, and lost the weight to get to a happy place, finally.

Dr. Morgan’s online coaching, courses, workbooks, and guides help her clients set their goals and reach success.
Dr. Morgan has a unique mix of formal education in writing, health communication, and business that is supplemented by her experience as a certified personal trainer, health coach, fitness nutrition specialist, and RYT 200 yoga teacher. She is also an adjunct professor in the Health and Sport Management departments at George Mason University where she has had a near-100% success rate with guiding her hundreds of students through health behavior change projects to reach their goals.

Dr. Morgan’s website is https://www.tsirona.com/

Mathea Ford: [00:00:27] Hi there it’s Mathea. Welcome back to the Nutrition Experts Podcast! The podcast featuring nutrition experts who are leading the way using food starts today, right now with our next guest. It’s great to have Kelly Morgan on the show today. Kelly, welcome to Nutrition Experts. I’m excited to have you on the show and share your expertise with my tribe.

Kelly Morgan: [00:00:48] Thanks for having me. I’m so excited to get to chat with you and be just a part of your world and your tribe.

Mathea Ford: [00:00:56] Thanks Kelly. Let’s start with letting you tell my listeners a little more about you and what you do.

Kelly Morgan: [00:01:03] Sure! I Am a health coach. I have online programs. I do health coaching online over Zoom and so you can be anywhere and work with me. I also have workbooks, guides, courses and I well, occasionally around town here in D.C. do speaking engagements. So, my audience is well I found people like me. I’ve been looking for those that you know I can essentially be friends and a helper. So I serve women usually on 20s, 30s and 40s but I’ve had some 60s and 70s so you never know. And I also am a professor at a college in Virginia, George Mason where I get to do a lot of this for students who pay way more than my clients.

Mathea Ford: [00:01:56] So you have a PhD or Dr Kelly Morgan, can you tell us about your back story kind of how you got to where you are?

Kelly Morgan: [00:02:03] Sure! I have kind of a weird winding road to how I got here. I’ve always been interested in fitness and nutrition. Ever since about third or fourth grade, I have loved just being active. When I was little back in the 80s. Now you know how old I am. Back in the 80s there was this little program for kids called Get In Shape Girl and it came with these little hand weights that you filled with water and a workout tape and a sweatband. And I just thought this thing was the cat’s meow. I loved it and I went from that to doing my mom’s sweat into all these tape with her and just say back in the 80s and early 90s the workouts were not exactly hard. So, this was before we’d gotten really into you know like Cindy Crawford stuff and the workout video craze. So we pretty much only had a like Jane Fonda and Richard Simmons and all that. So my love started back then. I’ve always been interested in nutrition. So about seventh to eighth grade I was very interested in what I put in my body. Now, Here’s where things take a little bit of a dark turn because I got too interested in what I put my body. About 10th grade, I was home with my mom on a snow day and she and I were just playing a game called Uno Rummy Up and just a perfectly average afternoon hanging with mom and I felt fat. I just felt gross and this is silly because I was about 90 pounds as was high school and on the cheerleading team I was starting to get competition from younger girls so as freshmen came in with still having children’s bodies sometimes I started to feel pressure you know not been worth the queen anymore. So, I decided that snow day “you can solve this problem really easily, just don’t eat.” And you know I mean objectively Yes, that’s true. You lose weight if you don’t eat but that there’s so much wrong with that mindset. I’m sure anybody who is listening knows that. So, from that time forward I dove deeper into anorexia and this was not something that people noticed or really figured because I’m naturally very small. I am not a big person to begin with and what I did have on me was muscle tone from cheerleading. So fast forward to my first year of college I was on the University of Virginia cheerleading team which was my dream since third grade. It was absolutely as wonderful as I thought it would be except for the pressure and the pace of college life and of being in you know a Division 1 sport, suddenly you couldn’t just not eat like you had to actually treat yourself like an athlete. And my body couldn’t take it anymore. I was exhausted. Instead of walking to class I took the bus which nobody did at UVAA. It was it was a beautiful campus to walk around so we all walked. So I’d have to take the bus and by the end of my first year I was so sick that one of my friends from home was concerned and she reported me to the cheerleading coach and I got booted from the team when tryouts happened. It was devastating and I came home after my first year of college and my parents said to me if you want to go back you need to get therapy. I was not ready to fix things but I was also not trying to stay home and not go back to school. So I went to therapy, changed my behaviors and kind of faked it till I actually believed it and got healthier. My back trip back upward to happy and healthy was around my third year of college when I started teaching cardio bellydance. I was teaching that as a short course. So essentially a group fitness class that you just paid for it wasn’t like a college course. So I did that fell in love with teaching fitness and eventually in my 20s started teaching fitness classes at a local large gym and just fell more and more in love with it. I got my personal training certification, my health coach certification, yoga teaching. Oh my gosh! Just I went nuts being in the world. And I went back to school. I had finished my masters degree right before I started group fitness and that was in English and just as useless as my parents said it would be. So I went back to get my doctorate in Health Communication and my expertise is Fitness Motivation. So I extended that beyond my dissertation to Fitness and Nutrition and Lifestyle Health Motivation. So, ever since then I have been a health coach. I’ve been trying to help other people and really having just a wonderful time connecting with people who are like me, who have had ups and downs. Who Oh I forgot to mention I gained weight in that time. You know that’s an important part of the story. So I gained weight and I lost it with my methods. So pretty much anyone out there, you name it I’ve been there. So that’s a really long winded answer.

Mathea Ford: [00:07:21] That’s okay. I think it’s an excellent story as far as we need to be very conscious as both healthcare providers and parents or mentors to young girls and boys too. But I know it happens more often with young girls to be sensitive to that peer pressure which you described basically competing with younger girls. I see this happen in my own family with my daughter because my son will joke with her and call her fat and I’m like that is not a joke. That is not a funny joke and she knows you know she’s not it either ways. “You’ll just grow in, you’ll get taller, don’t worry about it.” But yeah, so that can be very sensitive just even from our own selves you know in our own relationships. So, when you talked about recovering from anorexia can you talk a little bit about that process kind of what it’s like just because I have health care providers that listen on this show and I think it might provide them with a little bit of insight as to what that’s like to experience?

Kelly Morgan: [00:08:32] Oh! Absolutely! Especially for the health care providers out there. You all are key in this. The health part of it though almost all of it’s mental. There’s some really mentoring and that health care providers can do to help you you know turn that obsession for health and finding a low calorie or whatever your obsession may be to get to this point. Turning it into something good and health care providers can find a way to tap into you know that kind of mindset and turn it into something helpful by providing evidence, data. I’m at the type of person who falls victim to eating disorders very much likes facts and data and they tend to be you know very Type A. So that’s a way to get to them too and be patient because a rational mindset is not quite what’s going on. You know we can be rational when we talk to other people and when judging other people but that rational sense is not working in word. So patients, facts, some kindness and love and possibly some tough love is helpful from the health care providers and working in conjunction with mental health providers is really helpful.

Mathea Ford: [00:09:50] Can you talk a little bit about how women eat differently or view eating differently that you can do to help them succeed and make a change? So perhaps maybe you can describe a little bit of a typical what you experience from your clients and kind of how, what types of things they do to change to work a little differently?

Kelly Morgan: [00:10:14] Oh my gosh yes! Women handle eating the philosophy around eating, the action of it, the lead up, the guilt later we are completely different from men. Men are hungry they eat, if they eat a lot they’re kind of proud of themselves. They burp and move on. Women? Oh my goodness. The lead up to it. We think you know “Okay. What should I have? Look at this menu? Am I on a date? Am I going to look fat if I order this? Do I look wrong if I order a salad?” Out with friends you commonly hear women say “oh! Let’s be dad and get dessert.” So they put you on food whether it’s good or bad and food is food. It can be nutritious or not too nutritious, it’s not good or bad. But we are very stuck in that value based view of food where somehow it means something about us if we eat food that’s bad. You know that slice of cheesecake. “Oh! Am I going to be bad tonight or should I be good and get a salad?” So that’s one thing that women do that men don’t do. And if I could just wake up to my husband’s body for one day and eat not think about it I would love to. Another thing women do is we eat socially and no pun intended feed off of each other with what we’re eating. For example, I’m a member of the Junior League. When we have meetings there will be a ton of food but nobody eats it and you know don’t nibble at it but we’re very conscious of eating and eating in front of other people and when we have our meetings at dinner time there is no way these women aren’t hungry. There’s not a chance. You’ve come from work you’re starving but they’ll pick up some hummus and vegetables. And it’s just a socially acceptable thing to do. So we’re socialized into how we eat with each other, how we place value on food and it makes it hard for us to figure out a sustainable lifestyle that doesn’t involve that restriction mentally and physically. So, when I work with women we have to first understand and recognize that food is not good or bad. It’s you know you are not a bad person or a good person depending on what you eat. So, we look to find things that are enjoyable. You liked to eat them, they’re easy to make, they’re something that you can just move past any type of emotional attachment to eating. And once we can kind of break that a little bit it gets easier for the woman I work with to find a sustainable lifestyle and to be able to eat without persevering. Because it is not fun. I mean what’s the point of the not as if you’re gonna asseverate over them?

Mathea Ford: [00:12:52] You’ll have to help me what’s perseverate mean?

Kelly Morgan: [00:12:55] Just overly focus when you’re just its constantly rolling around in your mind and hours later you think about those darn nachos instead of moving on like a man.

Mathea Ford: [00:13:05] That makes it difficult to change and I totally see what you’re talking about. I remember, it’s been a long time ago but one of my favorite themes of National Nutrition Month was “All Foods Can Cit” because basically, you know if you want to have a little bit of a cheat or whatever you want to call it it’s not the end of your day from the end of your diet. You know obviously looking at diet as what you eat not necessarily a temporary solution. So. So, you talk a little bit about sustainable and I always try to think of busy people. We do tend in this country to eat out a lot more than we used to and it’s because we’re so busy. So how do people come up with more sustainable ways to eat with a busy lifestyle? What are some ideas to be more successful when you’re busy and you just don’t even really feel like you have time to think?

Kelly Morgan: [00:14:07] I’m so glad you asked that because last night I had just with or no this morning I had just listened to your episode with Christine Palombo talking about the generational differences in how people, what they’re looking for with food. And I thought it was especially neat that my age group the millennials they’re looking for a story behind their food they’re looking for convenience but something they can kind of get behind. Her philosophy was actually something I’d never been able to articulate. So, she had described when they go into a store they’re looking for prepared food which is easier because they’re busy, they’re tired but they want something that is organic where a healthier option than say past generations going to McDonald’s or Burger King. And this is something that I have found myself. I live across the street from a grocery store and my husband and I are heavy consumers of the prepared food. I highly recommend it to my clients because being able to get some prepared food that is essentially what you’d make at home but better for you then you know the complete calorie bombs you’d get out somewhere. It’s a nice in-between and something that I think is more sustainable than say meal prep or cooking every night or one of those subscription boxes like Hello Fresh where it yeah! itt’s nutritious and it’s good for you but nobody got time for that. So I think that’s one of the big parts of it. First of all, you find something that works with your lifestyle and this new idea of prepared foods that are actually worthwhile. They’re like what you cook at home, just someone else did it. That along with you know understanding maybe where it came from. If you go to the grocery store, they sometimes say you know locally sourced or where they’ve gotten this food from. So you find out the story behind your food. You feel okay about it. You have something that is great for you and it’s much better than trying to tell yourself you’re going to prep meals for the entire week. That’s amazing if you can do it. My husband can do it but not me. So, finding something that is realistic is the best part of sustainability because you have to do this everyday. This is not a diet you’re on. This is not a short term you know you’re not at a weight loss camp. You need to fit something into your daily life so these prepared meals at the grocery store or you know maybe even there I say the occasional frozen meal. It’s okay like you’d said there’s room for all types of food. So, whatever is easiest for you to get that fits into your nutritional goals that’s what I have my clients pick.

Mathea Ford: [00:16:51] That is a perfect way to help a little bit with that guilt that you feel about maybe a female what you’re eating because there’s a story behind it and you put a little bit into it. It feels like an accomplishment and then you’re okay to eat it right?

Kelly Morgan: [00:17:08] Absolutely! I mean you know if you… Somehow I feel like Suzy Homemaker. If I go into the grocery store and gotten a rotisserie chicken and then heat up a frozen vegetable with it. So it’s a nice in-between.

Mathea Ford: [00:17:20] when you work with your clients, do you ever notice that they have issues with being ashamed of their weight or feeling like it say problem that they should have already fixed. And how do you kind of work with them on that?

Kelly Morgan: [00:17:36] Yes! One of the things that comes being a woman is shame for some reason. We are hyper aware of what we should have done instead of just “Okay, so how do you change it to move forward?” My first step with clients when I run into that is “Okay, that’s great! The past is past.” Feeling guilty, beating yourself up, no matter what size you are, you could be 600 pounds and I’d say the same thing. That is not helpful. What’s helpful is saying “okay let’s say the beginning is right here! What can I do that will change my lifestyle? Move me toward what I want and then keep what I want after I’m there” This idea of dwelling on the past and thinking about what you should have done, being embarrassed of your weight that’s not helping anything. I went I had gained weight. There are no pictures of me from this time period of two years. I died and came back to life after I lost weight. And that’s no way to live. You know I look at these pictures of everybody else at these fun events and I think “you know that’s so sad.” So we tend to miss out on our lives and fade into the background because we’re afraid that we look fat in pictures or you’re going to show up somewhere and someone hasn’t seen you since you’ve gained weight and that’s what they’re going to think about. Okay, they might think “wow she’s gained weight” but there is no thought process beyond that. Nobody cares about you as much as you care about you. And it’s not worth feeling the upset and the guilt and getting stuck on that.

Mathea Ford: [00:19:05] That reminds me of when I used to go to the gym, I would go there and see people that got all dressed up like they put on make up and do their hari to go to the gym. And nobody else in a supposedly even worried about you. But I do admit that that does certainly take a little bit of mental change to say “I’m okay with going to the gym even though I may not be happy with my weight because it’s important for my health not necessarily for my weight loss but for my health.”

Kelly Morgan: [00:19:38] Everyone at the gym is just trying to be better. There is nobody there judging you and if they are there’s something wrong with them. So everybody is there for the same purpose. And I have one client who used to avoid the gym because she felt like people would stare at her and I said “everybody is there trying to be better. They have the exact same goal as you improve from today.” You know I found out when I was heavier, I’d go to the gym and if I looked in the mirror I’d get upset and I think “oh I can’t stand this!” And you know what I did to fix that? I turned away from the mirror. Just focus on what you’re trying to improve. And it’s it’s a hard switch. I completely get the people who feel self-conscious and get stuck in that thought process of “I don’t deserve to live my life like other people do because I’m overweight and should have fixed it.” Everybody deserves to go out and be in public. Overweight or not, there’s no reason for it to stop you.

Mathea Ford: [00:20:37] Yeah and we do judge ourselves a lot harsher than the outside world does. So, speaking of exercise, how does exercise play in to a healthy weight into a healthy body I guess? And what are some of the mindset changes that help make it easier to get your exercise in?

Kelly Morgan: [00:20:58] I like to differentiate between activity and exercise. What you need for weight loss and for general health is to be active as in you move more than your sedentary. So, think about legs fitbit steps, walking the dog, gardening, the easy stuff that any of us can find a way to be active even if you are wheelchair bound, you can be active by putting groceries away in the kitchen. I mean it’s it’s something where activities of daily living vs. going to the gym or doing a workout. So we need activity to reach weight loss goals and to be generally mobile and healthy and do things we need to do each day. The other side of that is fitness and there’s such a thing as fat and fit where you could be. You can have great strength, you can have endurance, you can have all of those fitness goals but you still are carrying an excess body fat. So, we don’t think about that separation of you know these are two different discussions. So I tell anyone I encounter that you should be moving more than you’re sitting and that’s difficult because most of us have jobs where we sit for eight hours a day. But the workouts are a bonus. Everybody needs to have some cardiovascular health but that’s it’s separate from say weight loss goals. So, going to the gym and getting on the treadmill for example and doing intervals where you walk for two minutes and then you maybe raise incline, a walk a little bit faster for a minute and then you come back down slow it down. That’s wonderful for your entire body system but that is more about overall health and being fit than it is about say weight loss or being generally a healthy person. And you had asked believe about mindset at the gym remembering that you’re there just to improve one step from where you were before just continuously moving forward. The mindset at the gym, I like small goals. I have a lot of days where I get on the treadmill and I want to go home. I’ve already gotten there so I say “Okay, ten minutes and then all reevaluate” then you give yourself two more minutes like “Alright, two more minutes and when it hits twelve minutes then I’ll decide if I wanna leave.” And as you keep hitting one at each of those points like I’ve already come this far. So, small goals like you know one more set and then I’ll see how I feel. That’s a way to get through work out that you don’t want to be there for. There’s also when you’re at the gym there’s frustration if say you hadn’t really really wanted to lift one let’s say like five pounds more you had diet that you should be further than you are and your strength routine, you have to just say “Okay. Well, how about a one time lifting it.” Just break it down into smaller goals. Even yoga class, I’ll tell students that you know just being here is good. If you hold something for just one more breath that’s good. And this mindset changes go into the gym and exercising from a chore to a bit of a challenge and psychologically challenging ourselves. It’s like playing a game. So it seems a little bit less awful. I find that helps and it’s what I do myself because there are a lot of days I don’t want to be at the gym.

Mathea Ford: [00:24:21] Yeah I remember starting yoga and doing it just purely for like I want and more stretching more flexibility. And after a period of a few months I was like “wait a minute, I’m really getting stronger.” I didn’t associate kind of that body weight part with providing resistance and improving balance and stuff. But…

Kelly Morgan: [00:24:45] That’s great results!

Mathea Ford: [00:24:46] Yeah I do like the idea that if you have a plan when you go to the gym I guess because it does seem like sometimes you walk and you’re like “oh what am I going to do today?” So if you do have a plan that does help to kind of get through it. My son goes to taekwando and he always says like “I don’t want to go” and I’m like “just go! You’ll at the end of the time you’ll tell me you were glad you came.” And we go and at the end of the time he tells me he’s glad he came but it’s just that like you said kind of that push like “Okay, I’m going to go and I’m just going to do it for a few minutes and then keep going.”.

Kelly Morgan: [00:25:22] Yeah! I mean even when you have something that should be fun like Taekwondo sometimes it just it’s getting started and you know you got to see your friends and you get you know kick around a little bit, improve a little bit more and then you’re done. And it’s a we all prefer having worked out than working out. I mean that’s if you enjoy working out more then the result of having doing it, you’re pretty rare. So, I mean it’s live for that feeling of having done it. Taking something off I like to scratch things off my planner so sometimes I’m going just to scratch Gym off my planner.

Mathea Ford: [00:25:56] What are some things that people can do to succeed when they’re working through this process to change their diet, to improve their diet, to eat healthier?

Kelly Morgan: [00:26:07] I find that tracking everything. I’m a data nerd seen changes over time it really gets me excited. And even those who aren’t nerds like me, if you track what you’ve done and it doesn’t matter how you track it, if you track the food you ate, your macros, your calories or if you just track what I have. I have a calendar right beside me on the wall with each time I go to the gym I put a sticker on the day. So, you get these super low tech too. However you’re gonna do it, track what you’re doing because if you don’t track you’re going to miss some really exciting successes. Changing your body composition or making a change to how you eat or be more active whatever it may be you’re doing it changes so gradually that you’re going to take your progress for granted and if you’re tracking it like maybe even taking pictures of yourself, you can see where those changes happened and it’s way more motivational than just plugging along and you don’t see it because you’ve gotten used to your success level or how you look.

Mathea Ford: [00:27:09] Should you have any good tips that you would give somebody may be regarding I know we talked a little bit about getting prepared food in the grocery store regarding eating habits? Just a quick favorite tip besides that?

Kelly Morgan: [00:27:21] Yes! Always have emergency food. All of my purses have a protein bar in them. I have let’s see I have cashews in my car. Wherever you are and you know you might be tired and hungry and you might say “You know what I’m just going to start at 7-Eleven and get something on the way home.” Never let yourself get to that point where you just do something because you don’t have a better option. So, I always have emergency food everywhere.

Mathea Ford: [00:27:49] Okay. So, when you’re thinking about health and exercise and health coaching what do you see that it’s doing to change health care in general? And what sort of things do you see coming in the future?

Kelly Morgan: [00:28:05] We have a couple of things going on in not only the health and fitness industry but in healthcare itself. About 2010 ish mobile health became a thing and that was really like this influx of apps that people could have to start tracking their own health and been far more active consumers and been you know patient advocates for themselves. This trend has but the mobile health trend changed everything in both healthcare and the health and fitness worlds. Because we had a way that doctors and patients or like with me a personal training client or a health coaching client where they can be active participants in their own programs and change and health. And I think it’s been a revolution and probably one of the more significant changes in the industry. So being able to take control of your own data, we have a lot of electronic patient health records now that we can actually see what our test results were. We can refer back to it, send messages to doctors. This activity according to some of the doctors that when I… I used to work at a health care software company and talking to doctors and nurses and other healthcare providers, they were resistant but as they started to get used to this they are working with patients who are more informed. They’re asking better questions and the doctors are starting to actually appreciate that. So, we have informed patients, we have people who are taking control of their health or if they haven’t quite done that yet they have all the information they need on themselves to do it. And access to their doctor, access to all of the health coaches out there that have popped up over the last 10 years or so and along with that we have lots of distance resources too. So, not Only those apps on your phone but there are incredible websites that have free workouts. There is one called Fitness Blender that’s great. There’s one where you can purchase classes for pretty low price. It’s called Daily OM and there’s also Kodi. So, we have all these options for people to be able to no matter what they’re doing with their lives, where they live, they could live somewhere remote with no gym and they could still access to what we all have. So, it’s just I think the digital revolution and mobile health have been two significant factors that are married not only health providers and patients but also the health and fitness world with health care.

Mathea Ford: [00:30:41] That’s an excellent example. I do find trends like I got an Apple Watch for Christmas last year and all of the sudden it’s like it’s got these little rings and I want to complete them. So when you think about prisoners being health care professionals we talked a little bit at the beginning about understanding clients and their recovery, what are some things that our listeners can use when they’re doing their daily work with clients, patients that you’d think would be helpful?

Kelly Morgan: [00:31:10] I want them to continue the good fight against pseudoscience which is something that along with this revolution of people having access to health information and advocating for themselves. We’ve seen a terrifying preponderance of pseudoscience and magic pills and all sorts of things that are being marketed to men and women alike. I think keeping that research science based approach and trying to really drown out what people are seen on the Internet and what they’re seen on TV that’s the first thing I’d love to see from health care providers. There are plenty of people in my world who… they don’t these things on medical research or any science. It’s about you know really like positive affirmations which are good but you know there are still some science to food and to you know physiology. So, I think though we have lots of good things that have come from patients being more aware of what’s out there. There’s a lot more that health care providers are going to have to fight. And you know I’m sure you’ve seen in your world all sorts of fad diets and things that clearly won’t work but people are interested in because it’s just it’s not fun to pick fruits and vegetables over you know the latest craze.

Mathea Ford: [00:32:35] Yeah! I do see that a lot with some TV shows that tend to bring about you know the latest trends. Raspberry ketones or I wasn’t going to say it.

Kelly Morgan: [00:32:52] I’ll say he kills me.

Mathea Ford: [00:32:54] Well I think it’s just it’s good, it’s A good point to health care providers to know the pseudoscience side I guess. So to understand what people heard on Dr. Oz or read in the Family Circle or Good Housekeeping or Self Magazine so that you have an idea of how to redirect that I guess to most help people because you’re right eating some of these fad diets is painful in the short term and you’re eventually going to go back so you need to just change your way of eating instead of seeing it as a short term fix.

Kelly Morgan: [00:33:34] Yes. I mean unless you are supervised by a doctor, extreme diets or something like Atkins or at the very low calorie diet those are professional use only. So, some of those things you know unless you are supervised by a doctor are a bad idea. But because they have a little bit of medical cred to them, it gets in that sort of murky waters between healthy for you and “Oh! No! Don’t do that!” So, health care providers are they are so critical and you know now that we have everybody taking control of their health, health care providers are being pushed aside a little bit for do it yourself first or my health coach friends out there who are not really basing anything on science.

Mathea Ford: [00:34:22] Yeah I think that’s an excellent example. You have to work with people where they’re at and understand what they’re seeing hearing and then help them to make better choices. And I do understand that side of the you know people try a lot of things. And so just helping them to not. We talked about shame a little bit earlier not feeling bad that you’ve tried 100 diets and none of them are working because today is a new day.

Kelly Morgan: [00:34:51] You know that’s I think people who feel bad that they’ve tried so many diets or plans haven’t worked and that’s just more information for what works for you and what doesn’t. And in fact I’d almost like people who’ve done that because then we can figure out what worked and what didn’t work.

Mathea Ford: [00:35:07] Good point. So, one of my questions I try to ask everybody is telling your favorite food?

Kelly Morgan: [00:35:14] There is a grilled cheese that is at Silver Diner and it comes with this kind of lik Cranberry Chutney on the side. It is magic! So that’s my favorite food if I could eat only one thing it will be that but listeners don’t do that. That’s a sometimes food.

Mathea Ford: [00:35:33] Well, Kelly thank you so much for being on the podcast today. It was a pleasure to have you on the show. I know my listeners have learned a lot about the different topics related to health and wellness and even a little bit about anorexia. So, if listeners want to connect with you what’s the best way to do that?

Kelly Morgan: [00:35:51] Probably, the best way to get all my free stuff and information and on the blog and everything would be my website. It’s www.tsirona.com and the name of my company as Tsirona so don’t forget the T in there and I have tons of resources on there. You can also find links to all of my social media on the website.

Mathea Ford: [00:36:16] Does Tsirona mean something.

Kelly Morgan: [00:36:18] It does! It’s the Gaelic goddess of health.

Mathea Ford: [00:36:20] Oh perfect then!

Kelly Morgan: [00:36:22] Yeah! I can’t take credit for it. My graphic designer came up with it. Thanks Tuck!

Mathea Ford: [00:36:29] Okay well guys this has been another great episode of the Nutrition Experts Podcast. The podcast is all about learning more so you can do more with nutrition in your life.

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