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One of Carl's west coast friends Ben Perry was kind enough to pick me up in San Francisco and drive me up to Santa Rosa. Never talked to Ben before so why not podcast our first conversation. We talk about Carl, beer, I try to get people to jump off the Golden Gate bridge and more. I'm in California for a very special taping of Guy Fieri's Grocery Games as they pay tribute to Carl Ruiz.
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