Interview w/ Joy & Claire of Girls Gone Wod Podcast – Episode 33: PaleOMG Uncensored Podcast


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Today on the podcast, I have not one but TWO special guests! Joy and Claire run the podcast Girls Gone Wod and we have all been friends for probably over 5 years now! I’ve been on their podcast many times so I thought it was time for them to come on mine, chat workouts, babies, Costa Rica and anything random that popped into our heads! These ladies are awesome and they have 200 episodes to listen to on their own podcast, so you can start binging right now!


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Episode 33 Transcription!

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This is Juli Bauer from PaleOMG and you are listening to PaleOMG Uncensored.

Juli Bauer: We’re recording now, just so you know. We just started. Hey guys.

Joy: Hey!

Juli Bauer: Welcome to the PaleOMG Uncensored podcast. I haven’t got my intro down quite yet. Do you want a donut?

Joy: Oh yeah, please.

Juli Bauer: You can come over here. Ok. So welcome to the podcast. Guys, this is PaleOMG Uncensored, my name is Juli Bauer Roth. And I’m the creator. I’ll snack as I go. The creator of And this is like the 33rd episode, I think?

Joy: Good for you!

Claire: You’re banging them out!

Juli Bauer: Thanks guys.

Joy: I mean, seriously.

Juli Bauer: it’s so fun when there’s actual people around to talk to. Talking to yourself for an hour; sometimes longer.

Joy: I was wonder how that’s been going for you.

Juli Bauer: It’s challenging.

Joy: Because it is kind of hard. I feel like Jackson’s a character, because you talk to Jackson sometimes.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. And then I get complaints on iTunes.

Claire: There’s a pumpkin.

Juli Bauer: Yes. I think vanilla almond.

Joy: I think we should just do a big round of everybody takes a bite of all of them. But the other thing too, I laugh so hard when you’re like; I don’t yawn ever in my life except for on the podcast.

Juli Bauer: Only when I’m talking by myself. It’s not like I’m going to yawn here when I’m talking to you guys. Because I get breaks in talking. But when I talk for an hour straight, as fast as I’m talking right, I’m like {gasp}.

Joy: She’s like {deep breath}.

Juli Bauer: I have yawns the whole time.

Claire: It’s like your body forcing you to take it. It’s like whoa, Juli. Cool your jets.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. It sucks. So this is really great to have human interaction, not just sitting on the couch with my dog.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: And have stuff to talk about. This is great. So I’m having Joy and Claire over. If you guys haven’t heard of them, they have the podcast, Girls Gone WOD. And I’ve been on their podcast a few times. They live here in Denver, obviously, in Colorado. And I wanted to be a good host, because I don’t have many guests over. I like to stay by myself. So I got them coffee and gluten-free donuts from Beat Box Bakery. Have you guys ever been there?

Joy: I haven’t yet, but I always see you post about it, and I’m like, I need to go there.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: I mean, you brought it to us.

Juli Bauer: And it’s not; I mean, it’s not very convenient for either of you location wise.

Claire: Where is it?

Juli Bauer: It’s over by the hospital.

Claire: Which hospital?

Juli Bauer: I don’t even know what hospital it is. 18th and Park Ave, ish.

Claire: Oh. That hospital. So St. Joe’s Presbyterian Hospital.

Joy: Oh yeah. It is off the beaten path a little bit.

Claire: That’s where Jess works, though.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Joy: Hey Jess; go get us some donuts.

Claire: Jess.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Jess.

Joy: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: So, for the people who don’t know you. Who are just kind of finding out about you guys.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I don’t know how, because you have 200 episodes. You had your 200th episode party live podcast last night.

Claire: Live from Denver.

Joy: Live from Denver.

Juli Bauer: Did you relisten to it yet to see how it went?

Joy: Not yet. I did some…

Claire: Spot checks.

Joy: Spot checks this morning, and it was great. But I didn’t listen to the whole thing yet. But thank you. Juli was on it, you guys. Juli came to the show.

Juli Bauer: I did not do a good job.

Claire: You did.

Joy: Yes you did. You were just fine. I knew you were nervous.

Juli Bauer: Sandy had like 47 questions.

Joy: No. It was perfect.

Juli Bauer: I was like; what’s up guys!

Claire: It was good, because that’s how our episodes are.

Joy: That’s how our episodes are.

Claire: Like, whenever you show up to our house, we’re like; “Juli, here’s a list of questions for you.”

Juli Bauer: I know, that’s true.

Joy: Exactly. I was like; and Juli was texting me before the show, and she was like, “I’m so dumb, I don’t have any questions!” {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Jackson, stop drinking!

Joy: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: OK sorry.

Claire: He’s like, guys, I’m a bit dehydrated.

Joy: I just need some water.

Claire: Where’s your Jackson voice.

Joy: Oh you haven’t heard her?

Juli Bauer: I mean I do it on Instagram a lot.

Claire: Oh I guess that’s true, you do.

Juli Bauer: It’s an annoying voice. I’ve had many people let me know.

Joy: Oh.

Claire: How nice of them.

Joy: I think I have the most annoying dog voice ever. Ever.

Claire: Joy’s sounds like Marge Simpson.

Joy: That smoked a pack.

Claire: Yeah, she sounds like Marge Simpson’s sisters.

Joy: Mm-hmm.

Claire: It’ll come out if you just let it.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Simpson’s sisters? That’s bad.

Claire: One of them is named patty, and something.

Joy: But anyways. So last night, I thank you for doing that, because that was a lot of fun. So if you’re a new listener and you start with episode 200, it will be really fun because you’ll get to hear Juli. But Juli’s been on our podcast like 5 times.

Juli Bauer: I know. I know. Awesome. So, tell everybody just a little bit about you guys. How you came to be. What you started your podcast around. Tell us all.

Joy: Ok.

Juli Bauer: I know, I’m like feeding you donuts as…

Joy: Actually it’s kind of refreshing. I’ve never done a podcast where I’m eating something. Because I’m always like, “oh, I’m going to be that person eating something.”

Juli Bauer: No, we can all be it.

Joy: But this is so, like, chill and relaxed.

Claire: It is. Really relaxed.

Joy: And sometimes I feel like when I listen to podcasts when people are eating, I’m almost like, “oh, that sounds so good, whatever they’re eating.”

Claire: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Right.

Claire: So if you guys are listening to this, thinking, “Oh that sounds so good.”

Joy: You’re right.

Claire: Pause, go get yourself a donut, and come back and be part of the experience.

Joy: Let’s all just have donuts and coffee.

Juli Bauer: It has to be a cakey donuts. These are cake style donuts.

Joy: Yes, very cake style.

Claire: And get a coffee if you want one.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: Come back, come back.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Claire: Welcome back.

Joy: Welcome back, we’re here. This is donut corner. Ok, so how we started? Was that the question? I totally got distracted by donuts.

Claire: {laughs} distracted by our donuts.

Juli Bauer: Just tell people who the hell you guys are.

Joy: Yeah, who we are. So my name is Joy Parrish. Where do we start with our individual stories? The long and short of it was, I started CrossFit like 10 years ago, I want to say. And then as far as developing the podcast, we kind of saw a hole in the content of the podcast world. That there really was nothing out there for women to listen to about women who lift. So, Claire and I knew each other through the CrossFit gym.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Jackson.

Joy: Was that the new toy I just got him?

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: That was totally my fault.

Juli Bauer: They might not even hear it, and then people are going to be like, we can’t even hear what you’re complaining about.

Claire: We can’t hear it!

Joy: We’ve done that, too, when JT snores. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, JT’s snoring!” Like, we can’t hear JT snoring. Stop talking about that. I love how people point things out that we do wrong.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Joy: Anyway. So that’s kind of how the podcast evolved. I’ve been involved in sports my entire life. No. Active. Not sports, at all. But I’ve been active my entire life.

Claire: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Opposite.

Joy: Definitely not. I’ve been mostly a dancer my entire life, and then I got into running in college, and kind of doing all the endurance.

Claire: Turbo Kick.

Joy: Yeah, Turbo Kick. All the endurance bullsh*t. And then found CrossFit. Just started kind of really getting into that world. And then, I just really liked podcasts. So the podcast really started through Claire and my relationship at the gym. So that’s kind of how we just; one day we were like, “We really should start a podcast. There’s nothing out there for women.” So that’s kind of how that evolved, and then we just kept doing it. We found that people really liked the community, and that just started building. As you know. Building a community, and building your blog, and people come in together and connecting with your story and your life is kind of what we’re all about. Instead of just; this is not the podcast to come to, for us, the Girls Gone WOD podcast, is not the one to come to if you want the best way to get 6 pack abs.

Claire: Or the best way to pair your snatch.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Yeah.

Claire: I don’t know how to answer that question.

Joy: As I put a donut in my pie hole right here.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: That’s just not…

Claire: That’s not what we’re about.

Joy: No.

Juli Bauer: So, you’ve been doing CrossFit 10 years, you said?

Joy: Mm-hmm.

Juli Bauer: That’s crazy.

Joy: I started a long time ago.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Like, out of a garage gym.

Claire: Which I feel like everybody who started 10 years ago, that’s how they started.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Yeah. Because there were no other options out there.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: And then how long have you been doing CrossFit?

Claire: I started CrossFit. Hello, my name is Claire Cook, you may or may not know that you pronounce my last name Cook.

Joy: {Laughs} .

Claire: Not Cotch, or Cock.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Claire: I started CrossFit in 2011. So I’ve been doing it for 6 years. And I was not athletic, or active, or sports. I was in choir and student council growing up.

Juli Bauer: I was a choir girl too.

Claire: Yeah.

Joy: Really?

Juli Bauer: It just feels good. Yeah.

Claire: I mean, you’ve got to like…

Juli Bauer: Express yourself.

Joy: Jazz hands!

Claire: Jazz hands. So choir is like my athletic.

Joy: {laughs} So much.

Claire: So many jazz…

Joy: {laughing}

Claire: And I started doing CrossFit because, I guess I was active in the sense that I was a raft guide, and I was a backpacking guide. And being from Boulder just campout is just a normal life. But most people are like, that’s pretty active. And then my husband and I were living in Moab, working as raft guides. Climbing all the time, hiking all the time, and we moved to Denver. I’m from Boulder, but we moved back to Denver so that Brandon could go back to school. And we were just bored out of our minds, and needed to find something to do. And so we moved back in October, November. And that following March, for Brandon’s birthday, I gave him a birthday card and on the inside there was a picture of a climbing gym on one side, and a picture of a CrossFit gym on the other side. And it was like, pick which one you want, I’ll give you a month membership at either of these gyms. And he happened to pic the CrossFit gym, and that’s how we got started with CrossFit. Just because we really needed something to do; we were going crazy.

So we started out at CrossFit J, and that’s just kind of got into it. Had that experience where I think a lot of people have where you’re like, “I’m fit, this is not going to be a big deal.” And then you do your first workout and you’re like, “Everything I thought about fitness is a lie!” {laughs}

Joy: {laughs}

Claire: Like, I’m just so sore. Our first workout was just tabata air squats. That was it.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: And I couldn’t walk for two days.

Juli Bauer: Screwed. Your screwed.

Claire: I was like..

Juli Bauer: Even now. Even when we do tabata air squats at this point, after several years of CrossFit.

Claire: Oh my god.

Juli Bauer: Screwed.

Claire: Yeah.

Joy: I think my first CrossFit workout was Helen or something.

Juli Bauer: Eww.

Joy: Yeah. And it’s just like, that’s it? When I saw the workout. And then it was like; oh my gosh, what just happened!

Claire: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Every time. And how we all came to be, is I coached at CrossFit J, and so I coached Joy in the morning classes when she would always be there early, to the 5:30 a.m. and then I coached Claire in a lifting seminar. Yeah, that TJ, the owner of CrossFit J wanted to put on. So that’s kind of how I knew them, and how I came on their podcast.

Joy: Gah, it’s been so long.

Juli Bauer: I know. It’s so weird. It’s so weird. So you guys just got back from Costa Rica.

Joy: Yes.

Juli Bauer: So, I talked about Costa Rica on my last podcast that just came out, yesterday. Don’t be a piggy, Jackson. So I went to Costa Rica with Under 30 Experiences in January 2016, I think. And you guys just did that total same trip. Obviously they do everything probably a little bit differently but you did a very similar trip that I did. So how was that? How was that experience?

Joy: So much fun.

Juli Bauer: How was that Under 30 Experience?

Joy: Well, being 39, the under 30.

Claire: {laughs} I enjoyed it. I’m 29, and I was like, this is just for me!

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Claire: It was really fun. We had about 20 Girls Gone WOD listeners who came. And we were really lucky that zero of them were weirdos. In fact, they were all really wonderful.

Joy: All wonderful.

Claire: And we did some sandbag workouts. We took some Empacks. We ate ice cream from this lady at her house.

Joy: Yeah, a little bag.

Claire: Yeah, you did that too.

Joy: Yeah, where you cut open the bag and you just eat it out of the bag.

Claire: Yeah! It’s the best.

Joy: Like an otter pop.

Claire: Random old lady selling ice cream out of the fridge inside of her house. I was like, this is legit.

Juli Bauer: And it’s dark outside, and you’re like, what the hell? And we don’t speak Spanish, and they only speak Spanish, and we’re like, what is going on?

Joy: And she’s just throwing it to you through like a barbed window.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, they don’t even open their gate.

Joy: No.

Claire: They just pass it under the door.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, such a strange experience. It’s like, what’s happening?

Claire: It’s so good though. But also the best ice cream I’ve ever had.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. It always is.

Joy: I really appreciated how the Costa Ricans were like, we don’t really care. Just the Pura Vida lifestyle. Oh my god. Juli is holding Jackson like a baby right now, and it’s just the cutest. Hi, Jackson, you have the cutest face.

Juli Bauer: I know.

Joy: Oh it’s the best. He’s so cute.

Juli Bauer: He’s one block.

Claire: He’s like a solid.

Joy: Little blobby face! Oh, there, see there was my dog voice, just a little. It’s actually not a Marge Simpson.

Claire: No. But it comes out.

Joy: Oh, it’s a little bit. So, what I took away from this was, Pura Vida lifestyle, I loved it so much, because everyone really is just so chill. But what I found just hilarious is wherever we went; like the ziplining tour, or the standup paddle boarding. They don’t really care. There’s not really a lot of rules around all this stuff.

Claire: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: No.

Joy: Like, we went standup paddle boarding. They legit, when we arrived, had all the paddle boards kind of lined up. All the guides are like the; sorry. Just this face right now.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: You guys have a stacked face of Jackson’s head.

Claire: It’s a totem pole.

Joy: We’re going to Instagram this right now, because the totem pole of Juli’s head and Jackson’s head right now is hilarious.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: But the standup paddle boards were all lined up, and then the guides were jumping off a cliff on the other side of this little bay that we were walking up on. They’re just jumping off a cliff. They walk up and they see us, they’re like, oh ok. So they run over, they give us all the paddle boards and they just push us out in the ocean. They’re like, see you later! Don’t even take any money. Don’t even tell us to come back in an hour.

Claire: Yeah, we got back and we were like, “Who do we pay?” They were like, “Oh, we don’t know.”

Joy: Oh, we don’t know. So we were like, ok.

Juli Bauer: Are you serious?

Joy: Yeah. So we went in the afternoon, and we were out for a good 2 hours. I’m not kidding. 20 of us went out like a mile, just middle of nowhere.

Claire: Like, out to sea.

Joy: Any time I’ve been standup paddle boarding, they’re like, “Oh just stay in this little area.”

Claire: “Stay in the cove.”

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Just go back and forth for like an hour.

Juli Bauer: if the tide doesn’t take you out. You could diet.

Joy: Exactly.

Juli Bauer: Sh*t.

Joy: We were so far out that I kind of started to get worried. But I was like, this is actually going to be on the news. I could just see this happening. The sun is setting, it’s getting dark. We are so far out.

Juli Bauer: And the sun sets so fast there.

Joy: So fast.

Juli Bauer: You’re like what the; ok, it’s pitch black.

Claire: Ok. I’m glad you brought that up. Because I was staying there, and they were like, we might get a good sunset. So there’s this, kind of rule you can use when you’re backpacking and you want to know how much time you’re going to have before the sun sets. And it’s like a hand width from the horizon is about an hour. So if you can hold your hand up and the sun is a hand-width away from the horizon, you’re like; “oh I still have an hour of sunlight so we’re good to go.” So I did that, and I was like, this looks like we still have 2 hours to go, guys. I think we’re going to be good. 30 minutes later, sun is setting.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: Oh. Everything I thought about nature is wrong.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: I’m in the middle of the ocean, and I’m not moving for some reason.

Joy: Yeah, that was the other thing. The tide was pushing us out. So I’m like, oh my gosh. We’re going to be so tired.

Juli Bauer: Sh*t.

Joy: So paddling back is going to take twice as long. So I start freaking out. So I’m just paddling back. Finally, we make it. Obviously. But the guides are still just jumping off the cliff when we get there.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. They don’t care.

Joy: They’re like, “Ok, got your boards. See you later!” And we’re like, who do we pay? And the same thing with ziplining. Like the legit would just push us off the zipline, and be like, Bye!

Claire: Bye!

Juli Bauer: Yeah, and they don’t tell you anything.

Joy: No.

Juli Bauer: A girl I was talking to when I was in Dallas, she said the first day on Costa Rica trip they went zipline, and she almost broke her leg because they didn’t tell her to slow down, and then she slammed into it.

Joy: Oh yeah.

Juli Bauer: She had to whip her legs up, and she was like, I thought it was totally broken. And the whole trip she has an almost broken leg.

Claire: Yeah. They were a little bit better than that.

Joy: They were.

Juli Bauer: Keep your knees up!

Claire: Yeah.

Joy: But there was definitely an air. I’ve been ziplining before in Hawaii, and everything was super safe, and uber contained. But this was just so funny. They would legit; once you’re ready, they push you off.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: But we had a blast. It was so much fun.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Joy: Yeah. We had a good time.

Claire: It’s always fun too to connect with our listeners in real life. Because I think, you can probably relate to this. We just sit in a room and podcast. And other than some social media interactions, there are no real-time feedback about, these are the people who actually are part of my community. So it was really cool to actually spend time with people, and be like, oh. We actually, our message has gotten out into the world a little bit. Other people are actually a part of this with us.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: And it was the first time that we’d ever really connected with people like face to face for more than a second in passing.

Joy: Mm-hmm.

Claire: Which is cool to have time to spend with people, and hear their stories, and talk to them, and hear, not just, “Hey what do you find of value in our podcasts. Hey talk about us.” But like, “Hey, what’s your life. How can we connect with you better.” So that was pretty cool.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Because there was a couple last night there at your party.

Claire: Yeah!

Juli Bauer: Who went to Costa Rica with you guys? And then flew out.

Claire: They flew up from Texas.

Juli Bauer: That is crazy.

Joy: Just for the…

Juli Bauer: And she was like, I went to your book signing in Dallas. I was like, what the? How cool are they?

Joy: Marty and Ryan, by the way. Shout out to them. The are just the nicest. The nicest people.

Juli Bauer: And so cute.

Claire: So cute!

Juli Bauer: They’re like Ken and Barbie.

Joy: He’s the one that gave me the Band-Aid, because I cut my finger last night. And he’s like, “I’ve got a Band-Aid!”

Claire: Of course he had a Band-Aid.

Joy: They’re just so nice. They were the best. And they continue to be the best. We love them. People like that; we’re just like, man how did I get so lucky to connect with such cool people.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, that’s so fun.

Joy: Yeah, it was.

Juli Bauer: How cool. That’s such a cool experience there.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Also I heard on; I was listening to your podcast while I was grabbing donuts this morning, finishing up the last one that you guys just published. And you were talking about how you’re doing an event with the Incline, the Manitou incline.

Claire: It’s going to be so fun!

Joy: Claire is so excited.

Juli Bauer: You have done it?

Claire: Yes.

Juli Bauer: Yes? And you haven’t?

Joy: I have not.

Juli Bauer: Ok. So.

Joy: Have you?

Juli Bauer: Yes!

Joy: Ok.

Juli Bauer: So I want to talk about this.

Claire: It’s a sweaty experience.

Juli Bauer: It’s such a sweaty experience. So for people who don’t know, look up the Manitou Incline. It’s literally a stairway into heaven. It looks like a stairway; but it’s not heaven. You’re not having a good time.

Joy: No. Ok.

Claire: {laughs} You’re not having a good time.

Juli Bauer: And I, yeah. I’m a person who likes pain. I like that.

Joy: Yeah. Is it like walking red ruck stairs, or worse?

Juli Bauer: No.

Claire: No.

Juli Bauer: No. Much more.

Claire: It’s less stairs, and more of a ladder.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: It’s so much steeper than stairs.

Juli Bauer: Like I literally; when she was saying, you don’t have to crawl. But sometimes you’re putting your hand, because it’s so steep. You’re like putting your hand on the stair in front of you.

Joy: Ok. Yeah.

Juli Bauer: And they’re not sketchy stairs much anymore, but they’re not like red rock steps that are super nice.

Claire: It’s less of a true stair and more of; you don’t hike so..

Joy: Well what I’m comparing it to is camel back in Arizona. Because I did this hike that’s 30 minutes, really high incline, really steep incline, to where there’s a bar built into the mountain that you have to grab onto.

Juli Bauer: Oh.

Joy: It’s pretty steep. Yeah. Claire just showed me a picture.

Claire: It’s like 2x4s that are across. So it’s almost like; they’re almost less stairs and more just there to keep you from sliding down.

Joy: Ok great. Yeah.

Claire: It’s like a railroad track.

Juli Bauer: And there’s like a false, like you think you’re there.

Joy: You think you’re done? That’s how Camel Back is in Arizona. You think you’re done, and then you’re like, oh there’s more.

Juli Bauer: Yes.

Joy: So, how long typically does it take to get to the top?

Juli Bauer: I think it took us like 45 minutes.

Joy: Ok.

Juli Bauer: And we stopped a couple of times. Because I had a friend who had just recently had a baby. She was just getting back into exercise. But she was a really fit person before. So we stopped a couple of times. One of my friends who ran the Leadville 100, she was the leader of us. She was like, “Are you guys serious? This is what I used to run up as my warmup run as I went up the rest of the mountain.” I was like, f*ck you. Whatever.

Claire: Nobody wants to talk to you.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Exactly. Go away. But what I don’t like is you get there, and you’re like, ok sweet! I finished! But then it’s like 3 miles to get down, and it’s like this wrapping back and forth. And you’re like, I just 8 want to be done. I just want to go have a drink. I’m finished.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: So that’s what was annoying to me. Because them I’m like, sprinting downhill to just get off. And you can go down the steps, but it’s sketchy.

Claire: It’s really hard to get your knees. It’s hard for your joints to go down like that.

Juli Bauer: I had my friend from Nebraska. She smokes, so that obviously does not help. But then come to altitude; she got up to like 10 steps and was like, hell no.

Joy: No.

Juli Bauer: No. And she runs on a regular basis. But she was like, I cannot do this.

Joy: Oh my gosh.

Juli Bauer: So have fun with that guys. Good luck.

Joy: Ok great, yeah.

Juli Bauer: I will not be joining.

Claire: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: I did that and was like, never again.

Joy: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: I’m glad I did that once.

Claire: I know, when Joy texted me, she was like, do you want to do the incline? I was like. No. I don’t.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: But I will.

Juli Bauer: Good for you for doing it again.

Claire: But I don’t want to.

Joy: Yeah. So join us, listeners, please. Join us. June 24th.

Juli Bauer: I was thinking about putting like a Denver guide together for my website, because I get questions about that all the time.

Joy: Smart.

Juli Bauer: And I was going to put the incline on there.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: But I’m not going to take pictures there, but you should do it.

Claire: It’s an experience.

Juli Bauer: It’s an experience.

Joy: We’ll take pictures for you.

Juli Bauer: Like Garden of the Gods.

Claire: Are you a hiker?

Juli Bauer: No.

Claire: You’re not really like a nature person.

Juli Bauer: 100% no.

Claire: I feel like it’s similar to hiking a 14er.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: Where you do it, and you’re like; ok did it. I didn’t really enjoy it. I’m glad it’s over. And I’m not a big 14er person, just because the suffering is not worth it to me. I’d rather go on a nice beat of a hike where I’m enjoying nature and talking to my friends.

Joy: This really isn’t selling me on the 14er we’re doing this summer, by the way.

Claire: I don’t like 14ers! Brandon was like, are you even going to do this 14er with me and Joy? And I was like, I mean I feel like I have to. But I don’t love 14ers.

Joy: Well that’s good to know.

Claire: I prefer to not do them.

Joy: It’s good to know that I can do this one and done thing.

Claire: Exactly. It’s an experience. It’s a bucket list thing. If you’re from Colorado, you kind of have to; it’s like a rite of passage. But I just don’t care to suffer in nature. I will suffer in the gym so that I can enjoy nature.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I did one 14er, and I was like; never again.

Claire: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: It was like, Mt. Quandary. I feel like most people do that one. And I just never want to do it again. But I think it’s something you should always try.

Claire: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Maybe you’re going to be super into hikes.

Claire: Yeah, who knows. And I love hiking. I just don’t love 14ers. I just want hiking.

Juli Bauer: To enjoy it.

Claire: Yeah, to enjoy it. Exactly. It’s not like a conquer anything for me. I feel like people who do 14ers, it’s like, for them, if they don’t reach the summit, then the hike didn’t count. For me that’s not really how I approach my life.

Joy: Right. Right.

Juli Bauer: So you guys have the Games coming up. You’re going this year?

Joy: Mm-hmm.

Juli Bauer: How many years have you been?

Joy: I’m going to compete.

Juli Bauer: Yes. Competing.

Claire: I’m going to compete in all of the vender village {laughs}.

Juli Bauer: Yes.

Joy: Yes.

Juli Bauer: That’s great.

Claire: I actually almost won a vender village event once. It was like a double under burpees event, and it was before anybody had double unders in the CrossFit, except for me. And I was really sad I didn’t win.

Joy: Wait, you won an event with Christmas Abbot and the…

Claire: Oh I did! I beat John Para. Do you know who Jon Para is?

Juli Bauer: NO.

Claire: He is a games athlete from southern California. He’s like a policeman. And this was when Christmas Abbot was still …

Joy: Yeah this was right when we started the podcast.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok.

Claire: I was obsessed with Christmas Abbot. I still love her, but I was obsessed with her.

Juli Bauer: Is she still in the CrossFit world?

Claire: I think she still owns CrossFit invoke. Maybe she doesn’t I think she does. But now she’s more into; she did her badass body diet.

Juli Bauer: Oh yeah.

Claire: Which is kind of like The Zone diet, but then she came out with an at home workout thing that goes with that. So she’s kind of more shifted to that stuff. But anyway. When she was willing to Nascar, she did this event at the CrossFit games where they brought in a Nascar car, and the event was like, you do 5 burpees, and then you run up to this car and you take an air gun, and you have to take the tire off.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok.

Claire: And that was the whole event. And I somehow got paired up with John Para, who is a literal CrossFit games athlete. And he beat, it was 5 burpees. He beat me by like 2 burpees. So he’s going twice as fast as me. He gets to the tire, and somehow I got to the tire like a minute after him, and I still beat him.

Juli Bauer: Oh my gosh.

Claire: Because he, it was like a technical error or something. He thought something he had to do that we didn’t. But to this day, I’m like, “I beat a CrossFit games athlete in an athletic event once.”

Joy: Yep. Yep. It’s a huge badge of honor.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: I was very proud of that.

Claire: I was very excited.

Joy: As you should be.

Juli Bauer: How many times have you guys been to the games?

Claire: This will be my…

Joy: Fifth.

Claire: No.

Joy: No? Fourth?

Claire: Fourth.

Joy: And our third.

Claire: Have we only been twice?

Joy: Yes.

Claire: Ok yes. So this is my 4th. I went in 2013, 2015, 2016, and then 2017. And we’ve been together 2015, 2016.

Joy: Yeah so this will be our third trip.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Joy: Oh it’s so fun.

Claire: It’s so fun. It’s like CrossFit Disneyland.

Joy: Have you ever been?

Juli Bauer: I’ve been once.

Joy: Ok.

Juli Bauer: I think just once.

Claire: You should come with us.

Joy: So much fun.

Juli Bauer: I just get overwhelmed with that many crossfitters who are just drinking the CrossFit juice.

Claire: That’s what’s fun about it though.

Juli Bauer: Kool-Aid?

Claire: I think that’s fun because it’s like, every once in a while, you have to take a cold shower in the CrossFit Kool-Aid again to reset.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Ok. I don’t know if I fully agree with that.

Claire: That’s fair.

Joy: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Sometimes it’s like, I just can’t take that many people with their shirts off at a non-pool/lake event.

Claire: {laughs} That’s fair.

Juli Bauer: It just gets overwhelming to me. And I post pictures in my swimsuit all the time, but there’s a point to them. You know. There’s a beach.

Joy: You know.

Juli Bauer: There’s a pool. There is a like to know it link.

Joy: It’s funny that you; yes. There’s a purpose.

Claire: Everybody was walking around with a like to know it link above their head, and you could just…

Joy: Scan it with your phone.

Juli Bauer: Yes!

Claire: you should get a like to know it wristband.

Joy: Hey!

Juli Bauer: This girl who invented this company might just do that. She is f*cking badass.

Joy: That’s amazing. Because you just went; did you just back from an event for like to know it?

Juli Bauer: I did.

Joy: OK. We can talk about that too. But, something that you bring up too about how people are just kind of traipsing around and flashing their abs. I think just being older and being at the games, I realize; I don’t want to say I’m old, because I’m not. But how the 20s crossfitters are so much different. There are stands and set ups where it’s legit; like a club. Like, some of the vendors will have a huge set up.

Juli Bauer: Yes.

Claire: Exactly.

Joy: And the music is pumping, and there are girls in bikinis hanging out. That piece, I’m like, I could do without it.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: But I forget that there’s a world in CrossFit where people are hooking up and being all showing and your boobs hanging out for the purpose of just being like, “Hey.” I don’t know.

Juli Bauer: I can imagine, just because I watch The Bachelor and The Bachelorette. And they all hook up with each other, behind the scenes, and Tweet each other and DM each other. I’m pretty sure that’s what the CrossFit community is like.

Joy: I swear.

Juli Bauer: Especially at the games.

Claire: It’s like how at Olympic village. The biggest thing they have to do is provide condoms.

Joy: Yep.

Juli Bauer: Eww. Yeah. Big time. Oh my god; what if; you should check for condom vendors. See if they’re starting to sell that. If pass those out.

Claire: Yeah, I’d be like; “You look like you need this.”

Juli Bauer: Yes!

Claire: Just tuck it in your rolled down booty shorts, as if they aren’t already small enough. You’re making them smaller.

Juli Bauer: The little tiny butt cheeks hanging out at the bottom.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I can only take so much of that at my own gym, let alone that many people.

Claire: Let alone people you don’t know.

Juli Bauer: Yes.

Claire: Sometimes I want to walk up to people and just be like, “I see what you’re going for here, but I just feel like this one booth negates everything going on inside.”

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Exactly. Exactly. Yes. It like the whole reason I stopped going to a regular gym and started doing CrossFit, and they’re pushing what is the opposite that I joined CrossFit. So, that’s how I feel about the CrossFit games sometimes.

Claire: Fair enough.

Juli Bauer: Too overwhelming. But I support you guys and how much fun you have.

Joy: Well yeah, it is so much fun. I think that’s kind of like; I turn the filter off of looking at that, but I definitely notice it. And I’m like; “Oh, geeze.” But we just go to get free food and all the stuff.

Juli Bauer: Free food? Who gives free food there?

Joy: Everyone.

Juli Bauer: The year I was there, there was like one food cart in the entire thing.

Joy: Oh my gosh.

Claire: They have really made a big difference.

Joy: Huge.

Claire: Everybody has samples. But Paleo Nick has this huge booth. It’s basically; I don’t even know how to describe; I’d do it a disservice by calling it a booth.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: It’s like a store.

Joy: It’s like a store.

Juli Bauer: Dang.

Joy: That they set up. And then the bulletproof coffee tent. You go get your bulletproof cold brew, and then you go over to Paleo Nick and you get your sweet potato chicken egg hash.

Juli Bauer: Oh sh*t. This is not the set up. I mean, it was a long time ago. It was probably 5, 6 years.

Joy: The first day, I feel like I’m giving away all the insider secrets. But the first day if you go before everyone kind of shows up; I think it’s early Thursday or mid Thursday. Everybody is giving away free stuff, because all the vendors are super excited. So they’re just handing out tubs of protein powder.

Juli Bauer: Oh, that’s nice.

Joy: We came home with like 15 tubs.

Juli Bauer: So you just pack a very light suitcase so you can get everything in.

Joy: Yes! You have to have all the stuff. And then by Friday afternoon, they’re just giving you slivers of sausages, because they’re like, “Oh crap we’re running out!” But that first day they were like, huge tubs of ice cream, and full on sausages from Teton Waters. And we’re like; this is great!

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Joy: Yeah. So we have a good time there. And then networking, of course. We like to kind of talk to all the vendors and schmooze.

Juli Bauer: Is that were you get some people and be like, “Oh, you should be on our podcast!” When you meet people there.

Joy: Absolutely.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Yeah. And I think it was; well, Under 30 Experiences reached out to us before the games. We then also connected with them at the games.

Juli Bauer: Oh cool.

Joy: Kalo has been a big sponsor for us. We met them at the game.

Claire: WODROD.

Joy: WODROD was a huge one. Now that I think about it, we’ve done a lot of connections at the games.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Joy: It’s just really fun.

Juli Bauer: That will be so cool.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: So if you guys are going to Madison, let us know.

Joy: Yeah. Look for us.

Juli Bauer: So; oh yeah, I forgot that’s where it is.

Claire: Yeah and Brandon’s family lives in Madison, so we’re just killing all the birds with one stone.

Juli Bauer: When you were talking about that on your podcast last night, recording that, I was like, “Is she moving to Madison?” I completely forgot. {laughs}

Claire: Yeah. Brandon’s family lives there. So we’re literally, we’re taking Miles. It’s going to be great. Miles is my 18-month-old, by the way.

Juli Bauer: Yes. And I got to meet your husband for the first time last night.

Claire: Yeah!

Juli Bauer: He totally looks; and I’m sure everybody…

Claire: Dax Shepard.

Juli Bauer: Yes!!!

Joy: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Oh my god! He looks exactly like him. It’s crazy.

Claire: Especially now that he’s growing his hair out.

Juli Bauer: Yes. Yes.

Joy: Dax Shepard.

Juli Bauer: He is so f*cking cool. He was just so nice.

Joy: He’s the sweetest.

Juli Bauer: Just easy to talk to, super chill. He’s like, “I’m not trying to hold you here. I just want to say hi. I’ll let you go.”

Claire: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} He was just so cool. I loved him.

Claire: I think he was a good pick.

Juli Bauer: So how has been being a new mom? As you’ve been going through the not having time to workout and figuring out that you have to workout at 5 in the morning and working, and your husband is in school full time.

Claire: Yeah. It’s hard.

Joy: Life.

Claire: Being a new mom is really hard.

Juli Bauer: Yes, that’s what I hear.

Claire: Yeah. I think there are some people who really try to put on the rose-colored glasses, “I’m so grateful, it’s such a beautiful time.” Yes, it’s great, and there are wonderful moments. But at the end of the day, it’s really hard.

Miles is great. And he’s a really easy baby. He was a really easy baby; he is a pretty easy… He’s like a kamikaze toddler, because he’s a little boy. But he just throws himself off of chairs and I lose 10 years off my life every time {laughs}. But balancing everything. And I hesitate to use the word balancing, because we’re not balancing it. Cramming everything in.

We talked about this a lot at kind of the beginning of the year on our podcast. I have tried to kind of establish this as the year of less, because I felt like I had so much going on that I needed to just take a step back and decide, ok, what are my priorities?

We actually had an episode, I forget which number it was. Literally the title of the episode is “Ruthless Prioritization.” And it’s finally having to step back and say, “What’s important to me.” And I think that’s the only way you can do it. My number one priority is spending time with my family. And my number two priority is my health, which through all that, comes sleep, comes eating well, and comes working out. And then my number three priority is work. And that has to be; and paying rent.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Yeah. Paying bills.

Claire: There’s a meme I love that’s like, “Tell us why we should hire you? And it’s like, ‘Well I’m really passionate about being able to pay rent.’”

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Joy: {laughing}

Claire: Sometimes that’s how I feel.

Juli Bauer: Seriously.

Claire: But I got to a point where there were kind of 3 things at play. It was sleep, time with my family, and working out. And I had been getting up and working out, and because of that my sleep and my time with my family was really suffering. So instead; it was like, I’m not willing to give up time with my family. So of these two other things, how can I play with this? That’s how I decided to start working out at 5 a.m. where it was like, I have a little more control over my sleep. But if I’m not working out, the alternative is literally being on Prozac. Which I am currently on. It just was like; something has to give here. And after months of working out; probably a year of being really inconsistent, I was like, “I just have to make it work.”

So I don’t love waking up at 4:30 in the morning. Zero people love it, I think. But it’s getting easier. And I also just have to tell myself that this is not forever. And I think that’s a big key for anyone with little kids. You just have to keep that perspective of, this is a phase of my life. And we may have another kid, and this phase may be 5 or 6 years long. But I’m not always going to be covered in someone else’s snot. I’m not always going to have to wake up because of someone else. And I hate saying this, but I am going to look back on these years and miss these little pieces. And miss Miles being so dependent on me, and wanting to be around me. So I try to look at it that way. Versus; there are some days where I’m just like, “Oh, my god. Can he just need someone else?”

Juli Bauer: For real.

Joy: You’ve been doing a good job with that though.

Claire: Like I said, I hate to call it a balancing act, because it is just every day you have to prioritize.

Joy: You’re very strict about going to bed early. We set good boundaries around what time we podcast, so she can be with family and put Miles to bed. So we do our best to do that too. I think if you’ve read The Year of Yes, by Shonda Rhimes. I don’t know if you feel this way, but I love when she talks a little bit about how you’re constantly in a world of guilt. You can’t really do everything all out when you’re a mom. So you’re either doing your job all out, or you’re doing your family life all out. Or you’re doing half and half. You can’t have everything perfect. So you just kind of have to live in that world.

Claire: I’m really sweating.

Juli Bauer: I am too.

Joy: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Because I had a dog; can I wash my hands?

Joy: Julie has so much dog hair on her. {laughing}

Juli Bauer: What is that. What is that. This is what my house looks like constantly.

Joy: Julie looks like Jackson right now with all the dog hair. So much sweat going on. But I think just making peace with that too. You’re not a bad mom if you’re not able to do 100% of the mom life every single day. And you’re not a bad employee if you can’t do 100% of the work life every day. So I think that’s a lot of women, I think, feel like you have to be perfect. Or social media is like, “Everyone does it all!”

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: I have a cute outfit, and I went to Starbucks, and I have a toddler, and I have my job and it’s like; nobody’s life is like that.

Juli Bauer: No.

Claire: That’s not real life.

Juli Bauer: No! It’s so frustrating seeing that. I see my friend, she has a toddler and then they just had twins.

Claire: Oh my gosh!

Juli Bauer: I’m like, how.

Claire: That is my biggest fear. We definitely want another kid, and my biggest fear is twins.

Juli Bauer: I know.

Claire: I’m a twin and my aunts are twins.

Juli Bauer: Oh sh*t. Yeah.

Claire: It is very within the realm of possibility.

Juli Bauer: It’s a good chance.

Claire: People are like; well it skips a generation. I’m like, we had both. I have both a generation above me and me.

Juli Bauer: Oh man! That’s scary.

Claire: Please ovaries, no.

Joy: {laughing}

Claire: One egg at a time.

Juli Bauer: I was texting her husband the other day. I’m like, “How’s it going.” He’s like, “It’s hard.”

Claire: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: He’s like, “They’re great but it’s so hard.” And I just can’t imagine. That would be so challenging.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Well good for you for getting up at 5 and still crushing it. And then Joy, you don’t have any kids.

Joy: No.

Juli Bauer: Do you guys; I ask this being a person who doesn’t know if I ever want to have kids. Did you guys know if you wanted to have kids or not have kids or…

Joy: We’ve always been on the track of; well it kind of evolved. I’d say when we got married. My husband’s name is Scott. We were like, “We’ll see, we’ll see, we’ll see.” And it just never really called to us. It was never something that we were like, “We absolutely want to have kids.”

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: So what we did along the way, and what we continue to do. Is we’re like, “Where are you at? Where are you at?” Well, we’re good with where we are. There’s definitely moments where there’s a “should.” Which I know, that’s such a stupid buzzword. “Don’t should all over yourself!” But there’s definitely a “should” as a woman you’re built to do that so you should do that. But I think what it comes down to is just being honest with ourselves is we’re just not sure that’s our path. And we’ve never, ever. The weird thing, and the beautiful thing is that we’re very lucky that we’re both exactly in that same space where, he’s not gung-ho and I’m not gung-ho. So I think the combination of that is like, meh. We’re good right now. We feel like we put things into the world that we feel proud of and we never feel a regret. So at this point; I’m 39. Probably the ship has somewhat sailed. But we’re not planning on it. We’re just not planning on it. And if something changes, we’ll figure it out. But we just at this moment in our lives are still not planning on it.

But it’s really interesting to me because I feel like in couples, especially. If one was to be like, super gung-ho, I feel like that often pushes the other person into either having kids or they break up. And I feel like we’re both in the middle ground that no one is going to go either way. Which is fine. And we feel very happy and fulfilled. But, I mean Claire knows this. It’s been a constant, for a while, I’d say especially from 35 to 39 I was feeling guilty every day that I didn’t have the urge to have a kid. Like, what’s wrong with me? That whole piece. But I’ve worked through that.

Claire: I think knowing you has changed my perception about women who don’t want to have kids. And it’s not that I judged women before. But I just; I’ve realized that Brandon and I are very unique in the sense that both of us have always known we definitely want kids. And multiple kids. And I think for me, it was like a grew up with a lot of siblings, and I want that. I want to have a big family. It was just never a question in my mind. Whereas in the past I’ve known people were like, “I’m not sure.” In the back of my mind, I’m always like, “Oh you’re just saying that. Eventually you’ll realize that you want to have kids.” And I have another friend who’s like, she would get her tubes tied today if she could. And she’s 27, or 28. And she’s just like, “I know. There’s no question in my mind, I never want kids.” Hey Jackson.

Juli Bauer: He likes to push the door open himself.

Claire: But it’s like, it’s made me more aware of the fact; I think it just never occurred to me. I think a lot of women who have always known they want kids are like this. I think it’s like anytime where you grow up with this certain mindset. It takes a personal experience. I don’t want to say, “open your eyes” because I feel like this was transformative, but it wasn’t ground breaking as to, not everyone things like me.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Mm-hmm.

Claire: And when you finally meet someone or is close to someone who is like, “Wow, you have a totally different opinion on this than me.” It’s not that I ever thought it was right or wrong. It’s just that I never really considered that somebody could be totally convicted of, they don’t want kids. And it’s also made me realize that asking someone if they want kids is a really personal question. Which I also never really appreciated. Because it was like, “Of course I want kids. Why would I care if you ask me that?” And it’s made me realize that I have stopped asking people that. I’ve stopped.

Juli Bauer: Because you never know what they’re going through, either.

Claire: Exactly. That’s also huge.

Juli Bauer: I’ve meet so many people go through infertile stuff.

Claire: Right, infertility.

Joy: All of the things.

Claire: Right. Or who knows what your question; I never realized how personal that could be. And now it’s kind of like, hearing you the last few years go from that place of, “It’s something you’re thinking about all the time, you feel really judged for it.” To now where it’s like, “You know what? This is just how I feel about it.” It’s just been interesting to notice how different people’s opinions impact that.

Juli Bauer: And it’s cool when you can respect that. Because I feel like I get that, since I don’t know if I want to have kids. When I get those people that are like, “I can’t imagine my life without kids. Who is going to take care of you when you’re older?” It’s like, none of those questions have to do anything with you so I don’t know why you’re asking me. But it’s cool to see two different lifestyles and viewpoints on that kind of stuff. Because I did a podcast about that.

Joy: Yeah, I listened. It was good.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. It was very mixed feedback, of course. So I wish more people could kind of see it like that. You’re like, oh well ok. They don’t want to; I do. That’s the end of the day.

Claire: Well and it’s like; why can’t we be that way about everything.

Joy: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Because I think; I mean, it’s such a huge deal to create a human. You created a human.

Juli Bauer: Huge deal.

Claire: Yeah, I did. With my body.

Juli Bauer: For the rest of your life.

Claire: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: It’s crazy!

Claire: It is crazy. I feel like any other decision and any other thing you do in your life, you can turn away from except for being a parent.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: Because you can get divorced. You can move. You can quit your job. You can change your name. You can gender reassignment surgery.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: You can change everything about you, but you can never change the fact that you’re a parent.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Claire: Whether or not you’re in your kid’s life. There is somebody out there who is genetically half you.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Isn’t that so crazy.

Joy: So crazy. So bizarre.

Claire: I can’t think about it. I can’t think about it too much otherwise I’m li

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