On Lions, the San and Being Alone — Dr. Nicole Apelian #141


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Dr. Nicole Apelian joins us to share about her experience living with Lions and the San Bushmen in southern Africa. Nicole is a scientist, mother, educator, researcher, expeditionary leader, safari guide, herbalist and traditional skills instructor. Nicole’s background is as diverse as it is impressive. She has worked as a game warden with the US Peace Corps, spent time tracking and researching lions in southern Africa and she’s developed strong relationships with the San Bushmen tribe through years of living and working with them. A passionate educator, she currently leads yearly tracking & bird language expeditions through the Kalahari alongside the Naro Bushmen. Nicole continues her work with the San Bushmen to help them find strategies to preserve their traditions and is currently cataloging indigenous plant uses with a community of Naro Bushmen who regard her as family.

In this episode, Nicole gives us a peek inside the world of the San Bushmen tribe. We learn who they are, how they structure their tribe, how the relationships between men and women work and how they raise their babies. She also shares some of the horrific obstacles they’ve faced over the years and how they’re recovering today.

Our conversation traverses a myriad of fascinating topics. We discuss what it’s like living with a predator, cultural appropriation and the romanticizing of the hunter-gatherer lifeway, Nicole’s time spent surviving alone in the wilderness, the future of modern day indigenous tribes living in their traditional lifeway and much, much more.

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    • Arthur Haines’ Spring Foraging Workshop
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    • Continuing the conversation on invasive species vs planetary plant citizenship
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  • Introducing Dr. Nicole Apelian
  • Nicole’s story
  • What it’s like living with predators
  • Living with African Lions vs living with Mountain Lions
  • Who are the San Bushmen?
  • The status of the San Bushmen botanical knowledge
  • The obstacles the San Bushmen have faced over the years and how they are recovering
  • Cultural appropriation and romanticizing the hunter-gatherer lifeway
  • Alone in the wilderness vs community living
  • Egalitarianism & the relationship between men and women in the San Bushmen community
  • Raising babies, love and marriage in the San Bushmen community
  • The gift of timelessness
  • How Nicole fed herself during her time alone in the wilderness
  • Role of wild food and medicine in the future
  • The future of indigenous peoples living in their traditional lifeway
  • Nicole’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • Importance of prepping
  • How to connect with Nicole

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