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#212: Why Sales & Marketing Broke (And How to Rebuild a Modern Revenue System) ft. Tony J Hughes

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Why Sales & Marketing Broke (And How to Rebuild a Modern Revenue System) ft. Tony J Hughes

Most teams feel the symptoms — pipeline gaps, misaligned targets, MQL chaos, sellers chasing “now or never” deals.

But those are signals of a deeper problem: the revenue system itself is broken.

In this episode, we sit down with Tony J Hughes and Adem Manderovic to unpack why sales and marketing drifted apart… and how to rebuild a modern revenue system that actually matches how buyers make decisions today.

We get into:

  • Why predictable revenue models collapsed
  • How sales stopped validating the market
  • How marketing lost strategic direction to MQL targets
  • And how to replace the old funnel with a closed-circuit GTM system that creates control and credibility again.

We also talk ICP, cataloguing, air cover, performance gaps, and Tony’s new book Sentient — plus what AI means for the future of selling.

Tune in and learn:

  • Why the old sales & marketing playbooks broke
  • How to build a shared ICP that actually aligns both teams
  • Why cataloguing is the foundation for a modern GTM system
  • How to create air cover that supports real sales cycles
  • The future of selling in a world of advanced AI

If you’re a B2B marketer or sales leader stuck in the old predictable-revenue logic, this episode is your blueprint for rebuilding alignment and revenue performance from the ground up.

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🔗 Links + CTAs

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🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school

🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-gen...

💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-a...

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🧑‍🎓ACCESS our B2B COURSES: https://theb2bplaybook.com/courses

📺 YouTube:

/ @theb2bplaybook

📩 Newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter/

📚 Latest content: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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00:00 Why sales & marketing broke

01:02 Where misalignment actually began

03:10 Why inbound intent pushes sellers into a red ocean

06:20 How sales used to validate the market (and why it matters)

08:45 The ICP framework sales & marketing should share

11:15 Turning sales discovery into marketing air cover

13:55 How MQL targets fractured GTM

17:20 Cataloguing: foundation of a modern revenue system

20:05 Why frontline sales leadership is the weakest link

23:40 When sales & marketing target different lists

27:05 When to run a sales-led vs marketing-led motion

31:40 Talk to more of the market (not just in-market buyers)

34:05 Why feature-selling kills deals

38:35 RSVP vs BANT: a smarter way to qualify

42:10 What CMOs actually respond to in outreach

46:15 Adem’s journey to Closed Circuit Selling

50:05 Tony’s research: AI, AGI & the future of selling

53:40 Why every seller becomes a cyborg

55:05 Where to find Tony J Hughes

-----------------------------------------------------

👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team??

💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??)

Get the:

🔹 strategy

🔹 templates

🔹 tools

So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand.

See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator

https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-gen...

S07 E212 - The B2B Playbook

#b2bgrowth #b2bmarketing #sales #salesleadership #revenuearchitecture #demandgeneration #cataloguing #salesandmarketingalignment #tonyjhughes

  continue reading

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Why Sales & Marketing Broke (And How to Rebuild a Modern Revenue System) ft. Tony J Hughes

Most teams feel the symptoms — pipeline gaps, misaligned targets, MQL chaos, sellers chasing “now or never” deals.

But those are signals of a deeper problem: the revenue system itself is broken.

In this episode, we sit down with Tony J Hughes and Adem Manderovic to unpack why sales and marketing drifted apart… and how to rebuild a modern revenue system that actually matches how buyers make decisions today.

We get into:

  • Why predictable revenue models collapsed
  • How sales stopped validating the market
  • How marketing lost strategic direction to MQL targets
  • And how to replace the old funnel with a closed-circuit GTM system that creates control and credibility again.

We also talk ICP, cataloguing, air cover, performance gaps, and Tony’s new book Sentient — plus what AI means for the future of selling.

Tune in and learn:

  • Why the old sales & marketing playbooks broke
  • How to build a shared ICP that actually aligns both teams
  • Why cataloguing is the foundation for a modern GTM system
  • How to create air cover that supports real sales cycles
  • The future of selling in a world of advanced AI

If you’re a B2B marketer or sales leader stuck in the old predictable-revenue logic, this episode is your blueprint for rebuilding alignment and revenue performance from the ground up.

-----------------------------------------------------

🔗 Links + CTAs

-----------------------------------------------------

🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school

🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-gen...

💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-a...

-----------------------------------------------------

🧑‍🎓ACCESS our B2B COURSES: https://theb2bplaybook.com/courses

📺 YouTube:

/ @theb2bplaybook

📩 Newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter/

📚 Latest content: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

-----------------------------------------------------

00:00 Why sales & marketing broke

01:02 Where misalignment actually began

03:10 Why inbound intent pushes sellers into a red ocean

06:20 How sales used to validate the market (and why it matters)

08:45 The ICP framework sales & marketing should share

11:15 Turning sales discovery into marketing air cover

13:55 How MQL targets fractured GTM

17:20 Cataloguing: foundation of a modern revenue system

20:05 Why frontline sales leadership is the weakest link

23:40 When sales & marketing target different lists

27:05 When to run a sales-led vs marketing-led motion

31:40 Talk to more of the market (not just in-market buyers)

34:05 Why feature-selling kills deals

38:35 RSVP vs BANT: a smarter way to qualify

42:10 What CMOs actually respond to in outreach

46:15 Adem’s journey to Closed Circuit Selling

50:05 Tony’s research: AI, AGI & the future of selling

53:40 Why every seller becomes a cyborg

55:05 Where to find Tony J Hughes

-----------------------------------------------------

👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team??

💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??)

Get the:

🔹 strategy

🔹 templates

🔹 tools

So you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand.

See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B Incubator

https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-gen...

S07 E212 - The B2B Playbook

#b2bgrowth #b2bmarketing #sales #salesleadership #revenuearchitecture #demandgeneration #cataloguing #salesandmarketingalignment #tonyjhughes

  continue reading

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