Episode 193 - Education over Elevation (ft. The Conscious Lee)


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On this episode of the podcast Joe talks to George Lee aka The Conscious Lee. Lee and Joe discuss the importance of education in today's world, how to motivate people to make the change they seek, and ultimately how we can all make a more inclusive world.


About The Conscious Lee

Having grown up in the small town of Bryan, Texas, George’s personal experience with adversity still informs him to this day. Seeing the educational power of discomfort caused George to adopt a strategy which he calls “purposefully provocative” whereby people are placed into unfamiliar positions and situations which fosters critical engagement with different perspectives. People are primed to return to their routines and daily scripts, so being placed in an uncomfortable or new position forces people to think of new strategies and tactics outside of their own familiar experiences. George is a self-described “Edutainer” who seamlessly mixes education and entertainment to be purposefully provocative.

George holds a Bachelors in African & African American Studies, Master’s degrees both Human Relations and Adult Higher Education as well as Graduate Certificates in Women and Gendered Studies along with Human Resource and Diversity Development from the University of Oklahoma. He is currently leading the nationally renowned University of Oklahoma debate team as the Coordinator of Policy Debate while also being a Language Arts Public High School Teacher in Oklahoma City Public School District. In addition to his other positions he holds a professorship in the Social Work Department at the University of Oklahoma. George was celebrated as one of the best “debate-minds” in collegiate debate and was named in the top 20 College Policy Debaters of the past decade. He been featured in The Washington Post, The Atlantic, along with The New York Times and he co-hosts his own original podcast called, “The Chop Up”.

At the heart of George’s drive is the belief that Education is Elevation. Knowing and understanding other perspectives can create more informed decision making which leads to better outcomes for both you and others. Being purposefully provocative lets George educate his audiences through engaging experiences they would never otherwise have. The lynchpin of education is experience so George offers the necessary experiences to cause a shift in both mindset and action.

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