Ep. 138 – Security With Marcus Sailler of Capital Group


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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professional, Marcus Sailler to discuss his experience as the red team information security manager at Capital Group. Marcus shares some great tips on creating a successful security team and how you can prevent it from becoming the "No Police". They also go over the recent changes in the industry, including how big hacks have increased security awareness in the general public.

00:09 – Introduction to the new Security Awareness Series

01:28 – Introduction to Ryan MacDougall

Phishing as a Service (PHaaS)

Vishing as a Service (VaaS)


02:32 – Introduction to Marcus Sailler

04:20 – How Marcus got into information security

06:08 – Recent changes in the infosec industry- How a big hack increases security awareness

12:09 – How a red team and security awareness team can collaborate to enhance security

14:25 – Introduction to Capital Group

16:17 – Coming up with relevant attacks for a global company

18:08 – How a security team can avoid becoming the “No Police”

21:39 – Why it’s better to build a blue team first

22:24 – The importance of attitude and ego for a red teamer

25:04 – How a red team benefits from partnership

26:53 – Emulate the bad guy, but remember to be good

29:18 – Steps corporations should implement now

30:58 – Some of Marcus’ most respected industry professionals

Chris Hadnagy

David McGuire

Jason Frank

Jeff Dimmock

David Kennedy

Amanda Berlin

Ian Coldwater

Rachel Tobac

34:47 – Marcus' book recommendations

Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agent's User Manual for Behavior Prediction

The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love that Lasts

39:18 – Marcus' contact info



14:38 – Outro



The Innocent Lives Foundation

SEVillage: The Human Hacking Conference

Human Hacking Book Website

Human Hacking Book Amazon


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