More systems thinking with Sheryl Cababa

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S03E04 (#332). Two years on from when Sheryl Cababa released Closing The Loop, her book about systems thinking for designers, we hear Sheryls reflections and insights about what she’s learnt during that time and we grapple with the challenge of applying system thinking as designers “out of the box”.

We work in a complex space, with many complex as well as complicated issues, but making use of systems thinking doesn’t have to be complicated.

“I want a designer to pick up this book and discover some of these practical frameworks and bring it into their work environment as soon as the next week. Straight out of the box” – Sheryl Cababa

(Listening time: 49 minutes, transcript)

References:

• Full transcript for this episode
• Sheryl Cababa
  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa
• Closing the loop on Rosenfeld Media
• Participatory Design and Systems Thinking: So Happy Together (Sheryl’s talk at FBTB2024)
• Thinking in systems: a primer by Donna H Meadows
• The iceberg model
• Failure to distrupt by Justin Reich
• Thich Nhat Hanh – Don’t blame the lettuce
• James’s system map for a digital designer
  
• Recommended listening:
  • Episode 308: Systems thinking with Sheryl Cababa
  • Episode 242: Figure it out with Stephen Anderson and Karl Fast
• From Business To Buttons
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