The Future of Income-Share Agreements and Life as a Publicly-Traded Person with James Gallagher


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Erik is joined on this episode by James Gallagher (@jamesg_oca), publicly-traded person and researcher and writer in the income-share agreement space. They discuss: - What life is like as a publicly-traded person, including some funny stories from James's experiment. - How one's incentives are transformed by having “shareholders” and how this arrangement creates value for everyone involved. - The promise of ISAs to “leverage human potential at scale” and why they are a better replacement for debt financing. - How ISAs could spread from post-secondary education to hospitals, law offices, primary schools, and beyond. - James’s replies to some of the concerns expressed about income-share agreements. - His requests for startups in the space. Thanks for listening — if you like what you hear, please review us on your favorite podcast platform. Check us out on the web at or get in touch with us on Twitter @villageglobal. Venture Stories is brought to you by Village Global, is hosted by co-founder and partner, Erik Torenberg and is produced by Brett Bolkowy.

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