Why Civil Disobedience Can Lead To Systemic Change w/ Roger Hallam, Co-Founder of Extinction Rebellion

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Today's You've Been Warmed episode features Roger Hallam one of the co-founders of Extinction Rebellion - the mass civil disobedience movement that started in the UK which is credited by a lot of people for spreading awareness of our current climate crisis.

Roger was kind enough to give his time and jump on a pod with me. It's important to state that he did so in a personal capacity, so everything you will hear on this episode is his personal opinion and not the opinions expressed by Extinction Rebellion as an organization.

I knew Roger would be a fascinating guest to interview since I read his manifesto - Common Sense for The 21st Century. It was fascinating to dive into the thinking behind Extinction Rebellion - why they do what they do, how they build up a culture that can sustain their mission and stay within the peaceful protest they practice and also what concrete solutions they plan to bring forward so that people can have a say in how we make decisions in our democracies.

The entire conversation offers an interesting perspective which Roger believes constitutes a complete paradigm shift from how our society currently functions. I was pleasantly surprised at how he answered some of my follow-up questions, especially when it came to concrete solutions and forms of communication & organization which blend in-person debates with modern technology communication.

ROGER'S SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS

Roger's Website - https://www.rogerhallam.com/

Roger's Personal Twitter - https://twitter.com/RogerHallamCS21

His Book "Common Sense For The 21st Century" - https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-21st-Century-Nonviolent/dp/1645020002

TIMECODES

3:06 - Roger’s Background & The Research That Contributed To XR
8:20 - How They Cultivated The Culture They Wanted Within XR
12:27 - Their Expectations Before Launching XR & How They Were Met
16:02 - His Reponse To Recent Scientific Projections Of Warming By 2100
20:48 - What % Of People Do You Need For Civil Resistance To Work
26:00 - Why Citizens’ Assemblies Are The Solution After Generating Awareness
31:00 - An Example Of A Successful Citizens’ Assembly
35:38 - How Social Change Happens Through Human Emotion

40:14 - Society vs Politics Vs Business vs Science
44:09 - His Message To Listeners

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

Extinction Rebellion - https://rebellion.earth/

'Why Civil Resistance Works' Book - https://www.amazon.com/Why-Civil-Resistance-Works-Nonviolent/dp/0231156839

Citizens' assembly - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_assembly

Complexity Theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_theory_and_organizations

Fridays For Future - https://www.fridaysforfuture.org/

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