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By John Cutler, Tareq Ismail, John Cutler, and Tareq Ismail. Discovered by Player FM and our community — copyright is owned by the publisher, not Player FM, and audio is streamed directly from their servers. Hit the Subscribe button to track updates in Player FM, or paste the feed URL into other podcast apps.
John Cutler (@johncutlefish) and Tareq Ismail (@tareqismail) talk about how Product Managers and Designers can better navigate the beautiful mess that is building great products.