37: The Importance of Diversity in Engineering- with Dayna Johnson

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Meet Dayna Johnson

Dayna Johnson is the Emerging Technology Programs and Operations Leader at GE Gas Power. She joined GE in 2012 as a commercial manager for high-voltage electrical substations and has held a variety of roles since then, including participating in the Accelerated Leadership Program. Prior to GE, she worked as a civil engineer, designing water and wastewater projects.

She holds a BS in Civil Engineering and a Master of Engineering Management from Valparaiso University, and she is a licensed professional engineer. She is also the immediate past president of the Society of Women Engineers.

What's the importance of diversity in this space?

We're sad that it's still not very common to have women engineers. And despite the fact that The Society of Women Engineers has been around for decades, we still are struggling to get women interested and excited in it. When we talk about what value diversity brings, you can go to all of the studies and say, “Oh, companies that have diverse boards, companies that have diverse fill-in-the-blank, have higher ROIs, they have better metrics.” Put all that aside.

Let's just peel back the onion and talk about this at a big level. When we start talking about things like getting a design team together and coming up with requirements. The example I always use, which is a little grim is crash test dummies designed to the average male height, size, et cetera, as a result, women are more likely to be seriously injured or killed in car accidents. But that's like worst-case scenario. It can be when you talk about a group of laborers using gardening tools. They had a left-handed person who struggled to use the tool because it was made for a person who was right-handed.

So when we talk diversity, it's not just gender or what you look like. So I think when I think about it as an engineer, way bigger than just pushing diversity for the sake of pushing it because it really truly makes our outcomes better and our products better.

What struggles do women experience in this industry?

Yeah. One of the big ones I think is just the bias, right?

I'll be frank, right? My first job was very old school dealing with utilities, dealing with the good old boys club. For lack of a better phrase, the old white guys, and their bias was to have people that look like them around. It's those barriers, right?

How do you figure out the ways that you can help people see that they can be there? How do you help people understand that? I think it's really hard for women to really be seen in some of the biases out there. People can Google and learn about the tightrope bias of how to not go too far one way or the other.

There are all sorts of issues with women who want to be a strong, confident woman. And so they act the way a man would. That doesn't really work the same in the industry, right? You get penalized for acting like a man would.

Bias is one huge aspect, but you look across and this has been a very male-dominated field. And we talk about things like walking the shop floor. If you're on a job site, these are things that society hasn’t designed for women to be able to fit right into. So, when we talk about jobs where heavy lifting is required, you can say what you want, but stereotypically women can't lift as much as men. Or if we talk about even just being on the shop floor, safety gear is not as easy to find. So, when I was out in the field, out of college, I was trying to find long underwear because construction happens during the winter, right? Yeah. Women's long underwear is not created equal.

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