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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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A podcast that explores the why behind what keeps runners running long, strong, and motivated. Running is a sport that has the power to unite us all and we are here to share conversations about how running has shaped the lives of people within our community, as well as how running has created community in itself. From pro runners and Olympians to ultramarathoners running their first big race to business owners who use running to improve their entrepreneurial journey, we believe in creating c ...
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Dr. Megan Roche is back on the podcast by popular demand, to talk about all things running, coaching, science, and why a waffle cone is the secret to getting out of the pain cave! Megan is so many things, including one of the best athletes in the world, but today she describes herself as a lover of ice cream, adventures, and being weird! When she’s…
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This episode of For The Long Run was recorded live at the 2024 Boston Marathon in conjunction with PUMA. The panel includes Olympians Bill Rodgers, Molly Seidel, Dakotah Lindwurm, and is hosted by Jon Levitt. The conversation is inspired by PUMA’s “see the game through their eyes” campaign, understanding the sport of running through the eyes of eli…
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We celebrated a week with minimal life drama (YAY) before recording this great episode! The main training topic was a new study monitoring response v. non-response. Imagine two similar athletes who are given the the same training program. One could have breakthroughs, and one could face physical disaster. Why? We use the study to talk about how we …
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This episode of For The Long Run is with Corrine Malcolm. Corrine is a lot of things, but predominantly a runner who loves really good crusty bread with a lot of butter! She is a dog lover, wife, professional trail runner, coach, podcaster, editor-in-chief, sports commentator, scientist, and more! In this episode we talk about: -different ways to g…
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We got the surprise of our lives before recording this dazed-and-excited episode! The main topic was the Canyons 100k. It was Megan's dream race, and you may have seen... she did not start. We had some incredibly surprising news right before we boarded our flight to California for the race, and we process it in real-time on the episode. Hopefully t…
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Ezra describes himself as a nice Jewish boy from New York. He’s been running for four and a half years, completing half and full marathons, and especially loves the social side of the sport. Ezra is the founder of Nice Jewish Runners: a social run club for Nice Jewish Runners and friends. In this episode we talk about: -being inspired to run by Dav…
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We sipped on some of the finest, chalkiest electrolyte drink for this great episode! The main topic was gearing up for big events, spurred by Megan's upcoming adventure at the Canyons 100k. After the health issues, we were unsure whether we'd ever be able to have this sort of discussion on the podcast, and listeners have been there every step of th…
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In this episode, Mahi sits down with Haley Jones from the Atlanta Dream. Haley details her journey to the W, including winning an NCAA championship, and shares her thoughts on the upcoming Golden State WNBA team. She also offers insights on seeking internal validation and overcoming imposter syndrome during her time at Stanford. Check out the She C…
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We got extremely hyped watching the Boston Marathon before recording this amazing episode! The main training topic was a new study connecting carb intake during exercise to reduced central fatigue, leading to the researchers theorizing a link between "excess" carbs and improved neuromuscular function. The study protocol was weird and wild! Does thi…
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This episode is with Bermuda-based ultra runner and coach Sara Hole. Despite being a newer runner, Sara recently finished her first ultra marathon, calling herself a “shot shooter” and crediting her coach Megan Roche and Team SWAP. While running is a relatively new passion, Sara recalls being artistic and creative for as long as she can remember, d…
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This special bonus episode was recorded live in Boston ahead of the 2023 marathon. Jon interviews a diverse range of recreational runners curious about their running dreams and goals for this year’s Boston Marathon and beyond. From finish lines to favorable weather conditions, time goals and charity, we hear what motivates these athletes. FTLR x Pu…
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We enjoyed an all-expenses-paid ambulance trip before this amazing episode! The main topic was David's harrowing bike crash. The incredible paramedics said that the impact launched him 100 feet through the air. Somehow, the concussion, a broken wrist, and lacerations seem to be the worst of it. The legs are 100%! And as all runners know, wrists and…
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Meb comes from humble beginnings in Eritrea, where he was born in the middle of a war. His dad’s remarkable escape eventually brought Meb to the US where he learned English alongside how to run. Meb went on to represent Team USA in 4 Olympic Games, win the New York City and Boston Marathons, and much more. 2024 BM and 26 hats In this episode we tal…
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It's the 200th episode, and we brought so much gratitude to the party! The main topic was reflecting on 5 ways our approach to endurance training/coaching has changed, based on new research and real-world experience. The topics buffet is packed with goodness: extreme-carb fueling during hard efforts, heavier strength work (in moderation), less need…
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Back by popular request, Amelia Boone joins the podcast for her 4th appearance! Today, Amelia describes herself as an emo teenager trapped in a 40-year old’s body, and is totally cool with that! Beyond that, Amelia says she is finally becoming and making peace with herself, as a whole human outside of athletics. She is a mental health and eating di…
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We rode the inspiration wave from witnessing history for this great episode! The main topic was on the mind-boggling finish from Jasmin Paris at the Barkley Marathons. She is the first woman to finish the race, and we think it will go down as one of the most impressive endurance achievements ever. We break down why that is, and we proceed to eat so…
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This episode is with runner, content creator, podcast and YouTube sensation Tommie Runz. As per his Instagram bio, Tommie is a black sober runner on a mission to make stuff happen for himself and other people. He’s become known for documenting his own journey through podcasts, YouTube, and other media outlets, sharing his energy and experiences, go…
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We vibed with a new playlist (Taylor's version) before this great episode! The main training topic was a new study on fatigue resistance, which used a novel protocol for testing durability involving different levels of intensity. "Durability" research may be the most exciting part of modern performance science, and we broaden it out with real-world…
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This episode is with TrainingPeaks co-founder Dirk Friel. Dirk’s self identity has evolved through different phases of life. The first half of his life was spent chasing his dream as a professional cyclist all over the world; the second half has been spent founding and growing TrainingPeaks, a software company enabling smart and effective endurance…
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Marquis identifies as a simple person who loves to love on his people and be a bright light in his community. Humble to his core, Marquis lives his life with a smile on his face and others on his mind. After finishing his first marathon in 3:10, Marquis’ world has been transformed by running, and he uses it as a vehicle to give back, take chances, …
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We made questionable playlist decisions (arf arf) to get hyped for this amazing episode! The big topic was Lululemon's FURTHER event, a 6-day ultra in the California desert, full of intrigue and world records. Megan was on the ground as coach and science advisor, and she returns with a report that will blow your minds. What happens when a company i…
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Sabrina Little is an accomplished trail and ultra runner with 5 national titles. More than a runner, Sabrina is a wife, mom of two, philosophy professor, and a generally curious person. This episode really explores the why behind what keeps runners running long, and how external pressures like sponsorships impact this. Sabrina talks about the chara…
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We ate some business PB+Js to fuel up for this great episode! The main training topic was on fueling like your athletic life depends on it. Erase all of your preconceived notions and ask this question: When you're already tired and you're still a couple hours away from home, what do you do? If you're anything like many of the best endurance athlete…
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This episode is with For The Long Run’s own social media mastermind Angie Marie. Angie describes herself as a long hike in a National Park with added glamorous sprinkles and confetti, and not a touch of boring! She is an endurance athlete, author, host of the For The Love Of podcast, and creative who hates boredom and loves adding light-hearted adv…
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We put on some see-through pants for this great episode! The main training topic was on double workouts, involving two moderate sessions in a single day. Norwegian athletes are notorious for their double threshold days, and over the last few years, we have been using an adapted approach with the treadmill or cross-training that can be implemented f…
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This episode is with the founder of Gold Ivy Health Co. Andrea Herbert. Andrea is a woman on a mission to share honestly what it’s like to be a woman, human, and mom, inspiring her kids and community to do more along the way. She is also the host of the Ivy Unleashed podcast, health coach, and entrepreneur. In this episode we talk about: -role mode…
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We glugged some sugar with coffee and cream for this awesome episode! The main training topic was a new study breaking down the training of the 24-hour world-record holder. It gave us an excuse to talk about the trajectory of ultra training, and how we're in the midst of a fundamental shift in the sport at all levels. We also talked about a cool st…
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This episode is with runner, writer, and sobriety advocate Celeste Yvonne. A mom of 2, Celeste is not afraid to share how her struggles as a new mom became the catalyst for redefining her relationship with alcohol, running, and her body. Celeste recently published her first book, “It's Not About the Wine”, and we dive into the story behind it, how …
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We just got back from a joyful and intense weekend at the Black Canyon 100k, arguably the most competitive ultra on US soil! Endurance sports are in the midst of a fundamental shift in what's possible, from the winners to the final finishers. This year's Black Canyon was a mind-blowing demonstration of how the game is changing, with tons of lessons…
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This episode is with Skratch Labs founder, coach, and exercise physiologist Dr. Allen Lim. In his mind, Allen is no different from most people: a complicated person with very simple needs. After a long career in the professional cycling industry, Allen applied his sports science skills to founding and growing Skratch Labs, a sports nutrition compan…
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It was the ultimate celebration episode, on a high from watching the Olympic Marathon Trials! We talked about some of our favorite storylines from the most exciting race on US soil: training partners finishing together (and our conspiracy theory), the next big star is born for female marathoners, an Olympian who walked onto her D2 college team, and…
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This episode with Oiselle CEO Arielle Knutson is the final in a Oiselle-sponsored series leading up to the 2024 Marathon Olympic Trials. A wife, dog mom, and friend, Arielle juggles her corporate responsibilities -first as the long-time marketing manager at Nuun and now as Oiselle CEO- with a life on the run. Arielle, ultrarunner and Ironman triath…
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We rolled up our shorts to their full upright and locked positions for this spicy episode! A big topic was the final installment in our trilogy of updates on tensions surrounding UTMB. The letter sent by Kilian Jornet and Zach Miller to fellow pros added fuel to a fire that started at the grassroots level, finally leading to a response from UTMB. W…
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This bonus episode is all about the ups and downs of a running life, filled with actionable advice for every runner. Hosted by Jon Levitt, our guest panel includes Kara Goucher, Briana Boehmer, Noah Droddy, and Sara Vaughn. In this episode we talk about: -why choose running? -combining big goals with a love of the process -dealing with “failure” an…
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A former Bostonian now living in Denver, Rosa Moriello is a multisport athlete who finds joy running on the roads and trails, climbing, and skiing. Set to compete in the upcoming 2024 Marathon Olympic Trials in Orlando, Florida, Rosa is one of America’s best marathoners, and is using her platform to fundraise for Orlando's LGBTQ Youth. More than a …
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We chugged some chocolate whole milk to fuel this amazing episode! The main training topic was on why testosterone levels are relevant for all endurance athletes. While individuals have different genetic set-points for testosterone, studies on men and women show that training and fueling interventions can change baseline levels. Those changes can b…
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This episode with Elena Hayday is the fourth in a Oiselle-sponsored series with the Underbirds: a team of 5 female athletes being supported by Oiselle in the lead up to the 2024 Marathon Olympic Trials. More than a runner, Elena is a full-time researcher in healthcare, cat mom, sister and daughter. From start to present, community has been at the h…
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We had fire (and iron) flowing through our veins for this awesome episode! There is a big development in the UTMB controversy: reports that legends Kilian Jornet and Zach Miller sent a letter to some of the best athletes in the world considering a boycott of this year's races. We talk about what we think it means through the lens of negotiation the…
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This special 300th episode of the For The Long Run podcast is with coaching extraordinaire, and one half of the Some Work All Play (SWAP) power couple, David Roche. As well as being Jon’s coach of over 2000 days, David is the husband to SWAP co-coach Megan, dad to Leo, and an accomplished athlete himself. On and off the trails, David can be found h…
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We ate the world's largest lunches to get ready for this awesome episode! The main training discussion was on tempo running. What even is a tempo? Coaches and physiologists all disagree, leaving athletes in an uncertain spot. We cut through the noise with the help of a 2019 study looking at what training elements most strongly correlate with long-t…
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This edition of the podcast features sports journalist and production assistant for NBC Bay Area, Ashmere Prasad. She shares her experience studying journalism at the University of Oregon and sheds light on her current role with NBC. Ashmere also shares her experience as a South Asian in sports media and learning to report for multiple sports. Chec…
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This episode with Carrie Verdon is the fourth in a Oiselle-sponsored series with the Underbirds: a team of 5 female athletes being supported by Oiselle in the lead up to the 2024 Marathon Olympic Trials. A proud Boulder-ite, Carrie is a sister, girlfriend, and outdoor enthusiast, who juggles a full-time job as a teacher with elite running. In this …
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We are coming in hot with some big 2024 energy! The main topic was a deeper science corner breakdown of the new study that challenges conventional wisdom on protein consumption. This research could change how you think about daily fueling, with potential benefits for adaptation and recovery. We geek out on the methodology, featuring an isotope-tagg…
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This episode with Briana Boehmer is the third in a Oiselle-sponsored series with the Underbirds: a team of 5 female athletes being supported by Oiselle in the lead up to the 2024 Marathon Olympic Trials. More than an accomplished runner, Briana is a friend, wife, entrepreneur and small business owner, working to leave the world a better place. Unli…
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Welcome to a very special holiday episode! We started with our thoughts on a new study on protein intake that challenges everything we previously thought about protein metabolism. It's one of our favorite studies of all time, and it's destined to reshape the field of nutrition science! But the bulk of the episode was reading from "secrets" sent in …
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This episode is with Tony DiPasquale: dog parent, ultra trail runner, lover of all things outdoors. An established content creator, photographer, and videographer, Tony took a leap of faith in pursuing his passion for his profession, hence why he is now better known as “Tony with a Sony”. Tony currently resides in San Francisco, but is a proud New …
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We brought some big-time celebration vibes for this holiday episode! The main training topic was on the body of literature connecting strength work to running economy improvements. Wherever you look, there seem to be agreements mixed with contradictions, and we sprinkle some spicy controversy flakes on top of it all. Our take? Endurance athletes sh…
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This episode is with Ken Rideout, one of the fastest masters marathoners in the World, father of 4, financier, and much more. His accomplishments have not come easy, and Ken is the first to point out his losses along the way, including struggles with mental health and addiction, suffering in silence as a functioning junkie 24/7 for 10 years. Ken ca…
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We loaded up on some fish candy to bring you an awesome episode! The first study of the day blew our minds, showing that just a few weeks of high-dose Omega 3 supplementation reduced some markers of heart stress after steep downhill running. We used to think that Omega 3 pills were boring, and now we have 4 jars in the pantry. Talk about some sexy …
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Grayson Murphy is a 2x World Champion and hybrid athlete, competing at the elite level of track, road, and trail running. Much more than a fast runner, Grayson is the founder and CEO of RG Training Logs, all-around kind person and spreader of joy, even amid her own physical and mental health challenges. In this episode we talk about: -highlighting …
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