Welcome to The Gray Divorce Podcast. Join Divorce Financial Advisor and Retirement Planning Counsellor Andrew Hatherley and guest experts as they help late life divorcees build the financial foundation for a meaningful life after divorce. There is life after divorce!
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This is the place where tech workers come to get smarter about their money. Hosted by CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™, speaker, blogger, and self-proclaimed personal finance nerd Malcolm Ethridge, this show seeks to shake up the traditional approach to personal finance and make concepts such as investing, tax planning, real estate, cryptocurrency, insurance, equity compensation and other executive benefits more accessible to the tech community. Once referred to as the "Stuart Scott of personal ...
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Special 50th Edition of The Gray Divorce Podcast
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Send us a text Andrew celebrates the 50th episode of the podcast by reviewing your five favorite episodes. He also discusses the origins of the podcast In the hope that it might inspire listeners to get started on their own creative projects. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please v…
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Send us a text In Episode 49 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the question of whether money can buy happiness. He discusses recent research that suggests a high degree of correlation between money and happiness. He discusses previous research which suggested limits to the correlation and tries to find some common ground. Thanks for lis…
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Business Valuation in Divorce with Jennifer Allen CPA, ABV
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Send us a text Andrew chats with Jennifer Allen, a business valuation specialist based in Las Vegas. They discuss the importance of business valuation in divorce. How do business buyouts work? What does she look for in business financials to detect attempts to undervalue the business? What happens when each party brings in their own business valuat…
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Life After Gray Divorce - Rebuilding Overseas with Jeff Opdyke
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Send us a text In episode 47 of The Gray Divorce Podcast Andrew chats with writer and international traveler Jeff Opdyke. Jeff went through a midlife divorce at age 50, after a 25-year marriage. Shortly after the divorce his life was shaken again when he lost his job. But Jeff is now flourishing. He's remarried, living overseas and writing professi…
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Finding Hidden Cash in Divorce with Laurie Dyke CPA, CFF, CFE
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Send us a text In Episode 46 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with Laurie Dyke, a Certified Public Accountant, Certified in Financial Forensics and Certified Fraud Examiner. They discuss some of the ways a spouse may hide cash or intentionally undervalue marital assets, such as a business, in divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very gra…
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Resetting after Gray Divorce - The Importance of Gratitude
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Send us a text In Episode 45 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew discusses the importance of practicing gratitude both during and after divorce. He discusses the psychological and physical benefits of gratitude and offers some tips on how to bring more gratitude into your life while going through or emerging from divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd…
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83. Improving Your Relationship with Money with Hanna Horvath
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In this episode of Tech Money Live, Malcolm chats with special guest, Hanna Horvath, of Bankrate and "Your Brain on Money," to discuss her work as a personal finance writer, and her passion for helping people understand the ways in which their background, social conditioning, and personalities all influence the way they think and handle and talk ab…
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Send us a Text Message. In Episode 44 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I discuss the legal costs of divorce. I look at four different divorce processes; traditional litigious divorce through the courts, Collaborative Divorce, mediation and the Amicable Divorce Network and discuss the financial costs of each. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful …
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Living Abroad After Gray Divorce, Part 2 with Jennifer Stevens, Editor of International Living
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Send us a text In Episode 43 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with the editor of International Living magazine Jennifer Stevens in the second of a two-part discussion. They discuss the results of International Living’s Global Retirement Index, an annual survey of the best countries in the world to retire. Thanks for listening! We'd be very…
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82. Beyond Bitcoin: Is there More to Crypto?
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In this episode of Tech Money Live, Malcolm chats with special guest, Ryan Rasmussen, of Bitwise Asset Management to discuss cryptocurrency as an entire asset class beyond Bitcoin. The pair delve into into broader landscape of cryptocurrencies, including the emerging technologies and diverse applications that are shaping the future of finance. Whil…
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Coaching Stepparents at all Stages of Life with Maria Natapov
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Send us a text In Episode 42 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with Stepparenting Coach Maria Natapov. They discuss Maria’s focus on helping her clients confidently blend their families through all stages of life. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retire…
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81. How to Build an Investment Portfolio from Scratch
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In this episode of Tech Money Live, Malcolm lays out a playbook for how to construct an investment portfolio from scratch. Inspired by a recent blog post and feedback received from the Tech Money community, Malcolm walks through his own approach to investing, and also shares plenty of helpful resources for investors at all phases on the journey. Jo…
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Living Abroad After Gray Divorce, Part 1 with Jennifer Stevens, Editor of International Living
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Send us a text In Episode 41 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with the editor of International Living magazine Jennifer Stevens in the first of a two-part discussion. They discuss some of the benefits of living internationally and some of the key concerns that people moving overseas may have. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if …
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Working with Men as a Relationship Engineer with Bob Wischer
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Send us a text In Episode 40 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with Life and Health Coach Bob Wischer. A self-described “relationship engineer” Bob is the founder of Heart Forged Coaching and the host of the Men Becoming Better Men podcast. They discuss Bob’s focus on coaching men after mid-late life divorce after he experienced his own mid…
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Working with Women as a Divorce Coach with Nanette Murphy
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Send us a text In Episode 39 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, Andrew chats with Life, Health, and Divorce Coach Nanette Murphy. They discuss Nanette’s focus on coaching women through mid-late life divorce after she experienced her own mid-life divorce after decades of marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podca…
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Estate Planning and Gray Divorce with Attorney Amanda Wedl
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Send us a text In Episode 38 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I chat with attorney Amanda Wedl. We discuss the topic of estate planning and gray divorce. What are some “must dos” and “must avoids” for older divorcees to ensure that their last wishes are fulfilled, whether they die after the divorce or even during the divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd…
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80. The State of the Tech Worker with Alex Kantrowitz
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In this episode, Malcolm Ethridge sits down with Alex Kantrowitz, Founder/CEO of Big Technology to discuss many different topics affecting tech workers, such as whether mass layoffs in tech are finally done, the likelihood that AI actually replaces knowledge workers, as well as Alex’s own journey from working in tech to reporting on it. Join the Te…
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All About Pre-Nups and Post-Nups with Attorney Molly Rosenblum
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Send us a text In Episode 37 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I chat with attorney Molly Rosenblum. We discuss the topic of prenuptial and postnuptial agreements. What are they and why should a couple have a pre-nup before marriage or get a post-nup after marriage? Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give u…
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Divorce and Finances - A Chat with Carol Lee Roberts, IDFA President
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Send us a text In episode 36 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I am interviewed by Carol Lee Roberts, president of the Institute for Divorce Financial Analysts. In our conversation, we talk about the role of the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst in divorce, and I share my experience working with older divorcing people. Thanks for listening! We'd be ve…
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Important Retirement Plan Changes: The Implications for Late Life Divorce
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Send us a text In Episode 35 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I discuss the impact of recent congressional legislation relating to retirement plans. The Secure Act 2.0 contains 92 new provisions which could affect the financial decisions of people getting divorced, both in the short run and the long run. Download the checklist of the issues covered in …
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Send us a text In Episode 34 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I discuss the two very important financial planning tools to help you before, during and after the divorce process, your budget and your net worth calculation. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retirement…
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Reverse Mortgages and Gray Divorce with John Drennen, CDLP
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Send us a text In Episode 33 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I chat with Certified Divorce Lending Professional John Drennen. We discuss the topic of reverse mortgages, an often misunderstood financing option for older homeowners. You can download the Client Data File here. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast …
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All About Gray Divorce and the Origins of the Podcast
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Send us a text In Episode 32 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I am a guest on Real Talk Las Vegas, a YouTube program hosted by Las Vegas realtor Joe DiRaffaele. Joe and I talk about how the Gray Divorce and how The Gray Divorce Podcast came into being. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Pl…
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Should I Stay or Should I Go? Discernment Counseling with Linda Hershman, LMFT
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Send us a text In Episode 31 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I chat with Marriage and Family Therapist Linda Hershman. We discuss the subject of discernment counseling, a short-term counseling approach designed to deal with the question of whether you should stay in your marriage. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the p…
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Know Yourself! The Wheel of Life - Tools for Growth after Gray Divorce, Part 4
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Send us a text In Episode 30 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I discuss the coaching tool known as The Wheel of Life. I review the tool, discuss how you might use it in your life and offer a few thoughts as to its efficacy. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit Transcend Retireme…
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Know Yourself! Ikigai - Tools for Growth After Gray Divorce, Part 3
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Send us a text In Episode 29 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I discuss the Japanese concept of Ikigai, or meaning and purpose in one's life. I review the concept and offer some practical tips on how you might find some ikigai in your life. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars! Please visit T…
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Send us a text In this episode, I chat with Pet Custody Mediator Karis Nafte. Karis discusses the key issues that can arise in the process of deciding who keeps the pets in divorce. We also discuss the special situations of older adults and their pets. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us 5 stars…
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Send us a text In this episode, I talk about the team approach to divorce. Attorneys specialize in the law. But divorce is about money and emotions are involved. Listen to why it makes sense to bring in other professionals to help you get through the process. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the podcast and give us …
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The Perils of DIY Divorce with Attorney Philip Spradling
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Send us a text In this episode, I chat with Attorney Philip Spradling. Philip discusses the problems that can arise when couples decide to divorce themselves without the assistance of an attorney. DIY divorce can be just as problematic as a long, drawn-out contentious divorce. Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subscribe to the po…
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How to Shape a Life of Money and Meaning with Brian Portnoy
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Send us a text In this episode, I chat with Brian Portnoy. Brian is one of the world's leading experts on the psychology of money. Our discussion focuses on his book The Geometry of Wealth. We discuss the important distinction between being rich and being wealthy and the role money plays in what Brian terms “funded contentment.” Thanks for listenin…
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Ready for Divorce? A Chat with "Recovering" Divorce Lawyer Karen Covy
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Send us a text In this episode, I chat with “recovering” attorney and divorce coach Karen Covy. Karen talks about her dislike for the divorce system in the United States and how she transitioned to work as a divorce coach. Karen distinguishes between the work of a divorce coach and a therapist and encourages divorcing parties to a team approach to …
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Real Estate Financing and Divorce with Tami Wollensak, CDLP
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Send us a text In episode 23 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I talk to Tami Wollensak, a Certified Divorce Lending Professional based in Chicago, Illinois. We discussed the important role of divorce mortgage planning in the divorce process and how a divorce mortgage professional can work with a family law attorney to help their client with future fina…
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Know Yourself! The VIA Character Strengths Survey - Tools for Growth After Gray Divorce, Part 2
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Send us a text In Episode 22 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I look at our character strengths. Are we aware of what they are? And how can we use them to heal and thrive in the wake of mid-late life divorce? I discuss The VIA Survey of Character Strengths and how it can help gray divorcees move on with their lives. Thanks for listening! We'd be very g…
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Know Yourself! The Big Five Personality Tests - Tools for Growth After Gray Divorce Part 1
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Send us a text In Episode 21 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I ask the question “Do we really understand ourselves? You may be surprised at the answer. This podcast is the first of two parts. In part one, I discuss The Big 5 Personality Test and how it can help gray divorcees move on with their lives by taking that important first step of really comin…
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What is Amicable Divorce? with Tracy Moore-Grant, Founder, The Amicable Divorce Network
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Send us a text In Episode 20, I welcome Tracy Ann Moore-Grant, a family law attorney practicing in northern Georgia and the founder of the Amicable Divorce Network. We discuss the Amicable Divorce Process, a non-adversarial approach to divorce, an alternative dispute resolution process designed to keep divorcing couples out of court. By the way, I …
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Send us a text In this episode, I discuss the danger in using outdated economic statistics in discussing the economic consequences of divorce for men and women. If we are to improve the situation for women and men emerging from divorce, we should only start from an accurate understanding of the current environment. Thanks for listening! We'd be ver…
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The Practice of Holistic Divorce with Dara Marias
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Send us a text In this episode, I speak with Dara Marias, who oversees the Holistic Divorce Practice at Kainen Law Group in Las Vegas. We discuss the three key areas of Dara's practice: holistic divorce education, divorce mediation, and amicable divorce representation. We review the core concepts of holistic divorce education and how they can be in…
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Dating After Gray Divorce with Maria Spears, Part II
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Send us a text In episode 17 of The Gray Divorce Podcast, I welcome back dating and love coach Maria Spears. In the second part of our conversation about dating after gray divorce, we focus on the nuts and bolts of real-world dating once the recent divorcee has decided to take the plunge and enter the world of dating after divorce. We talk about on…
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Adult Children of Gray Divorce with Dr. Carol Hughes
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Send us a text In this episode, I talk with Dr. Carol Hughes about a much-neglected subject in the gray divorce world: adult children of gray divorce. We discuss why the impact of gray divorce on adult children is often dismissed, the unique challenges adult children of divorce contend with, and things that older parents and adult children can do t…
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In this episode, Malcolm Ethridge shares the reasons why he believes it’s (almost) always a good idea to take your 401(k) with you whenever you change jobs or retire. He also shares some of the potential pitfalls to be aware of, as well as some helpful insights about a little known option available to those who own substantial shares of their compa…
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78. Going from Saver to Spender in Retirement
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In this episode, Malcolm Ethridge discusses the phenomenon of frugality inertia, and why it keeps retirees from being able to enjoy their retirement. He shares his insights on how it can help to reframe your focus and spend that retirement nest egg on things that will enhance your quality of life, ultimately leading to a happier and healthier versi…
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Divorce Mortgage Planning with Jody Bruns
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Send us a text In this episode I speak to the founder of the Divorce Lending Association, Jody Bruns. We talk about divorce mortgage planning and the role a Certified Divorce Lending Professional can play in the divorce process. We pay special attention to options and strategies Gray divorcees have with lenders. Thanks for listening! We'd be very g…
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77. The Latest on Crypto Regulation with Andie Kramer
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In recent years, the rise of digital currencies has revolutionized the way we think about money and finance, with more and more individuals and businesses embracing the potential of blockchain technology. However, with this rapid growth has come a significant amount of uncertainty and confusion around the legal and regulatory frameworks that govern…
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Mediating High Conflict Divorce with Liz Merrill
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Send us a text In this episode, I discuss High Conflict Divorce with mediator Liz Merrill. We talk about recognizing high-conflict personalities and how to deal with them both as a mediator but also as a spouse. We break down the mediation process and discuss the overused term “narcissist.” Thanks for listening! We'd be very grateful if you'd subsc…
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76. How to Know Whether Options Belong in Your Portfolio with Jessica Inskip
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Investing is a way to grow your money over time, and secure your financial future. When you invest without a clear plan, you're more likely to make decisions based on emotions, rather than logic. You may be tempted to buy a stock because it's the latest hot trend or sell a stock because you're afraid of losing money. However, when you invest with a…
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75. Navigating Money and Divorce with Andrew Hatherley
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Nobody enters a marriage expecting to get divorced. Yet, regardless of our best intentions, relationships can and do fall apart. While the emotional roller coaster of divorce is difficult enough, the added frustration of financial litigations can make a situation that much worse. Unfortunately, the current system of divorce in the United States doe…
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Send us a text Episode 13 of The Gray Divorce Podcast focuses on divorce after 65. While many people realize that the divorce rate for people over the age of 50 has gone up over the past 30 years while the divorce rate has dropped for younger people, fewer realize that couples getting divorced after 65 are really the engine pulling the gray divorce…
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74. Avoiding Burnout as a Tech Worker with Michael Lin
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Picture this: you’re working for one of the FANG companies, in a high-paying role, with unlimited PTO, free food, and plenty of responsibility -- sounds pretty ideal right? But there’s one big problem: you can’t take it anymore. On one hand, you feel guilty because you’ve ascended to a position many of your peers could only dream of. On the other, …
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73. The Rising Trend of Social Investing with Manning Field
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The most common example of social trading is when individual investors follow successful traders on social trading platforms and copy their trades. This can help investors who lack the time, experience, or confidence to invest on their own to achieve similar returns to more experienced traders. But, if you’ve ever traded stocks or crypto on Robinho…
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Dating After Gray Divorce with Maria Spears
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Send us a text In this episode, I speak with dating and love coach Maria Spears. Maria empowers her clients to date smarter and confidently choose a compatible life partner. Maria discusses what she has learned from studying dating and relationships and how she works with clients after experiencing mid-life divorce herself. Thanks for listening! We…
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