The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond. The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
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Welcome to the Inner Green Deal podcast where we talk to inspiring guests about the human dimension of sustainability and explore the link between our personal journeys and the positive impact we can have on the world. Hosted by Tamsin Walker. Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
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How Should the new EU Commission engage with China?
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and Abigaël Vasselier assess the new reality of EU-China relations and explain why the European Union must prepare for a much more difficult relationship with China. This episode is part of the ZhōngHuá Mundus series of The Sound of Economics. ZhōngHuá Mundus…
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The Transforming Act of Giving l with Nipun Mehta, Founder of ServiceSpace | S4E8
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We are welcoming Nipun Mehta, founder of ServiceSpace, a global movement that touches millions of people through the merging of volunteerism, technology and the gift-economy. Tamsin spoke to Nipun about the potential and far-reaching impacts of an unexpected act of kindness. Not only for the recipient, but for oneself, society and the world at larg…
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Population ageing is straining public debt
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Bruegel Senior fellow Zsolt Darvas and Jennifer D. Sciubba, President and CEO of the Population Reference Bureau from Washington DC. Together, they explore the findings of Darvas’ recent paper on the effects of demographic changes on public debt sustainability, which was pre…
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Conversation with Eurogroup president Paschal Donohoe: Strengthening EU public finances, defence and security
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Eurogroup president Paschal Donohoe and Bruegel Senior fellow Guntram Wolff to discuss the EU's dire defence and security challenges and the role of public finances. They also discuss Wolff's latest report on Europe's and Germany's slow rearmament, particularly compared to R…
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Unite, defend, grow: EU policy for the next five years
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The Memos to the European Union leadership have been a Bruegel tradition since 2009. Every five years – after the European elections but before a new European Commission takes office – we take stock of EU economic policies, reflect on the EU's main challenges, make recommendations on how the new leadership should address them. In this episode of Th…
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Barefoot economics | with Inez Aponte | S4E7
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The language we use to talk about things shapes our perception of the world. The more we use certain terms, the more entrenched our perspectives become. What if we started describing things in a new way? Tamsin Walker sat down with Inez Aponte to talk about how different ways of measuring success can lead to a more connected and ultimately healthy …
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Through crises and their solutions – A farewell to Maria Demertzis
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Maria Demertzis sits down in the studio of The Sound of Economics for one last time in her capacity as Senior fellow and Bruegel’s former Deputy director. In this episode, she reflects on the eight years of her work. What have been the major challenges for the EU and how has Bruegel responded to them? Why does she feel strongly about financial vuln…
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Making buildings greener: EU decarbonisation plans
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By 2030, the European Union must reduce emissions from the heating and cooling of buildings – responsible for 13 percent of EU emissions – by the equivalent of the annual emissions of Slovakia. In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Michael Pahle, Marion Santini and Giovanni Sgaravatti to discuss how greener buil…
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Archive: What if Trump wins again? The role of Compassion in politics l With Bryan Welch
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In this episode, originally recorded during the 2020 elections, Inner Green Deal co-founder Jeroen Janss spoke to Bryan Welch, leading publisher on sustainability, former CEO of mindful.org and committed rancher from Kansas. He asked Bryan how he felt about the prospect of a second-term Donald Trump presidency and what a contested election means fo…
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Narratives and reality: China’s economic engagements in Africa
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and Eric Olander to explore China’s economic engagements in Africa, both in the historical and the modern-day context. They also discuss the criticisms China faces from African countries and the West when it comes to foreign direct investment, trade, opacity …
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How hydrogen can reach its green potential
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie is joined by Bruegel fellow Ben McWilliams and Johanna Schiele, a Policy Officer at the Innovation Fund in the European Commission, to discuss the benefits and challenges of hydrogen as a clean energy source. Throughout this episode, they explore whether hydrogen could be used as alternati…
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Tariffs are not the cure to world trade problems
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie discusses the current global trade landscape with Penny Naas, of the German Marshall Fund and Atlantic Council, and Niclas Poitiers from Bruegel. They explore the challenges of balancing economic resilience, protectionism, and the push for green technologies amid these transformations. Naa…
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Rebecca Christie sits down with Jean Pisani-Ferry and André Sapir to discuss the upcoming parliamentary elections in France, amidst growing voter dissatisfaction and legislative gridlock. They discuss the political intrigues behind the upheaval and highlight the potential consequences of a National Rally-dominated assembly, which could obstruct Eur…
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Becoming resilient l with Chris Tamdjidi | S4E6
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Despite the importance of resilience, many myths continue to exist. In this episode we take a deeper dive and explore the nature of resilience and how to cultivate it collectively. Our guest is Chris Tamdjidi, co-author of The Resilient Culture and co-founder of Awaris, a global consulting and training company. Tamsin Walker spoke to Chris about wh…
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Electrified tensions: EU's proposed tariffs on Chinese EVs
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In October 2023, the European Union launched an investigation into whether Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers were receiving unfair subsidies which give them an advantage in the market. In June 2024, the European Commission announced the preliminary conclusion that it would levy additional tariffs of between 17.4ؘ–38% on Chinese electric v…
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EU-UK relations: Brexit, Scotland, Ireland
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Tony Connelly, Europe editor of Irish public service broadcaster RTÉ, and David Gow, who chairs the Royal Society of Edinburgh's EU-Scotland initiative. They discuss EU-UK relations after Brexit, how Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales fit into the picture, upcoming British…
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Post-elections pause and an invitation to reach out and listen.
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In this very short episode following the European elections, we offer a pause to reflect on the divisions revealed by the elections and invite you to join us for a short exercise. While the knee-jerk reaction might be to seek distance from 'the other side', could that ultimately lead to deeper polarisation? In this special episode, we introduce a b…
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How the financial sector can speed up the green transition
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Bruegel’s non-resident fellow Dirk Schoenmaker presents his latest book ‘Corporate Finance for Long-Term Value’ with host Rebecca Christie and CFO at Nederlandse Gasunie, Janneke Hermes. They talk about how corporate finance and sustainability can go together. New models can help firms quantify the cost of…
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The power of citizens I with Jon Alexander | S4E5
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We only need to walk down a street, open a browser or turn on the TV to understand that we are being addressed as consumers. But what if behind that narrative, there were another waiting to step into the limelight and reshape the communities and countries in which we live? Jon Alexander, author or Citizens, Why the Key to Fixing Everything Is All o…
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Bruegel and the Financial Times partnered up to host a debate featuring lead candidates from major EU political parties on EU economic issues, namely growth, the single market, economic security and the EU budget. The participants of the debate were: Sandro Gozi, Renew Europe Now Ursula von der Leyen, The European People's Party Nicolas Schmit, the…
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Should foreign companies still do business in China?
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan talks to Bruegel Senior fellow Alicia García-Herrero and President of the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China, Jens Eskelund, about foreign companies doing business and investing in China. They discuss the difficulties of navigating current geopolitical tensions as well as China’s domest…
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Managing the What Ifs: Europe, China and world trade
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In a world of increasing uncertainties, the European Union’s need to protect itself from new shocks is on the rise. Pandemic-related supply disruptions, the energy crisis provoked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and economic coercion coming from China have all shown that the EU needs to do more to prepare itself for what may come. But how should E…
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NATO and the EU - who does what for European defence?
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The relationship between the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is at the heart of efforts to help Ukraine after Russia's 2022 invasion. How do the alliances work together and how can further cooperation help? In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie speaks with Oana Lungescu, who served as the longest serv…
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How does the EU manage its increasingly vast number of digital laws? Bertin Martens, Kai Zenner and Rebecca Christie discuss how these rules are made, how they work together and how they fit in with the EU's goal of better regulation in this episode of The Sound of Economics. Relevant research: A dataset on EU legislation for the digital world, Bru…
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Learning from our rivers | with Li An Phoa | S4E4
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We talk to Li An Phoa, founder of the charity Drinkable Rivers about her work towards a world with waterways so clean that we can sip from their banks. Her mission started in 2005 when she canoed the full length of the Rupert river in Canada, drinking fresh water from it as she went. When she returned there just three years later, she was met with …
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and Paul Triolo to discuss China’s innovation drive and how it compares with the US on key technologies, including semiconductors, green technology and biotech. They delve into how China climbed up the technology ladder, the impact of current geopolitical ten…
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What visions for Europe? Unpacking EU parties’ economic strategies
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Bruegel and the Financial Times partnered up to host a debate featuring representatives from EU political parties on EU economic issues, specifically competitiveness and growth, economic security and green transition. Rebecca Christie sits down with Bruegel Senior fellow Heather Grabbe, FT Europe correspondent Andy Bounds, also moderator of the deb…
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Climate change, the next big financial threat
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Climate change is a rising threat to European financial stability, says European Stability Mechanism chief economist Rolf Strauch on this episode of The Sound of Economics. Together with Bruegel non-resident fellow Stavros Zenios and host Rebecca Christie, Strauch discusses how the EU can rally to protect itself from future shocks and keep its sove…
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1982: the debt crisis that could have destroyed Western banking
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Science Po professor Jérôme Sgard discusses his new book on the debt crisis of the 1980s on this episode of The Sound of Economics, with host Rebecca Christie and award-winning book author and journalist Paul Blustein. They explore the shockwaves that hit developing countries during this period, starting with the quasi-default of Mexico in 1982, as…
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One grid to rule them all? The future of a European single electricity market
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In this episode of the sound of economics, Rebecca Christie invites Georg Zachmann and Christian Zinglersen to talk about the ambitious idea of creating a more integrated European electricity market. They discuss the drastic change in Europe’s energy outlook, as we switch from a world of fossil imports to mostly domestic electricity production. The…
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European Union leaders want to breathe new life into the Capital markets union, the decade-old project to reduce fragmentation and put finance to work for the single market. In this episode of the Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Thomas Wieser, former President of the Eurogroup Working Group and chair of the EU's 2019 High Level …
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Imagining reality and beyond | with Phoebe Tickell, Imagination Activist | S4E3
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Living within us all, imagination has no small role to play in rethinking the world of today and tomorrow. But how do we harness its phenomenal power? That is the question at the heart of this month's episode of the Inner Green Deal podcast. Phoebe Tickell, founder of Moral Imaginations and former scientist, talks about the importance of imaginatio…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and Zichen Wang to talk about China’s Two Sessions, the Chinese government's annual plenary sessions of the National People's Congress (NPC) and of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), held from 4–11 March 2024. They discuss the gro…
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How war in Ukraine brought Europe together
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Two years after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the European Union has held together rather than let the conflict divide it. Rebecca Christie discusses the EU’s shifts on trade, energy security and economic cooperation with André Sapir and Ben McWilliams. They discuss how the bloc weaned itself off Russian fossil fuels in record time, adju…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie is joined by Bertin Martens, Bruegel Senior fellow and Werner Stengg, expert of EVP Margrethe Vestager’s cabinet. They explore the complexities of artificial intelligence (AI) regulation, focusing on the European Union's AI Act. They discuss the goals and potential effectiveness of the new…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan sits down with Alicia García-Herrero and June Park to talk about South Korea’s semiconductor industry, specifically how geopolitical tensions like China’s localisation needs and US export controls could impact the sector. They also discuss South Korea’s economic relations with both of those coun…
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How resilience can shape the future | with Daria Nashat, Resilience and Leadership Trainer | S4E2
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What is the future without Resilience? In this month's podcast we ask Daria Nashat (she/her) how resilience can be cultivated to benefit not only individuals but also communities, societies and the planet. Daria, a Resilience and Leadership trainer, talks about how to strengthen our resilience, what the role of stories and community is in cultivati…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie invites MEP Johan Van Overtveldt and Bruegel Senior fellow Nicolas Véron to talk about the impact of the sanctions on Russian assets in the global financial system and what that means in terms of systemic risk for Belgium, for Europe and for the world. They discuss possible avenues where t…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Oya Celasun, Deputy Director of the International Monetary Fund’s European Department, and Jeromin Zettelmeyer, Director of Bruegel, to talk about EU competitiveness. They define what the term means; discuss whether the EU has a competitiveness problem; and if so, how it can…
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Skills anticipation for the green transition
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In the final episode of The Skills podcast series, Rebecca Christie discusses with Duygu Güner and Francesca Rosso on skills anticipation. They talk about the new skills that are emerging and the impact of skills anticipation on education and training. They also talk about providing the required skills needed for the green transition and about crea…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Nicolas Véron and Harald Waiglein to look at the status of Europe’s banking union. They discuss how the project started, how it is going and the political climate that has brought us to this stage of the project. They also point out the unfinished business including insuranc…
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Should natural entities have rights? | with Mihnea Tănăsescu | S4E1
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In a world where exploitation of natural resources is commonplace, the idea of granting rights to entities such as rivers is as abstract as essential. In this month's episode, we explore the rights of nature with Mihnea Tănăsescu, a political ecologist who has spent many years immersed in the issue. He is a research professor at the University of M…
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Industrial strategies for Europe’s green transition
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie invites Chiara Criscuolo and Reinhilde Veugelers. The speakers argue that the current pace of innovation is too slow to face the challenge of climate change and that a range of barriers and market failures remain at the root of the problem. To resolve these, a mission-oriented industrial s…
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China’s third attempt to internationalise its currency
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Yuyun Zhan invites Alessia Amighini and Alicia García-Herrero to discuss China’s latest push to internationalise its currency, the Renminbi. They talk about China’s previous two attempts, its approach to internationalise the RMB this time around and the wider implications of a strengthened RMB. This might …
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie sits down with Isabelle Mejean and Niclas Poitiers to discuss EU economic security. They start with the various definitions of the term, how their research fits into the current knowledge gap and they give policy recommendations on how to strengthen economic security in the bloc in areas l…
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In this episode of The Sound of Economics, Rebecca Christie invites Heather Grabbe, Jean Pisani-Ferry, Fiona M. Scott Morton and Jeromin Zettelmeyer to do a yearly round-up of significant economic policy developments from Europe and the world. They discuss the implication of wars and recent European elections, interest rate hikes, green investment,…
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Reconnecting with nature through our food | with Mick McEvoy of Plum Village | S3E8
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In this end-of-year edition we talk food with Mick McEvoy. Originally from Ireland, he lives and works at Plum Village, a Zen Buddhist community in France established by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh more than forty years ago. There, he mindfully manages the Happy Farm, which grows seasonal organic food for its community and the thousands of guests …
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Expectations and outcomes of the 24th EU-China summit
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On 7 December 2023, the 24th EU-China Summit took place in Beijing, where President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen and President of the European Council, Charles Michel, met with China’s President, Xi Jinping and Premier, Li Qiang. Although both sides had various topics they wanted to address, there appeared to be minimal results.…
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Ukraine is an official EU candidate since June 2022. In mid-December 2023, the leaders of EU countries are meeting to discuss whether to start official accession talks. In this episode of the Sound of Economics, recorded on December 8 2023, Rebecca Christie invites Zsolt Darvas and Heather Grabbe to look at the timeframe for the talks, the procedur…
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About 140 nations have come together to agree on a 15% global minimum corporate tax rate and a way to make sure tech companies and other multinational giants pay their fair share. Putting these hard-won agreements into practice brings new difficulties and delays may mean a flurry of new digital services taxes. Furthermore, developing nations have p…
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