Best Benjamin Wittes & Kate Klonick Podcasts (2025)

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Secrets and Spies 1:02:09

7h ago1:02:09

1:02:09

Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome Matt Fulton and Chris Carr of the Secrets and Spies podcast to talk about the historical and cultural role of intelligence operations, both real and fictional. Check out their podcast here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Totalitarianism and Bananas with Carol Tsang 1:00:26

12m ago1:00:26

1:00:26

Wherein Ben, Mike Feinberg and Alicia Wanless discuss a potential bombshell news story about Trump's BANANA, and Carol Tsang joins in with more thoughts on Japanese history and the origins of totalitarianism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Putin-Taliban Alliance with Emily Hoge 1:03:38

15h ago1:03:38

1:03:38

Wherein Ben and Mike Feinberg welcome Emily Hoge, a scholar of post-Soviet Russian history, to discuss Putin's recognition of the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Real Housewives of the Justice Department 58:23

20h ago58:23

58:23

Wherein Ben celebrates the infighting at the Trump DOJ and discusses the culture of gun ownership with Mike Feinberg and Eve Gaumond. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Death and Resurrection 1:01:12

4d ago1:01:12

1:01:12

Wherein the cactus is dead. Long live the cactus. Also, Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Mike Feinberg discuss Kenyan politics, DOJ refugees, and celebrities on social media. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Fired from the FBI with Mike Feinberg 1:03:31

5d ago1:03:31

1:03:31

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Mike Feinberg, recently fired from a senior FBI position for being friends with someone Trump doesn't like, to discuss his experiences. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Trump's "Tradecraft Review" with Shane Harris 1:02:18

6d ago1:02:18

1:02:18

Wherein Ben welcomes Shane Harris to discuss the Trump CIA's so-called tradecraft review, which concludes that there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election and that James Comey is a crook. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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A Dog Shirt TV Medley 1:01:04

7d ago1:01:04

1:01:04

Wherein Ben, Alicia Wanless, and John Hawkinson cover home renovation, AI, tariffs, law enforcement, and the cactus's bruised ego. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Tokugawa Shogunate with Carol Tsang 1:01:13

8d ago1:01:13

1:01:13

Wherein Carol Tsang emerges from the Greek Chorus to tell Ben about the history of repression and resistance in Tokugawa Japan. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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World Tour 1:00:27

10d ago1:00:27

1:00:27

Wherein Ben discusses safari adventures with Holly Berkley Fletcher, the state of the Supreme Court with Jonathan Rauch, Swedish and Canadian politics with Alicia Wanless, and the military situation in Ukraine with anyone willing to listen. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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Patriotism Today with Anna Bower 1:01:02

12d ago1:01:02

1:01:02

Wherein Ben welcomes Anna Bower for a discussion of Independence Day under Trump, as well as DOGE, humor, and the New York Times. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Kenya, Finland, France, Ukraine 1:00:59

13d ago1:00:59

1:00:59

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss wildlife in Kenya, Minna Ålander joins in to talk about the seasons in Finland and defense policy in France, and Anastasiia Lapatina drops by with Ukrainian memes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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NYC Mayoral Elections with Tyler McBrien 1:01:06

15d ago1:01:06

1:01:06

Wherein Ben welcomes Tyler McBrien, Lawfare's managing editor, to discuss Mamdani's victory in the New York City mayoral primary and what, if anything, it means about the country at large. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Old Frenemies with Ben Wizner 1:01:36

16d ago1:01:36

1:01:36

Wherein Ben welcomes Ben Wizner of the ACLU, with whom he used to argue about civil liberties litigation, to discuss civil liberties litigation in the Trump era. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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A Mike Pesca Hijacking 1:05:04

20d ago1:05:04

1:05:04

Wherein Mike Pesca takes over the show to ask Ben about the effectiveness of the Iran strikes and the war powers debate, and Holly Berkley Fletcher about Kenyan politics. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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NATO Summit Breakdown 1:00:39

19d ago1:00:39

1:00:39

Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss the recent NATO summit and the future of NATO in the Trump era. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Deepfake Vampire Nominee 58:03

20d ago58:03

58:03

Wherein Ben has created a deepfake video of judicial nominee Emil Bove putting on vampire make-up, and he and Eve Gaumond discuss the ethical concerns created by a world in which that is possible. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Spies in the Wild 1:00:25

21d ago1:00:25

1:00:25

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss intelligence officers as they exist in real life. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Holly's Questions 1:01:12

22d ago1:01:12

1:01:12

Wherein Ben answers Holly Berkley Fletcher's questions on the Supreme Court, deportation, federal grand juries, and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Authorization to Bomb with Marty Lederman 1:01:14

23d ago1:01:14

1:01:14

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Marty Lederman to discuss Trump's legal and constitutional violations in bombing Iran. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Israeli Strikes 1:00:48

1M ago1:00:48

1:00:48

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss what we know about the Israeli strikes on Iran. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Technical Difficulties 1:00:18

1M ago1:00:18

1:00:18

Wherein Ben is on a train and can't maintain a wifi connection, and Holly Berkley Fletcher tries desperately to cover for him. Swahili, hotels, and naming conventions are discussed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Vaccines and Intelligence 59:47

1M ago59:47

59:47

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss the role of vaccines in personal and community health and the role of the intelligence community in policy making. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Chat GPT Plans a Bombing with James Hanks 1:01:06

1M ago1:01:06

1:01:06

Wherein Ben and Eve Gaumond welcome James Hanks to discuss how he convinced Chat GPT to plan military operations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Protest Strategies and Legal Questions 1:00:22

1M ago1:00:22

1:00:22

Wherein Holly Berkley Fletcher discusses different strategies at play in protesting Trump and Ben answers Anastasiia Lapatina's questions about the US legal system. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Girlies Are Fighting! with Marichka Hlyten 59:29

1M ago59:29

59:29

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher celebrate Trump's messy breakup with Elon, and welcome Marichka Hlyten to talk about the latest developments in Ukraine. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Africa News and Protest Slogans 1:00:59

2M ago1:00:59

1:00:59

Wherein Ben discusses lobbying strategy, Holly Berkley Fletcher shares news from across Africa, and the Collegium workshops protest slogans. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Belarus, Sudan, and Bach with Katsiaryna Shmatsina 1:04:31

2M ago1:04:31

1:04:31

Wherein Holly Berkley Fletcher discusses fake news about Sudan, Anastasiia Lapatina welcomes Katsiaryna Shmatsina to talk about national identity and repression in Belarus, and Ben asks why no one is selling old Swedish men on Instagram. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Building the Bulwark with Jonathan V. Last 1:00:40

2M ago1:00:40

1:00:40

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher and Anastasiia Lapatina welcome Jonathan V. Last to talk about optimism and pessimism, building a media empire, and the craft of journalistic writing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Gaming, AI, and Counterterrorism with Erin Saltman 1:01:46

2M ago1:01:46

1:01:46

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless welcome Erin Saltman to discuss the role of gaming and AI in youth radicalization and de-radicalization. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The WITAOD Chronicles with Anna Bower and Tyler McBrien 1:01:24

2M ago1:01:24

1:01:24

Wherein Ben welcomes Anna Bower and Tyler McBrien to discuss Anna's months-long quest to unmask the administrator of DOGE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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What Should Democrats Demand? 1:01:12

2M ago1:01:12

1:01:12

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Jonathan Rauch, who has a proposal for potential Democratic legislative strategy in the current budget negotiations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Biden, Lincoln, and Trump 1:01:28

2M ago1:01:28

1:01:28

Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome Mike Pesca to discuss Biden's health while in office and media discussion around it, and continue to prepare for a Special Military Operation targeting Trump's banner outside the Department of Agriculture. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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Cleaning the House 1:00:00

2M ago1:00:00

1:00:00

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher compare their approaches to household cleanliness and the psychology thereof. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Parenting (in a Warzone) 1:00:37

2M ago1:00:37

1:00:37

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss parenting wins and losses--and the difficulties posed by a baby who's been awake in a bomb shelter all night. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Icebreakers 1:00:45

2M ago1:00:45

1:00:45

Wherein Ben, Alicia Wanless, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Genevieve DellaFera answer silly questions Alicia's publisher sent her. Desert islands, Ayn Rand, and the effectiveness of the Tokugawa Shogunate are discussed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Thoughts on South Africa 1:02:15

2M ago1:02:15

1:02:15

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss democracy in South Africa and the complete lack of genocide against Afrikaners. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Trump v. Lincoln: Live Storyboarding 1:01:10

2M ago1:01:10

1:01:10

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and the audience plan a Special Military Operation targeting Trump's latest ego boost: an enormous banner of his face hanging opposite Lincoln's outside USDA. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Rattling Sabers 57:53

2M ago57:53

57:53

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Minna Ålander discuss how Trump's attempts to exercise coercive power are going in various domestic and political arenas. If you want to join us live every weekday at 8am EST, get a years subscription to Dog Shirt Daily for just $25 this week only. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…

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Live from the Arctic 1:00:47

2M ago1:00:47

1:00:47

Wherein Ben welcomes Anastasiia Lapatina for a real-time tour of a Norwegian town on the Russian border and a live interview with a local journalist covering Russian aggression in the Arctic. Holly Berkley Fletcher comes on to discuss her most recent shenanigans, Minna Ålander talks NATO policy, and Ben goes over the recent SCOTUS arguments in the …

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The Ukrainian Perspective 1:00:46

2M ago1:00:46

1:00:46

Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss Ukrainian perspectives on Russian dissidents, international organizations, and national identity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The History of Puns with John Pollack 1:00:17

2M ago1:00:17

1:00:17

Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome author John Pollack to talk about the place of wordplay in human society. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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South African Refugees and Ukrainian Children 1:00:50

2M ago1:00:50

1:00:50

Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss the difficulties of addressing wealth disparity. Then they welcome Marichka Hlyten to talk about Russian abuse of Ukrainian children. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Holly's Agenda 1:03:23

2M ago1:03:23

1:03:23

Wherein Holly Berkley Fletcher comes on with a list of discussion topics, including refugees, book reviews, South Sudan, and a covert margarita operation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Planes and Protests 1:01:48

2M ago1:01:48

1:01:48

Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Jonathan Rauch discuss why Trump wants a Qatari plane and how to protest at a military parade. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Papal Politics 1:01:54

2M ago1:01:54

1:01:54

Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss the new Pope, what the Papacy represents, and why we should care. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Three Scams with Nicholas Weaver 1:00:34

2M ago1:00:34

1:00:34

Wherein Ben welcomes Nicholas Weaver to talk about corruption in cryptocurrency, the global supply chain, and American universities. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Netanyahu, Trump, and Stalin 1:02:46

2M ago1:02:46

1:02:46

Wherein Ben and guests discuss world leaders people won't stop revering for some reason. Lior Tepper brings updates from the trial of Netanyahu in Israel, Eve Gaumond and Alicia Wanless discuss Trump's meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister, and Marichka Hlyten explains why there were Stalinist marchers in DC last weekend. Hosted on Acast. See ac…

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Quilting for the Constitution with Emma Petty Adams 1:02:04

3M ago1:02:04

1:02:04

Wherein Ben and Jonathan Rauch welcome Emma Petty Adams to discuss her organization, Mormon Women for Ethical Government, and the influence of Mormon women in Republican politics. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Art of the Ukraine Deal 58:12

3M ago58:12

58:12

Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss negotiation strategy in the Ukraine peace talks. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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