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The Knew Guys

Gabe Dunn & River Butcher

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The Knew Guys is a podcast about masculinity by trans-guy comedians River Butcher and Gabe Dunn! Each episode, Gabe (he/they) and River (he/him) interview a guest about their relationship to gender, and explore relevant topics and events in the LGBTQ (usually the trans and/or transmasc) community. River’s your big brother, Gabe’s your little brother! Welcome to the fam! Episodes drop every other Thursday.
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cw: food, diet and working out discussion in the introduction Gabe and River discuss working out and muscle building. Then, comedian Jes Tom joins the podcast for a freewheeling conversation about keyhole top surgery pros and cons, going by they/them pronouns since 2011, and the use of "she." Jes and Gabe vs. River's sexuality, using a hoe era to f…
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Gabe and River are as normal as two regular guys. Was puberty traumatic for everyone? River answers a listener's question about getting misgendered. Then, Florida, the movie Stress Positions, and which Challengers boys we'd be. Author Ben Greene joins the show to talk about his book on creating joy around trans kids, his experience coming out as tr…
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River gives a very cool update on the WNBA draft and coach Dawn Staley's comments on trans women in sports. Next, an incredible question leads to a nuanced conversation about internalized transphobia and judging other trans people. Then, what's the correlation between transness and "giftedness?" A listener writes in to commiserate with River's comm…
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Gabe and River both had great experiences in New York... separately. Then, rapper Cuee joins the show to talk about the business of being a queer rapper, his political and creative inspirations (and what it means to be a loverboy), and redoing your old albums post-transition aka (Taylor's Version) (Trans). Plus, performing at Lawrence, Kansas' firs…
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Adrian sends a fantastic email about cherry-picking horror stories from the state of Florida that has River cheering in his seat. Then, trans casting director Charlie Hano joins the pod to talk about auditioning dos and don'ts, the constantly changing landscape for what trans looks like in entertainment, and his own transition story born from a dre…
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Gabe wants to find River a husband at a sports bar, even though River is in his "hetero era." The duo talk about all kinds of topics, including looking for unconditional love, dying their beards, relating to Ken in the Barbie movie, masculinizing facial filler, and whether everyone hates being a woman. Should trans people boycott Florida? Gabe and …
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Writer, actor, producer, host, lover and friend Vico Ortiz joins the podcast to talk about therapy, attachment styles and astrology, their drag style, coming out as polyamorous and one million other fascinating topics. Plus, which host did Vico go on a date with? (You’ll never guess.) Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands…
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Gabe and River are finally caught up on episodes enough to discuss the Free Palestine movement and the genocide in Gaza. Thank you to the listener who left the comment that sparked this conversation. Then, a listener writes in asking what Gabe and River's feelings are about cis men now that they've transitioned. It gets spicy! Advertising Inquiries…
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Hey friends, some of the audio sounds different in places due to recording in Zoom. Thanks for your patience. Love you! River and Gabe discuss the childhood toys or interests that they later believe were trans. (The 80s were wild for River and boy's dolls.) Then, The Owl House's Avi Roque joins the pod to talk about vocal health and testosterone's …
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Gabe and River discuss fundraising for Gabe's new trans movie they're directing. They also answer a listener's question about whether they're trans enough to medically transition and about having doubts. Then, they talk about the ongoing mockery of "they/them" pronouns not just by young people, but as a larger political Boogeyman, and about the man…
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River's comedy special is out!! Hooray!! How do you play it if Hollywood can't place you? River and Gabe share some very personal experiences! What gift have they each gotten from fans, what does it mean when someone's therapist recommends your comedy, and how do parasocial relationships work? Plus, Gabe is dating a famous podcaster! Then, we answe…
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Gabe and River give advice to a listener that wants to support and connect to their gender questioning partner. Then, the first openly trans athlete in professional American hockey and two-time champion Harrison Browne joins the podcast to talk about coming out while playing a professional team sport, the juicy drama of women's sports, and the hist…
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A listener writes in asking River and Gabe if they have to come out as trans at work as they start transitioning. Then, The Trans Therapist Alo Johnston joins to talk about honing his specialty in working with trans clients, the benefit of shared experiences, and whether you're trans ENOUGH. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands…
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How often do trans men think about the Roman Empire? River went to Thanksgiving with two celebrities. Then, the duo answer your listener questions about connecting to your body through sports, recommendations for acting monologues as a trans guy, gendered experiences on the school bus, hot tips on oral minoxidil, growing butt hair, being a cis list…
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Gabe and River talk about their experiences in the men's restroom after a listener writes in worried about being misgendered there. What does River use to stand to pee? How much longer can Gabe use the women's room? And what is "low disclosure?" Then, performer and "guinea pig dad" Maze Felix joins the show to talk about how ASL interpreting create…
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Astrologer Jessica Lanyadoo comes onto the pod and reads both River's and Gabe's astrological charts, blowing both their minds. It gets deep. Then, she reads Gabe and River's compatibility. Plus, what do the stars say about gender and masculinity? This is a wholesome and emotional one. Get into it. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brand…
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River is back! How to say no! Visiting Japan! A 21-year-old goes viral for pretending to be his own mother in drag and somehow everyone loves it! Then, the duo go over all your mail. Jamie wants them to expand on the idea that certain cishet people are queer. Two people have advice on beard growth and minoxidil. River's name twin asks Gabe if femin…
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Author of "Inverse Cowgirl" Alicia Roth Weigel joins Gabe on the podcast for a FASCINATING conversation about the realities of the overmedicalization of intersex children, the connections between the transgender and intersex communities, and the gift of being born outside society. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands…
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Gabe is also sporty, okay!! And River has advice for not beating yourself up after games. Then, the duo discuss tips for growing beards and how to embrace shaving. Then, Scottish writer Ely Percy joins the pod to talk about agender identity/community and how they came to know themselves. Mx., riddles, representations, cancellations and more. This o…
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Do you own a podcast studio? We want to record the show in it! First, the duo pay tribute to ally Laura Ann Carlton, the shop owner murdered in Lake Arrowhead for hanging a Pride flag. Rest in Power. Then, they break down the latest Journal of the American Medical Association study that shows 99 percent of people who get top surgery do NOT regret i…
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River and Gabe discuss Gabe's "activity" (now called Trans Action) of the week which was gathering hundreds of opinions on before and after photos of people who have undergone medical transition. They have different opinions! Then, the duo give advice to an agender listener who worries about losing their connection to their past self. And finally, …
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Finally, we read and answer your listener emails! It gets spicy! Gabe and River discuss funding Gabe's T4T movie which needs your help! And, yay: River's BRAND NEW comedy special comes out mid-September! River shares what he's learned from injuring himself during a baseball game. He also had deep feelings seeing Le Tigre in concert. And finally, jo…
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Gabe is SHOCKED to learn that River is interested in men, which leads to a fun conversation about River's type and the assumptions everyone makes about trans men's sexualities. Then, Gabe has a lot of gripes about how horribly men behave in the men's bathroom. Finally, actor and activist Leo Sheng joins for a vulnerable and smart conversation about…
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Content warning: We use all kinds of language in this show including some that may be considered slurs by other people. We discuss that very topic in the intro to this episode. If that is something that triggers you, maybe skip the opening and go straight into the interview. If not? On with the show! Thank you. River and Gabe share their experience…
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tw: suicide mention, sexual abuse mention Welcome back for another episode! River and Gabe discuss name change pros and cons. Then, Gabe tells River about a surprise birthday gift from his dad that was very affirming, and River talks about his recent gym injury and an audience experience while doing stand-up in La Jolla. Next, the two are joined by…
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