Welcome to INFI: the Future of Finance, hosted by American economist and author Dr. Robert P. Murphy. Each week tune in for dynamic discussions with business pioneers about emerging trends in finance, life insurance, asset management, technology, and more.
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Ep. 120: Free Cities, Prediction Markets, and Stablecoins, with Anirudh Pai
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41:36Anirudh Pai is a partner at Robot Ventures, who has a long history in innovative finance. He has a broad discussion with Murphy covering various topics including smart contracts, decentralized governance, and prediction markets being used as insurance. Related: - https://robvc.com - https://electricsheep.substack.com - https://www.youtube.com/watch…
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Ep. 119: Key Takeaways from the Weinstein-Murphy Interview on Reforming Economics
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42:58In InFi ep. 116, Eric Weinstein talked with Bob for more than 2 hours on applying gauge theory to economics. In this episode, Bob unpacks some of the key lessons from the discussion. Related: - https://infineo.ai/podcast/116 - https://infineo.ai/eric-weinstein-on-economics-part-1-of-3 Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/e…
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Ep. 118: Anja Dragovic on Australian Bitcoin and Austrian Economics
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45:36Anja Dragovic is an Australian-based host of the Honest Money Show, a podcast that brings Bitcoin education, with an emphasis on bringing women into the honest-money movement. She joins Bob to explain her own discovery of Austrian economics and the virtues of sound money, as well as the major roadblocks to Bitcoin adoption. Related: - https://www.y…
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Bob draws on the yield curve, Fed announcements, and labor market data to give his assessment of the economy for the coming year. Related: - https://infineo.ai/a-macroeconomic-outlook-part-1-of-2 - https://infineo.ai/a-macroeconomic-outlook-part-2-of-2 Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/Pgu3JtYdtnU Subscribe to our YouTu…
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Ep. 116: Eric Weinstein on the Application Gauge Theory to Economics
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2:01:29Eric Weinstein joins Bob Murphy to discuss his work with Pia Malaney on a more economically relevant differential operator, which has important implications for cost-of-living adjustments. Eric Weinstein has a PhD in mathematics from Harvard University, and among other academic appointments was a Research Associate in the Harvard economics departme…
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Keith Weiner is founder and CEO of Monetary Metals, a company that pays its customers interest on their gold and silver, denominated in ounces of gold and silver. The company has arrangements with jewelers, miners, and other industry participants to make their offers credible. Keith joins Dr. Murphy to discuss the mission of Monetary Metals, their …
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Ep. 114: Recap of Murphy Remarks on Stablecoins at Benzinga 2025
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47:55Bob was a panelist for Benzinga's Fintech Day & Awards in NYC on November 10. In this episode he shares some of the highlights of the discussion, including the interaction between tradfi banks and stablecoin issuers. Related: https://infineo.ai/podcast/113 Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/sUvZl5rytxI Subscribe to our Y…
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Ep. 113: Banking Risk and Stablecoins, with Alex Pollock
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35:59Alex Pollock has decades of experience in banking operations and regulation, including serving as the CEO of the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago and a director of research position at the US Treasury. He joins Bob to discuss the GENIUS Act and the potential risks that banks pose to stablecoin issuers. Related: - https://www.alexjpollock.com/work-…
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Ep. 112: Arthur Laffer vs. Milton Friedman on Fixed vs. Floating Exchange Rates
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34:17Bob uses a recent Hoover Institution interview of Arthur Laffer to explain the debate between fixed versus floating exchange rates. Back during the classical gold standard, there was a sense in which the entire world used one money. This could be our future with Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency. Related: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joSS0_hdU…
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Ep. 111: Stablecoins & AI: Drew Benson Interviews Murphy
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1:35:04Wealth management advisor Drew Benson has Bob on his own podcast to discuss a wide range of topics, centered on the economics of stablecoins as well as the impact of AI. Related: https://www.youtube.com/@BensonWealthPodcast https://infineo.ai/ai-can-appear-creative https://infineo.ai/podcast/98 Watch the video version of this episode here: https://…
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Ep. 110: Could Bank-Issued Money Be Based on Equity Rather Than Debt?
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42:06Prompted by discussions with a client, Murphy first explains the sense in which our banks issued debt-based money. Then he explores whether it would work to use equity instead. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/7qZqEw4Szx8 Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3XXfmGS Follow us on Instagram: https://www.insta…
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Ep. 109: Why Argentina's Milei Asked the US Treasury for a Bailout
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52:34Bob explains the predicament in which Javier Milei finds himself, and concludes that the incoming radical libertarian president should have partially defaulted on the central bank's crushing debt burden. Related: - https://mises.org/podcasts/human-action-podcast/co-creator-explains-javier-mileis-plan-abolish-central-bank - https://www.youtube.com/w…
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Ep. 108: Thinking Consistently on H1B Visa Reform
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52:02Bob gives highlights from two recent blog posts, in which he uses an analogy with self-driving trucks to sharpen the conversation around Trump's H1B visa reform. Related: - https://infineo.ai/refining-stance-on-h1b-visas-part-1-of-2 - https://infineo.ai/refining-stance-on-h1b-visas-part-2-of-2 Watch the video version of this episode here: https://y…
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Ep. 107: Rex Tracer is Putting Cool Cars on the Blockchain
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34:22Rex Tracer is the founder and CEO of DRVN Labo, which is an automotive web3 product development studio, focusing on RWAs, tokenized car-culture media, and on-chain community building tools. Rex talks with Bob about their project and the economics of investible cars, but also his tales of racing. Related: https://drvnlabo.xyz Watch the video version…
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Ep. 106: Treasury Secretary Bessent's Critique of the Fed's "Gain of Function"
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51:37In a recent issue of The International Economy, Treasury Secretary Bessent wrote an impressive critique of the Federal Reserve's actions since the 2008 crisis, some of which dovetail with Murphy's own earlier critiques. In this episode Murphy goes through the chief points of the article and elaborates. Related: - https://www.international-economy.c…
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Ep. 105: Thinking Clearly on Money and Debt
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1:01:15Bob uses recent tweets and video clips to showcase incomplete or muddled thinking when it comes to money and debt. He shows how the framework of Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises cuts through the confusion. Related: - https://cdn.mises.org/understanding_money_mechanics_ with_cover_image_attached.pdf - https://infineo.ai/a-biz-vs-a-bank-vs-the-fed…
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Ep. 104: The Ominous Precedent of Trump's Intel Deal
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29:11Murphy argues that the Intel "deal" is an ominous precedent that will make businesses think twice before locating in the United States. If the goal was to boost the production of defense-sensitive components, it was a terrible move. Related: - https://infineo.ai/69 - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114987288040725570 - https://newsro…
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Ep. 103: The Social Function of Institutional Real Estate Buyers
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1:22:41Responding to a spate of criticism of BlackRock (sic) on social media, Bob gives a qualified defense of the type of business that Blackstone (sic) is engaged in—namely, the institutional purchase of real estate, including single-family homes, and renting them to tenants. Related: - https://www.blackstone.com/housing - https://mises.org/mises-daily/…
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Ep. 102: Pros and Cons of Various Ways to Revalue Government Gold
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33:03Bob uses a recent Federal Reserve post as the jumping off point to explain the pros and cons of different approaches to capturing the capital gain accruing from revaluing the government's (alleged) stockpiles of gold. Right now, they are valued at $42.22 per troy ounce, which is well below the market rate. But many on social media seem to believe t…
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Ep. 101: The Economics of Global Bitcoin Adoption
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1:04:41Murphy first cites some news items showcasing the Trump Administration's pro-blockchain initiatives, and explains that this will foster even greater institutional adoption. He then explains the long-run economics of Bitcoin adoption, contrasting the different motivations of speculation versus hedging and use as a medium of exchange. Related: - http…
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Ep. 100: Yes, Stablecoins are Like "Free Banking" in US History—and That's a Good Thing
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1:10:08Tyler Watts returns to the podcast to give an economic history lesson on how "free banking" worked in the US in the decades before the Civil War. Contrary to Barry Eichengreen's warnings in the NYT, stablecoins shouldn't scare us—freedom in banking is just as good as freedom in other industries. Related: - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/17/opinion…
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Ep. 99: Does the GENIUS Act Pave the Way for CBDCs?
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50:11Murphy continues his economic analysis of the GENIUS Act, seeking to answer the question: Does it—as many critics allege—pave the way for a central bank digital currency, or does it protect Americans from such a fate? Related: - https://infineo.ai/97 - https://infineo.ai/98 - https://www.mitrade.com/insights/news/live-news/article-3-933919-20250703…
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Ep. 98: Why the GENIUS Act Is Stricter on Stablecoins than Banks
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43:24In recent commentary, Murphy has said that the GENIUS Act—by imposing 100% reserve requirements on USD stablecoins—is much stricter than the regulations on conventional banks. In this episode, he spells out his argument. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/kQoG-qhL22g Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3XXfm…
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Ep. 97: Nicki Sanders on the GENIUS Act and the Future of USD Stablecoins
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42:40Nicki Sanders has worked in the blockchain space since 2015. She is currently leading engineering for Porto, which is Anchorage Digital's institutional self-custody platform. She joins Bob to discuss the GENIUS Act (which recently passed the Senate), its implications for the USD stablecoin industry, and the broader future of tokenized real-world as…
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Ep. 96: Bob Murphy Lays Out an Aggressive Yet Feasible Fiscal Reform
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1:05:20In the wake of the arguments over the Big Beautiful Bill, Bob walks through a hypothetical fiscal reform to push partisans on the Right to reform their frameworks. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/VAscLqJCJ4w Related: - https://content.infineo.ai/articles/an-aggressive-plan-for-us-fiscal-reform - https://www.econlib.or…
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Ep. 95: Robert Bryce Explains Chinese Domination of the Magnet Market
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45:24Journalist and author Robert Bryce discusses the Chinese near-monopoly over critical rare earth supplies, necessary for auto production and other critical industries. He argues that Trump's tariff strategy didn't adequately consider the Chinese counterresponse. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/u5_Fnc8e9oQ Related: - ht…
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Ep. 94: Does Saving Equal Investment? Economics vs. Accounting
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1:01:11Charles DuBois is currently an advisor to Spring Valley Asset Management, with an MBA in Finance from New York University. He joins Murphy to discuss a seemingly obscure but nonetheless important concept, for investors who want to understand the connection between macroeconomic theories and accounting tautologies. Watch the video version of this ep…
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Ep. 93: Refereeing the Conservative/Libertarian Battle Over the Big Beautiful Bill
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35:05Bob breaks down the arguments for and against the so-called Big Beautiful Bill. Proponents like Stephen Miller are correct when they claim it contains record spending and tax cuts, while opponents like Thomas Massie and Elon Musk are right when they say it doesn't do nearly enough. Either way, Bob provides actual numbers for viewers to make an info…
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Ep. 92: George Selgin on Bitcoin as Store of Value or Medium or Exchange, and What Ended the Great Depression?
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55:06Economist George Selgin has a new book, False Dawn, from the University of Chicago Press, explaining the latest research on how the New Deal did—and didn't—promote US recovery from the Great Depression. But first, he and Bob discuss George's arguments with the HODLers on whether Bitcoin is a store of value or medium of exchange. Watch the video ver…
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Ep. 91: Moody's Was Right to Downgrade the US Treasury
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46:50Bob explains what happened with the recent Moody's downgrade of US Treasury bonds, summarizes the precarious US fiscal position, and then critiques the argument that Uncle Sam can't possibly default. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/rLFTjWWH7pg Related: - https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rati…
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Ep. 90: Cade Bergman on the Utility of X Spaces and the Future of Crypto
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50:45Cade is the Head of Content at @WOLF_Financial, and Co Owner & Host of @WOLF_Crypto_X the Crypto Division. WOLF is a social media marketing firm primarily on X, and hosts the largest financial Spaces in the world. Cade discusses WOLF's business model and the future of digital assets, ranging from Bitcoin to NFTs to tokenized life insurance. Watch t…
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Ep. 89: Tom Pyle on Trump's Energy Agenda, and Why the Tech Bros Flipped on Climate Change
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44:26Tom Pyle is president of the Institute for Energy Research (where Murphy was Senior Economist for 13 years). He joins Bob for a fast-paced discussion on Trump's energy policies, why major players in the tech sector have dropped their messaging on climate change, and what to expect in the global economy. Watch the video version of this episode here:…
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Ep. 88: Explaining the LifeNotes Advantage for Split-Dollar Life Insurance Plans
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47:48Jay Rogers is Chief Revenue Officer and Steve Baillargeon is VP of Support Services at infineo. They join Bob to explain the LifeNotes Trust solution for institutional owners of split-dollar life insurance policies taken out on key executives. With pooled assets approaching $500 million in its first fund, the LifeNotes program provides more certain…
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Ep. 87: Oren Cass Challenges Free Traders on American Manufacturing
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1:01:21Oren Cass is one of the leading right-of-center scholars challenging free trade orthodoxy, specifically as it relates to US manufacturing. Bob asks clarifies questions to tease out Oren's views under various hypothetical scenarios. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/Z8nttX90IuI Related: - https://x.com/oren_cass/status/1…
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Ep. 86: Could the Trump Administration Revalue the Treasury's Gold?
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37:58Murphy analyzes a popular video describing proposals to use the Treasury's gold stock to boost the government's finances. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/mdO39LMRU7Q Related: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUDJn1NQU9k - https://cdn.mises.org/understanding_money_mechanics _with_cover_image_attached.pdf - https://www…
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Ep. 85: Ricardo's Assumptions Don't Hold, But Trade Still Makes US Richer
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43:37Sophisticated critics of free trade argue that David Ricardo's demonstration of "comparative advantage" had valid assumptions in the early 1800s, but those no longer hold in our age of labor and capital mobility. Murphy demonstrates that this critique doesn't hold up; the US still benefits from specialization and trade. Watch the video version of t…
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Ep. 84: Abe Lincoln and John Carney Are Wrong About Tariffs
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54:20Murphy samples from two recent debates on Trump's tariffs to explain why the protectionists are wrong in their view of international trade. Specifically, Murpy rebuts claims made by Abraham Lincoln (quoted by Spencer Morrison in a recent ZeroHedge debate) and Breitbart's John Carney (in a recent debate on the Tom Woods Show). Watch the video versio…
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Ep. 83: Everybody's Wrong About Trump's Tariffs
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48:51Murphy first dissects the dubious constitutional and economic justifications for Trump's new tariff regime. Then he explains why the US decision to leave the gold standard has more to do with trade deficits than foreign barriers. Finally, he critiques the "Triffin paradox" defense of US trade deficits. Watch the video version of this episode here: …
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Ep. 82: Economic Problems Made in the USA: Analyzing Lighthizer Trade Talk With Tucker
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55:46Bob dissects a recent appearance of former Trump trade representative Robert Lighthizer on the Tucker Carlson show. While agreeing with the description of US economic problems, Bob disagrees with Lighthizer's blame on foreign governments, but instead says the problem is Made in the USA. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://youtu.be…
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Ep. 81: Did the Department of Education Boost American Test Scores?
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37:14In light of President Trump's recent Executive Order abolishing (though it has no teeth) the Department of Education, Bob presents statistics for 3 separate federal initiatives—namely the Clean Air Act/EPA, the so-called War on Poverty, and the Department of Education—to show that they should not be given credit for improving US life in their respe…
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Ep. 80: Did Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Try to Hire Hit Men?
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36:48Having just been interviewed for a documentary on the topic, Bob gives some of the details on the trial of Ross Ulbricht. Even if one endorses the Drug War, there were many absurdities in Ulbricht's trial that helps to justify President Trump's decision to pardon him as one of his first acts in office. Watch the video version of this episode here: …
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Ep. 79: Financing the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, and How Private Sector Could Deal with ETH Heist
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43:28Bob goes solo to explain why the libertarian objections to a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve are overblown. He then comments on the recent $1.4bn ETH heist, and explains how private organizations could help organize boycotts of stolen coins without State-sponsored regulations. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=…
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Ep. 78: Explaining Elon: Social Security as a Ponzi and Government Spending Distorting GDP
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53:14Bob elaborates and defends Elon Musk's recent claims that (1) Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time and (2) government spending distorts GDP calculations. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTUNNA1ZYNM Related: - https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1895655463255248904 - https://infineo.ai/…
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Bob addressees the recent tweets from Elon Musk, indicating that there are millions of people who have been long dead receiving Social Security. Although Bob agrees with the critics that Musk was misleading with his tweets, there is nonetheless extensive fraud associate with the poorly maintained SS database. Watch the video version of this episode…
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Ep. 76: Jack Farley on Why Money Matters and the Contribution of the MMT Camp
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53:50Jack Farley is host of the podcast "Monetary Matters," and was recently the moderator of Bob's debate on ZeroHedge against Nathan Tankus. Farley sticks up for the MMT camp and forces Bob to drill down to the essential differences between the Austrians and MMTers. Watch the video version of this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzQ3vyY…
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Ep. 75: Alex Tabarrok on the History and Economics of Life Insurance
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50:03Alex Tabarrok is an economics professor at George Mason University and (with Tyler Cowen) co-host of a popular podcast. He and Tyler recently discussed the history and economics of life insurance, and in addition Alex has written extensively on blockchain finance. He was thus an obvious guest for Bob to interview. Watch the video version of this ep…
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Ep. 74: Brian Domitrovic on the Supply-Sider Support for Tariffs Over Income Taxes
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43:35Brian Domitrovic is the Richard S. Strong Scholar at the Laffer Center, who holds a PhD in history from Harvard. He joins Bob to discuss his recent articles explaining why the economics profession is so opposed to tariffs but not income taxes. Why are there "free traders" but not "free laborers"? Watch the video version of this episode here: https:…
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Ep. 73: The ZeroHedge MMT vs. Austrian Debate: Does the Treasury Need to Issue Safe Assets?
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51:19On the heels of his recent ZeroHedge debate against MMTer Nathan Tankus, Bob elaborates on one key issue: Does it help the private sector if the government issues more "safe assets" to bolster private balance sheets? Watch the video version of this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYpy7AsHsHY Related: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=…
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Ep. 72: Tyler Watts' Proposal for Opting Out of Social Security
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51:28Tyler Watts is a professor of economics at Ferris State University. In an analysis for the Indiana Policy Review Foundation, he proposes a plan for allowing citizens to opt out of Social Security in a way that helps the program's finances. Related: - https://www.pageturnpro.com/Indiana-Policy-Review-Foundation/112062-Winter-2025/sdefault.html#page/…
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Ep. 71: The Yield Curve Has Uninverted; Does It Signal Recession?
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34:53Bob explains that the yield curve has gone back to a "normal" upward sloping configuration, with 10-year Treasuries yielding more than the 3-month T-Bill. Bob reviews the historical pattern and the theory behind it, and also provides an estimate of when the next recession will hit. Related: - https://mises.org/understanding-money-mechanics/inverted…
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