Have you ever met someone who survived a CULT? Leaving The Village is a podcast about life inside Bill Gothard's cult IBLP/ATI. Hosts Jessica Goforth and Alexis Grey take you behind the scenes of growing up inside, how they left, and introduce an entire cohort of survivors of radicalized religion.
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Inequality is everywhere. This exvangelical podcast explores areas of religion, culture, and society where justice is needed in order to bring about true mutuality. Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content!
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S2E13: Religious Trauma, Healing Communities, & Saying Hello to Deconstruction — with Maggie Harrigan
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Maggie Harrigan, host of the podcast Hello Deconstructionists and creator behind the Instagram account of the same name joins Nate and Gail for a fun conversation about healing from religious trauma, deconstruction, and the power of storytelling in building community after leaving evangelicalism. TRIGGER WARNING: there are a ton of references to co…
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S2E12: The Incarceration of Japanese America — with Scott Okamoto
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To wrap up AAPI History Month, friend of the show Scott Okamoto joins Gail and Nate to share about his family's history during the years that Japanese Americans were incarcerated in concentration camps in the western part of the US and Canada. Also, as one of the hosts of the podcast Asians in Baseball, Scott needed to be tested on his knowledge of…
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S2E11: Beyond Abortion: The Need for Reproductive Justice — with Kimberly Mutcherson
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Professor of Law Kimberly Mutcherson joins Gail and Nate to discuss the history of abortion access in the US, the current landscape of women's healthcare, and the need for reproductive justice in the pro-choice conversation. Professor Mutcherson was the former co-host of the Anthem-Award-winning podcast—The Power of Attorney—which is produced by Ru…
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S2B01: Ash Valentine's Day - Too Much Love Will Kill You (or Those You Love)
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Happy Valentine's Day! On today's episode, Gail and Nate talk about what happens when you love everyone and everything else more than God. Oh, and be sure to check out the Content Warning event taking place in Portland this weekend! Tickets are available at contentwarningevent.com. If you're looking for support for religious trauma survivors, check…
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S2E10: My Cult Was in a Documentary, Part 3 — with Eric Skwarczynski
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In the third part of our miniseries, "My Cult Was in a Documentary," Eric Skwarczynski joins the show to talk about his work investigating the Independent Fundamental Baptists and about the Max/Investigation Discovery docuseries Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals. Eric's Links: Instagram | @preacherboysdoc Preacher Boys podcast | website Film Scho…
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S2E09: On Leaving BJU and Klandamentalism — with Dr. Camille Lewis
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Dr. Camille Lewis joins Gail and Nate to share her story of growing up in the IFB, her life at Bob Jones University, the controversies that forced her to leave, and her ongoing work analyzing and reporting on BJU and the larger world of fundamentalism. Read Dr. Lewis' story of leaving BJU here. Follow Dr. Lewis' ongoing reporting and analysis of BJ…
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S2E08: My Cult Was in a Documentary, Part 2 — with Jessica Goforth
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Our good friend Jessica Goforth joins us to talk about her reactions to the Amazon Prime series Shiny Happy People, which exposes some of the abuses in the Christian cult known as IBLP or ATI. Jessica is the host of the podcast Leaving the Village, where she shares her own story of surviving IBLP and interviews others who have also escaped the cult…
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S2E07: We're Back! An Update on Life, Thoughts on Current Events, and the Deconstruction World
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Nate and Gail return for an update on life. We discuss weddings (especially the problems with evangelical ones), current events, Palestine and Israel (briefly), meeting people you've made friends with online, building new community after leaving toxic spaces, how to not fall into previous traps that people often take out of evangelicalism into thei…
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S2E06: Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jews, & Other Christian Falsehoods About Judaism — with Rabbi Ariann Weitzman
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Rabbi Ariann Weitzman spends some time addressing a few of the common misconceptions Christians have about Jews and educating us about the relationship between the two religions. This insightful conversation is among our favorite episodes, and we hope you find it as helpful and informative as we did! Bnai Keshet Reconstructionist Synagogue Four Com…
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S2E05: Bob Jones University Will Never Do Right — with Christopher Peterman
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On this episode we are joined by Christopher Peterman, a former student at Bob Jones University who organized the first ever student-run protest at BJU. Chris shares his own story of abuse at BJU and the severe trauma that motivated him to stand up to the administration at the self-proclaimed "Fortress of Faith." Further Reading: "Bob Jones Univers…
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S2E04: What You Need to Know About Bob Jones University — with Rick Pidcock
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Gail and Nate discuss a bit about the history of Bob Jones University, its influence on the Evangelical world at large, and the odd extremism it's known for. Rick Pidcock joins in to provide some updates on the university and share some thoughts about the possible future of the institution. Sources: Bob Jones University v. United States "The Real O…
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S2E03: Stay-at-Home Dads Sipping Patriarchal Tears — with Scott Okamoto & Rick Pidcock
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Nothing upsets manly men quite like stepping beyond the gender norms, and stay-at-home dads are a great way to get them all riled up. In this episode, we chat with our friends Rick and Scott, who share some insights into their lives as stay-at-home dads and what it says about their masculinity. Spoiler alert: it says nothing, except that maybe they…
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S2E02: My Cult Was in a Documentary — with Janice Lagata
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Janice Lagata returns! Janice and Nate were both members of Hillsong NYC until they left in 2017, and since then their former church has been the subject of numerous exposés and documentaries. The latest, The Secrets of Hillsong by FX and Vanity Fair dives into their disgraced former pastor, Carl Lentz. Though Janice isn't exactly thrilled with how…
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Have you seen the Amazon Prime docuseries Shiny Happy People? Were you shocked to hear the wholesome, American Duggar family was involved in a cult? A cult full of abuse, sex, and religious trauma. A cult that claimed to educate children and planned to use them to take over the world.Have you wished you could sit down with an IBLP survivor and hear…
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Shiny Happy Who?? - Introducing The Duggar Docuseries
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Jess and Kit return eager to talk all things IBLP with the new docuseries from Olivia Crist for Amazon Prime, called Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets, dropping June 2nd. With fresh insights and boiling over anticipation, they sit down to discuss their reactions to the trailer and kick off the new season of Leaving The Village. The trailer …
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S2E01: Apostasy at EVU — with Scott Okamoto
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Scott Okamoto is back!!! And this time, he's bringing a book with him. The author of the newly released Asian American Apostate joins Gail and Nate to talk about his own journey that led to this book, his career as a professor at an Evangelical university, and how sorry he feels for English grammar perfectionists. Asian American Apostate: Bookshop.…
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S1E30: SEASON FINALE! Racism, Purity Culture, & the Asian American Identity — with Angie Kay Hong
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On our Season 1 finale, Gail and Nate sit down with Angie Kay Hong, writer, worship leader, critical convener, and one of the co-founders of Kinship Commons. Angie discusses the different ways purity culture further targets women of color uniquely to how it targets White women. She also commiserates with Nate on their shared love for the comfort fo…
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On today's episode, Scott Okamoto from the Chapel Probation podcast co-hosts with Nate for a special Asian-American-themed episode. Nate and Scott are joined by Naomi Ko and May Lee-Yang, two of the co-founders of the Funny Asian Woman Kollective (FAWK). Naomi and May share about their work in comedy, their experiences as Asian-American women, and …
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S1E28: Who We Are: The Latest Evangelical Nonsense & Why We Do What We Do
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On this episode, Gail and Nate take a look at some of the big news that rocked the Evangelical world the last couple weeks. They also give a peek behind the scenes at what it takes to make the podcast and share some of the history of how the podcast came into existence. --- Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality…
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On February 23, 2023, the Asbury "revival services" will reach their climactic conclusion as men like Francis Chan, Rick Warren, and worship leaders from the International House of Prayer descend onto the stage of Hughes Auditorium on the campus of Asbury University in the small rural community of Wilmore, Kentucky. Many are in awe of the seeming s…
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S1E26: Is Evangelicalism a Cult? (Part 3) — with Janice Lagata
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We conclude our roundtable conversation in this episode with the last two points in Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control and how Evangelicalism fits these descriptions. We also took a little bit of time to address the "He Gets Us" ad campaign that has the Evangelical world simultaneously giddy and furious. As a bonus, we wrap up with…
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S1E25: Is Evangelicalism a Cult? (Part 2) — with Janice Lagata
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In part 2 of our roundtable conversation with Janice Lagata, we begin working our way through Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control and take a look at how our various experiences in different Evangelical groups fall under the categories listed in the BITE model. Janice: Website | janicelagata.com Instagram | @godhasnotgiven Podcast | …
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S1E24: Onward Christian Soldiers — with Brad Onishi
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Nate and Gail are joined by Dr. Brad Onishi, professor at Skidmore College who teaches and researches Christian nationalism and the history of White Evangelicalism. Brad is one of the hosts of the Straight White American Jesus podcast, a religion and politics show that analyzes the Christian nationalist movement in the United States. Brad's new boo…
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S1E23: Is Evangelicalism a Cult? (Part 1) — with Janice Lagata
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Our good friend Janice Lagata from God Has Not Given joins Gail and Nate for a roundtable conversation discussing the question, "Is Evangelicalism a cult?" In the first part of our conversation, we introduce the topic and touch on Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control. Links mentioned in the episode: ‘An Evangelical Childhood is a Tot…
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S1E22: Hillsong on Trial — with Tanya Levin
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Producer's note: This episode contains discussions of sexual assault by clergy and child sex abuse by clergy. Listener discretion is advised. Former Hillsong Church member and author of the book People in Glass Houses: An Insider's Story of a Life In and Out of Hillsong Tanya Levin sits down with Gail and Nate to talk about her experience at Hillso…
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S1E21: How to Destroy a Megachurch — with Zach Malm
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Musician and Co-Host of the podcast Veterans of Culture Wars Zach Malm joins Gail and Nate to share the story of his involvement at the infamous Mars Hill Church and how he helped to bring it down. The wide-ranging conversation delves into his experience with the disgraced pastor Mark Driscoll and the stories that made up the website We Love Mars H…
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S1E20: Intersexion — with Cynthia Vacca Davis
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English professor and author Cynthia Vacca Davis joins Gail and Nate to discuss her new book, Intersexion, Her book tells the dual narrative of Danny, an intersex AFAB man who was born and raised in a conservative Christian environment, and Cynthia herself, facing the forfeiture of her dream job thanks to a Christian university's stance on LGBTQIA+…
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S1E19: Predatory God — with Jo Luehmann
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Educator and writer Jo Luehmann joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in deconstructing and decolonizing Christianity. The conversation follows a wide range of topics, from harmful practices of the church to adoption and foster care to abortion and education. Jo: •Website | joluehmann.com •TikTok | @joluehmann •Twitter | @joluehmann •Instagram | …
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Gail and Nate reflect on their first set of episodes, talk about what's in the future for the podcast, and give an update on Dauntless Media Collective. Join the Dauntless Media Collective Discord Server by visiting discord.gg/GxmYTRA2US. For more content from our friends, visit dauntless.fm. To join Full Mutuality as a partner, visit our Patreon p…
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S1E18: The Wrong Kind of Christian — with Scott Okamoto
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Scott Okamoto, host of the podcast Chapel Probation, joins Nate and Gail to talk about his own faith deconstruction while working as an English professor at the conservative Evangelical school Azusa Pacific University. Scott: •Website: rscottokamoto.com •Podcast: chapelprobation.dauntless.fm •Instagram: @rsokamoto •Twitter: @rsokamoto •Blog Post: "…
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S1E17: Deconstructing the Evangelical Sexual Ethic — with Jenn Alynn-Perri
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Jenn Alynn-Perri joins Gail and Nate for a conversation about how purity culture oppresses healthy sexual expressions and promotes a harmful sexual ethic. Jenn: •Facebook •Instagram •Twitter Resources mentioned in the episode: •Pride Link •SC Upstate LGBT+ Chamber of Commerce •Bored Panda Article: "Victims Who Were Told That Their Clothing Got Them…
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S1E16: BJU & Me: Queer Voices from the World's Most Christian University — with Lance Weldy & Peter Crane
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Lance Weldy and Peter Crane join Nate and Gail to discuss their stories of life as gay people at Bob Jones University. Lance's forthcoming book, BJU & Me: Queer Voices from the World's Most Christian University, is a compilation of stories of many LGBTQ+ people who attended the conservative fundamentalist Christian university based in Greenville, S…
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This time Jess is joined by fellow LTV team member and childhood friend, Alexis Grey, as they react to a roller coaster of emotions surrounding the sentencing trial in the Josh Duggar CSAM (child sexual assault materials) possession conviction. They go over the details of the sentencing and what it means for his family as well as survivors.…
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S1E15: Reclaiming Your Spirituality — with Kayla Felten
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Kayla Felten, Co-Founder of the Reclamation Collective, joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in religious trauma, spiritual abuse, and adverse religious experiences, and to talk about reclaiming and rediscovering yourself after having your spiritual identity prescribed for you by others in power over you. Reclamation Collective: web | reclamatio…
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S1E14: Stories from Hillsong Survivors: Deconstructing from a Place of Privilege
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Wes Curtis, a fellow Hillsong NYC survivor with Nate, shares his story of entering Hillsong, how he deconstructed while part of the church, and what his exit was like. Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com …
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S1E13: Stories from Hillsong Survivors: The Boston Situation
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Producer's note: This episode contains detailed discussions of non-consensual outing, mental health emergencies, and suicidal ideation. Listener discretion is advised. Noemi Uribe, who was interviewed for the documentary Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed, joins Nate and Gail to tell their story of their time at Hillsong Boston, where they were subject…
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Can it be real? Did ATI really just finally... die?? Jess and Kit react to breaking news that the cult they grew up in and survived has officially shut down. Something they couldn't have imagined not that long ago. Visit http://atii.org to read the full statement.
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Coming to you a little frazzled and a bit the worse for wear, Jess and Kit return with some hilarious late night girl talk, opening up about carving out their own lives post ATI, finding identity, and learning to cuss and swear with the best of them. ;) This episode is marked explicit but its all in good fun.…
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S1E12: Hillsong: The Aftermath — with Janice Lagata
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Janice Lagata continues sharing her thoughts and experiences from her time at Hillsong NYC and discusses what life and advocacy look like after leaving Hillsong and the larger evangelical world. Janice's website: janicelagata.com Janice's podcast: God Has Not Given Hillsong documentary on Discovery+: Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed - Discovery+ Foll…
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S1E11: The Fall of the Hillsong Empire — with Janice Lagata
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Janice Lagata, host of the podcast God Has Not Given, joins Gail and Nate to talk about her experience at Hillsong, one of the largest megachurches in the world, and discusses her work building awareness of the abuses at that church while the entire organization crumbles. Janice's website: janicelagata.com Janice's podcast: God Has Not Given Hillso…
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S1E10: The Cult of the Duggars: ATI and IBLP — with Jessica Goforth
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Jessica Goforth from the podcast Leaving the Village returns to talk about ATI & ILBP, the cult with which the Duggars—the infamous family from the reality TV show 19 Kids and Counting—are associated. •Jessica's podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage •The BITE model of Authoritarian Control from Steven Hassan: https://freedomofmind…
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Picking up in Chapter 32 Jess and Kit continue their way through Margaret Attwood's Handmaid's Tale.
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S1E09: Brainwashing: A Look Inside Bill Gothard's Cult of ATI & IBLP — with Jessica Goforth
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Nate and Gail are joined by Jessica Goforth, one of the hosts of the podcast Leaving the Village and survivor of Bill Gothard's ATI and IBLP cult. She provides a look behind the scenes into the brainwashing and abuse that goes on in this Evangelical Christian cult. •Jessica’s podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage •Video of ATI stu…
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The ATI Curriculum - FINAL Section - Inside Wisdom Booklet One
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And we are back with the last section of Wisdom Booklet One. Last summer we introduced you to the convoluted reality of what constitutes a complete home schooling education in the Advanced Training Institute. There are over 50 of these booklets with this same format and style. To follow along with us go to: https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.…
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Jess and Kit talk power differentials and the key role of HOPE in the toxic cocktail required for authoritarian control to work while continuing through chapters 30 and 31 of Margaret Atwood's dystopian novel, The Handmaid's Tale.
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S1E08: The Canadian Insurrection Brought to You By the "Freedom" Convoy — with Tabi Wells
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Canada's capital Ottawa has now been under siege for 3 weeks. Canadian journalist Tabi Wells joins Gail and Nate to discuss how a fringe anti-mandate group of self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" inspired by American alt-right groups have held Canada hostage. How did we get here? Resources mentioned in this episode: This article by CBC explains the E…
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Leaving the Village is growing! We are excited to bring you along with us and introduce you to someone we hope you enjoy as much as we do.
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The Handmaid's Tale Book Club - Part 9
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We are back with fresh new episodes of our Handmaid's Tale book club, getting into chapters 27 through 29.
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BREAKING - We respond to IBLP’s statement to the media
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Jess and Kit discuss IBLP’s most recent response to news media inquiries.
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S1E07: Being Asian American in 2021
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Gail and Nate sit down to discuss the Asian-American experience in 2021. Special appearance from Glenn Funamoto. Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive co…
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