Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions. What’s his origin story as an attorney? The origins of GRACE. Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches. NDAs Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting? Who did Billy Graham vote for? …

Amy shares her decision regarding the future of the Untangled Faith podcast. Thanks so much for your support over the last three years. How to reach Amy: Email: amy@untangledfaithpodcast.comBy Amy Fritz

Chuck DeGroat returns to the Untangled Faith podcast with host Amy Fritz to explore the transformative work of moving from self-awareness to self-regulation and how our response to shame changes everything. “I call the work that I do sometimes excavation work, because we're removing rubble. . .There's a lot of rubble that has kept me inwardly orien…

Content Note: There is discussion regarding abuse in this episode. Please take care when listening. Author, Ryan George, joins Amy to share his personal experience of leaving a high-control religious community, and what it was like to realize, while listening to a podcast, that his dad was a serial abuser. He also shares what pulled him out of the …

Becky Castle Miller joins Amy to discuss strategies for assessing the character of church leaders, the importance of being informed, and how to navigate the often-discomforting process of learning about and responding to accusations against those in power. You'll also get to listen in on some of our personal experiences—the struggle of having to re…

Welcome to Untangled Faith, where we navigate the complex journey of faith and the challenges we face in our spiritual communities. In this episode we're diving deep into the world of church affiliation and the personal implications it carries for believers. Guests Nathan Fritz, Amanda Turnbull, and Melissa Anne share their comfort (or discomfort) …

Have you ever had a long-lost friend reach out to connect with you on social media only to discover they really just wanted to sell you something connected to the Multi Level Marketing business they were a part of? Or maybe you’re one of those folks who has been pulled into an MLM and you’re drowning. Or maybe you’re worried about a friend who has …

Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions Explicit content and language warning. ** This is a conversation that was recorded for the Untangled Faith Patreon community in December of 2022. Since it has been about a year since there was much movement in the O'Connor lawsuit, I decided to share this audio publicly. If you hear…

"Read widely and in diverse communities. Challenge your biases and seek out perspectives that differ from your own. This will lead to a better understanding of Scripture and its application to our lives." - Kaitlyn Schiess While an undergrad at Liberty University, Kaitlyn Schiess detoured from her plan to go to law school after the ideas involved i…

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about how Stories, Metaphors, and Images have influenced the Evangelical imagination. We should always be trying to be aware of cultural influences and think about how they shape us as humans. - Karen Swallow Prior In this episode we: Discuss the cultural forces that dri…

(If you downloaded this previously, there was a glitch with the audio. Hopefully, it's fixed now!) Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today’s content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I’m certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the top…

Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today’s content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I’m certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the topic of abuse and understand this could be triggering for some listeners. Please take care while list…

Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan Dave Ramsey is facing a class action lawsuit from invested fans who trusted his endorsement of Timeshare Exit Team, a company accused of committing fraud. The case raises questions about what Ramsey knew or should have known, and whether he did due…

This episode contains content that may be difficult for those who have experienced violence or who are sensitive to mentions of abuse or intimate partner violence. Please take care when listening. In 2007, Pastor Neil Schori sat down with a woman who had come to him for marriage counseling. You probably recognize her name: Stacy Peterson. Not long …

Have you been told to (or seen others) push through personal pain and trauma while engaging in advocacy for the health of the Church without being given the tools to manage your (or their) own emotional wellness? Are you often feeling overwhelmed and exhausted? Meet Lori Anne Thompson: a compassionate survivor, storyteller, and student. Lori Anne i…

Pete Singer, executive director of GRACE, shares about grooming, hidden trauma, being "overly" sensitive to abuse, and the importance of third-party investigations. “Perpetrators put a lot of effort into being the kind of person who would never do that.” "Being more sensitive may be the product of having more knowledge." Pete Singer is the Executiv…

Here's why you should reconsider a Ramsey Solutions job. "If telling the truth is risking the business, you've got a truth problem, not a business problem."- Melissa J. Hogan Melissa Hogan is an attorney and fan favorite of the Untangled Faith Podcast. She joins Amy Fritz to discuss the implications of new requirements for employees of Ramsey Solut…

What happened when Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding courageously revealed the truth about abuse of power in the church? Lori Adams-Brown shares more about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Pastor Andy Wood, successor to Rick Warren at Saddleback Church. Lori Harding shares about speaking on the record with Julie Roys…

"We did this out of love to protect sheep. Exposing the darkness to the light is how it happens." - Lori Adams-Brown Some of you have a story to tell that you’ve never told anyone. And some of you are wondering if that story should find it’s way to a journalist. Where would you go? How does that even work? What all goes into the process and what do…

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to share from Melissa's legal background insights on NDAs, confidentiality agreements, and other forms of silencing techniques that churches or faith-adjacent communities might use. Links: https://melissajhogan.com https://melissajhogan.medium.com https://twitter.com/melissajhogan https://twitter.com/melissajhogan/status/…

Naghmeh Panahi joins Amy Fritz to share about her experience of being a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of someone that many in the Christian world assumed was a hero. Leave a review: https://podcasts.app.com/us/podcast/untangled-faith/id1561001170 Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com Join us on Patreon: https:…

Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church. Topics discussed: How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this? Proximity as an antidote to implosion. An update on …

Kristen Moser and Dan Watt join Amy Fritz to share their experience as former employees of Ramsey Solutions. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization. [00:02:05] Intro Kristen Moser and Dan Watt […

This episode includes mention of guns and a reference to an assault allegation. Please take care when listening. Wade Mullen, impression management expert, joins Amy Fritz to share his observations of a Ramsey Solutions employee meeting. Wade Mullen shares how impression management works and points out some specific tactics that some people or orga…

Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast. Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast. Amy and Chuck talk about …

Gretchen Baskerville joins Amy Fritz to talk about Gretchen's book The Life Saving Divorce. Lifesaving Divorce Website Divorce Saves Lives Examples of Abuse Divorce and Excommunication Abuse in Religious Homes Sponsor: The Ten Minute Bible Hour Support the show: Newsletter signup Patreon membership community Paypal Donation Buy me a coffee Come cha…

Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions. What's his origin story as an attorney? The origins of GRACE. Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches. NDAs Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting? Who did Billy Graham vote for? …

Dan and Summer Watt & Melissa Hogan joined me for episode 39: The Problem with Financial Peace University and Dave Ramsey's Financial Rhetoric. ⁠ This conversation we had was made possible by the fact that those of us involved in this episode have spent the last several years processing together our experiences with the ups and downs of Financial P…

Greg and Lauren Thoman join Amy to share their account of how their lives were upended by Ramsey Solutions leadership in May of 2020. This is the 8th episode in this series about Ramsey Solutions. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the …

Nathan and Amy talk about the lengths Ramsey Solutions leadership went to in their attempts to silence them, including gathering up their friends to malign them and reaching out to their current employer. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Supp…

Nathan and Amy share about the the year after Nathan resigned from his job at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Julie Roys Podcast Michael Hyatt Podcast Organizational Narcissism and Virtuous Behavior I Got Your Six Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith …

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to respond to Dave Ramsey's characterization of Melissa and Melissa's marriage in a meeting he led for all of his team members in May of 2019. This episode may be triggering to people who have experienced abuse and subsequent secondary trauma from attempting to report and/or ask for help. Patreon Membership Community. Ful…

Amy Fritz and Melissa J. Hogan dissect the Ramsey Solutions "Got Your Six" team meeting that was held in May of 2019 soon after Amy's husband, Nathan, resigned. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Perry Noble Fired. Mark Driscoll fired from Mars Hill. Bill Hybels fired from Willow Creek. Find us here: Twitter: Amy F…

Nathan and Amy talk about what happened when Amy's friend suddenly stopped communicating with anyone and how Amy's determination to make sure her friend was okay led her to stumbling across information that led to the end of Nathan's employment at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Statements from Melissa J. Hogan Blog post about Nathan's exit from Ramsey Ou…

Amy and Nathan Fritz share part 2 of their experience with the Ramsey Solutions Organization. In this episode they talk about: Differences in accepting the culture between spouses who marry in to the company as opposed to those who were already married when their spouse was hired. The Daily Beast article/Twittergate. The time Amy thought she was go…

Amy Fritz shares part 1 of the story of their family's experience with Ramsey Solutions, Dave Ramsey's Company. Article Amy went on the record for in January 2021. Ramsey Solutions Interview Process. Entreleadership book. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Unt…

Dr. Wade Mullen joins Amy for the second part of their conversation about impression management in Christian institutions. They talk about the cost of being a bystander who chooses to speak, Mullen's hope for the future, and Mullen does an analysis of the Ramsey Solutions response to a request for comment on an article they were planning to run. Yo…

Author, speaker, and professor, Dr. Wade Mullen, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about impression management. In 2018, Mullen earned a PhD in leadership and did his dissertation on how evangelical organizations use impression management strategies in the wake of an image-threatening event. He specifically focused on Mars Hill Church, Sovereign G…

This episode is part 2 of the conversation that Amy Fritz and Melissa Hogan started in the previous episode. Amy shares more of what she was seeing in Ramsey Solutions that felt very similar to news of scandal with other Christian ministries and leaders. In this conversation Melissa and Amy talk about over two dozen resources they found helpful in …

Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization. Melissa is an author of the upcoming book Afraid of the Doctor. She's also a lawyer, rare disease awareness advocate, and she consults on clinical trial design and patient outcome measures. In other words, she's brill…

On Episode 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Dr. Gary David Stratton joins Amy Fritz to discuss pastoral plagiarism. Mary DeMuth joins us again to talk about what healing looks like on the other side of spiritual abuse, and we hear the second part of Colleen's story of what happened after discovering that her pastor had plagiarized hundreds of serm…

On the first episode of The Untangled Faith Podcast, Amy has a conversation with author and speaker, Mary DeMuth about the characteristics of a spiritually abusive environment. We also hear from the first in our series of wounded resisters as Colleen shares part 1 of her story of discovering her pastor was hiding a big secret from their congregatio…

If you've ever found yourself hurt or disillusioned by your faith journey and wanted to hold onto your faith while untangling it from all the things that aren't good or true, this is the podcast for you. We’re sharing the hard and hopeful stories. We’re talking about what happens when deep hurts collide with our faith experience. We’re exploring wh…

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