Lace up your shoes – we’re going on a walk! In this episode, Heather shares about her transformative experience walking the Camino Santiago pilgrimage. Throughout her 170 mile walk, Heather found solace in the simplicity of being present in the moment, meditating on scripture, and communing with the Lord. Her literal walk was a powerful picture of …

Life doesn’t always turn out the way we hope or plan. When we face loss and disappointment, we may question if God is who He says He is. We can learn a lot about facing adversity from the story of Ruth and Naomi, who both lose everything they have but continue to move toward God. In this episode, Whit and Chris discuss navigating suffering, wrestli…

To read the story of Ruth as a romantic love story is to miss the full picture of God’s faithfulness in horrific circumstances. It is about love –– but the covenantal, sacrificial kind of Ruth to Naomi and God to His people. In the second part of their conversation about Ruth, Whit and Casey explore how God works through people and places to form u…

If you didn’t know, the Old Testament has some pretty crazy stories. One of the challenges in understanding ancient texts like Ruth is the vast cultural gap between then and now. Ruth unfolds against the backdrop of the time of the judges, a period marked by moral decline and spiritual turbulence in Israel. In this episode, Whit and Casey take a de…

Have you ever felt like God speaks more clearly to others than to you? In the noise of life, discerning God's voice can be a challenge. But we have good news: you can get better at recognizing God’s voice! In this episode, Spiritual Formation Pastors Casey Shirley and Blake Zimmerman talk about how God speaks through His Spirit, the power of commun…

As parents, one of our greatest desires is to see our children not only get along but also develop long-lasting bonds that last their whole lives. How do we help our kids want to stay close to us and to each other? In this episode, Heather and Jamie get vulnerable about their own sibling dynamics, discuss healthy communication, and share their hope…

A lot of us respect the Bible but if we’re honest with ourselves, we struggle to love it. We haven't learned to "consume" what's spiritually nourishing. Scripture is not just literature; it's spiritual fuel, essential for our growth and vitality. In this episode, Whit and Casey discuss how to learn and grow in our understanding and love of God’s Wo…

Sometimes it feels impossible to hear God in a world filled with distractions and doubts. We often want a miraculous, "burning bush" moment. But what if He's speaking through the ordinary, day-to-day? In this episode, Whit and Casey explore the pivotal role of wisdom, the common pitfalls we encounter in seeking God's voice, and their own encounters…

Is Jesus offering us a hard and miserable life? At the end of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus unveils two distinct paths: one to life and one to death. The path to life is one of repentance and devotion – it requires leaving everything behind. But the treasure is worth the cost. In this episode, Whit and Casey explore the road to life Jesus sets out…

Change is a constant in life. If you’re not prepared for a changing season, you can find yourself at loose ends, thinking, well, now what? It’s so important to find purpose wherever you’re at, and that happens best in godly community. In this episode, Jamie and Heather get vulnerable about where they’re at and how they can flourish in every area of…

Nothing can make us feel like a god quite like money––it gets to the heart of both our desires and our needs. In a world vying for our attention at every turn, Jesus challenges us to examine what truly has priority in our lives. You can’t serve God and money, so which will it be? In this episode, Whit and Casey break down Matthew 6:19-34. They talk…

Why does prayer often feel awkward and uncomfortable? We often struggle with feelings of inadequacy, striving for the perfect words while missing the authentic connection with God. The basis of prayer is not performance but relationship. So, how should we pray? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about their personal experiences with prayer, our m…

What advice would you give your younger self? In this episode, Jamie and Heather have a candid conversation about Heather turning 50 and the unexpected reflections and realizations that come with it. They talk about the complexities of aging, parenting, the pressures of social media, and living to the fullest in every season of life. Plus, they hav…

We live in a time where we can curate and present our lives for optimal praise and validation. Social media preys on a desire built into every human heart - the desire for approval. Wanting approval isn’t a bad thing. In fact, we’re hardwired for it. The question is, who are we seeking approval from? In this episode, Whit and Casey dive deeper into…

At first glance, passages where Jesus addresses marriage and divorce are confusing at best and harsh at worst. But when we begin to peel back the layers and grasp the context, we see that Jesus is actually elevating our view of marriage. In this episode, Whit and Casey discuss interpreting difficult passages, covenantal commitment, and how marriage…

Jesus pulls no punches in His Sermon on the Mount. He directly addresses the ways we tend to drift from His way of life. Rather than abolishing the wisdom of the past, He seeks to deepen and amplify it, infusing it with new relevance. In this episode, Whit, Blake, and Casey explore Matthew 5:17-30, what it means for Jesus to fulfill the law, and th…

Since they last recorded, Jamie and Heather have experienced significant milestones! With one child walking down the aisle and another navigating college, they've found themselves in a new season of parenting. In this episode, they talk about releasing control, the importance of community, walking through open doors without excuses, and their ins a…

Christianity is more than an adherence to certain beliefs. It’s an embodied faith, a process of becoming–– a way of life as taught and demonstrated by Jesus. In this episode, Casey and Whit talk about the last four beatitudes which urge us to be merciful, pure of heart, a peacemaker, and to expect opposition. What does it look like to live this out…

According to Sermon on the Mount, there’s a way to live that will make life better for you, but it might sound counterintuitive. In the first four beatitudes, Jesus invites you to be poor in spirit, to mourn, to be meek, and to hunger and thirst for righteousness, which may leave you thinking, wait, what? But we can explain. In this episode, Whit a…

Every community has a set of rules and values to live by; this is what it means to be us. That’s exactly what Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount is for Christians. In Matthew 5-7, Jesus gives us instructions for how to live in His new kingdom. He’s both forming an identity for the church and telling us how to be human. In this episode, Whit and Casey explo…

In a world where the pace of technological advancement is ever-increasing, we find ourselves navigating a divide between generations like never before. There is a forward momentum to a life with God. So, how do we relate to the people who came before us and the people coming after us? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about passing the baton to …

Have you ever read a Bible story and thought, okay, but why? The Bible is filled with narratives, parables, and teachings that often leave us pondering the purpose behind God's actions. Some people avoid the "why" questions: Why did God create mankind? What's God's end game here? But they are necessary to get to the deeper truth: What God is going …

How often do you think about the future? For many, thoughts of the future bring uncertainty and anxiety. But Revelation gives us a picture of the future, and (spoiler alert) God’s ultimate plan is fulfilled. This view of the future should change the way we live in the present. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about existential angst, the final …

For many, the Anti-Christ is a figure that resides in the world of horror movies and fiction. But when we delve deeper into Revelation and look at history, we find that the idea of a charismatic and corrupt leader is not confined to the realms of fantasy. So, who is this anti-Christ, and what’s his mark? In this episode, Whit and Casey answer quest…

Revelation 6-8 takes us into the heart of a profound and often challenging aspect of the Bible: God's judgment. These chapters introduce us to the seven seals that contain divine judgment, and in doing so, they raise fundamental questions about God: Why does He judge? Why does He allow suffering? In this episode, Whit and Casey explore how we endur…

Have you ever noticed how art bypasses logic and goes straight to our hearts? Art makes us ask, "What does it mean?" Revelation 4 & 5 are filled with artistic language that’s meant to function in this same way — to describe the indescribable. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the spiritual dimension, how creativity connects us to God, and …

God has chosen to speak primarily to and through His Church. But are we listening? Revelation 2-3 contains messages and warnings from Jesus through the apostle John. When we understand the cultural context of these letters, we can more accurately understand what the Spirit was saying and heed the message ourselves. In this episode, Whit and Casey d…

The Book of Revelation has fascinated and perplexed readers for centuries. Some people view it as a code to be cracked, others as a scary book to be avoided. But one thing remains clear: the church needs it. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about how we should approach the book of Revelation and its significance both for the historical church a…

Whether you’ve got a lot or a little, money keeps a tight grip on our hearts. But when we shift our focus to God, we are willing to do whatever He asks. Trusting God with your resources is like putting a deposit in a heavenly place and allowing God to pay you back in His way and in His time. In this episode, Pastors Whit and Willie George talk abou…

Scripture is meant to be experienced, but we can’t experience it (and run the risk of shallow spirituality) if we’re simply reading it and moving on. In this episode, Casey and Whit dive into Proverbs 3:5-6. They challenge our approach to Jesus, address the pitfalls of rigid thinking, and reveal the importance of acknowledging God's presence in the…

Movies have the unique power to spark conversations and allow us to engage with different perspectives. As Christians, we have to look for opportunities to engage people. In this bonus episode, Jamie and Heather talk about what they thought of the "Barbie" movie. How do we talk about our value, our experience in the world, and even our bodies as wo…

A tension that arises as kids grow older is knowing when to help them and when to let them fend for themselves. It’s a tension that Heather and Jamie have yet to figure out, but they’re trying their best. And isn’t that all anyone can do? In this episode, they talk about knowing when to step in, raising unentitled kids, and things their families do…

Our families are often the people who can drive us the craziest. But our closest relationships make us who we are. Jamie and Heather wonder if God put people so drastically different from them in their family to teach them how to communicate. In this episode, they talk about family values, embracing their differences, working through relational con…

There’s a tension when it comes to justice that we have to wrestle with: the tension of compassion and judgment, but also the tension of the individual and the community. Life isn’t black and white, and the Proverbs make this clear. So, in a complicated and broken world, how can we become people of justice? In this episode, Whit and Casey talk abou…

Have you ever wondered, "when will I feel like an adult?" Jamie and Heather sure have. As they watch their kids grow and mature, it's highlighted the areas they themselves still need to grow. But maybe it’s part of God’s design that we grow up with our kids. In this episode, they talk about crying on social media, retaining their youthfulness, and …

Heather and Jamie have decided it’s time to have "the talk" with their younger kids. We often don’t talk about certain things because it feels too scary or complicated. But when we’re willing to tell the truth, we become safe places for our kids. In this episode, they tackle topics like walking in humility with your spouse, broaching uncomfortable …

Do you ever find that it’s easy to trust God with some things and hard to trust Him with others? We’re often selective about what we fully give to the Lord, especially when it comes to our kids. Parenting (especially young adults) has tested Jamie and Heather’s trust in God in big ways recently. In this episode, they talk about hair appointments, p…

You’ve probably heard the old adage, “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” And you’ve probably come to learn that it just simply isn’t true. Proverbs has a lot to say about the power of words: “The tongue has the power of life and death . . .” Proverbs 18:21. How we speak to each other, give and receive correction, a…

It’s easier than ever to be influenced by pop culture, celebrities, social media, etc. What you consume shapes and forms you. So, it begs the question, what are you being influenced by? In this episode, Jamie and Heather discuss a wide range of topics including the impossible pressures of social media, finding contentment, how a real relationship w…

We've all been around full-grown adults that behave like children... and if you're being honest, you've likely been one of those adult children yourself. So, what do you do when you notice a pattern of immaturity in your life? In this episode, Whit George and Casey Shirley discuss the pathway to maturity. They talk about holding two character trait…

Is telling a lie ever okay? Are you hurting your relationships with the words you speak or don’t speak? To kick off their summer break, Heather and Jamie recently went to see a movie together that left them asking themselves these very questions. In this episode, they explore the nuance of communication, navigating people’s feelings, and telling th…

What should we make of the brokenness and suffering in our world? What is God in control of? In this episode, Whit sits down with one of our Tulsa Pastors, Chris Turner, to wrap up our series on Joseph. Chris shares about his experience of losing his mother and how that tragedy shaped his walk with God. They explore views on the sovereignty of God,…

Why should you forgive others? Is forgiving someone letting them off the hook? Forgiveness is at the core of the story of Joseph and at the core of the biblical message. It’s not as simple as forgive and forget. In fact, forgiveness, like most things in life, is complicated and nuanced. In this episode, Whit and Lyndsey talk about the stages of for…

We often don’t approach tests of any kind with excitement. But it’s only through testing seasons in life that we’re given the opportunity to be forged shaped into who God created us to be and prepared for all that He has for us. In this episode, Whit and Casey talk about the nature of tests, give some practical steps for setting boundaries, and wre…

We’re living in a time where people often feel like they should only do things that connect with their dreams, heart, or purpose. But it was never Joseph’s dream to run an Egyptian household or prison. In this episode, Pastor Whit sits down with our Founding Pastor, Willie George, to talk more about the significance of diligence, desperation, and l…

This is a special bonus episode of Tell Me More About! Whit and Casey dig into Genesis 38: the bizarre and seemingly out-of-place story of Judah and Tamar. Sometimes, you read something in the Bible and think woah, what is that? Why is this chapter included? How can we understand it in the context of the culture it was written in? It’s important no…

Whit and Casey welcome a very special guest: Heather George! This past weekend’s message “In the Meantime” was taught from a pretty personal place in Whit’s life. In this episode, Whit and Heather share more about “In the Meantime” seasons in their own lives and dive deeper into Joseph’s journey in Genesis 39. They have open and honest dialogue abo…

Tell Me More About is a podcast with our Lead Pastor Whit George. He answers questions and talks about things he didn’t get to talk about on the weekend. Joseph is an epic story within another epic story: the book of Genesis. Throughout Genesis, we see God’s promise that He will redeem creation through a family. But this gets complicated, because, …

Welcome to Day 12 of Watch & Pray – a short, guided prayer podcast for the 12 days leading up to Easter. Take a moment to prepare yourself by putting away distractions, setting aside mental to-do lists, and finding a place where for the next 10 minutes or so you can give yourself entirely to the task of prayer. Today’s Scripture is Matthew 7:24-29 …

Welcome to Day 11 of our 12-day guided prayer podcast. Take a moment to prepare yourself by putting away distractions, setting aside mental to-do lists, and finding a place where for the next 10 minutes or so you can give yourself entirely to the task of prayer. Today’s Scripture is Matthew 7:12 If you'd like to read along as you listen, check out …