The Coconut Thinking podcast brings educational provocateurs and practitioners in the regenerative space together to ask: what would it take to create the conditions for all life to thrive? Conversations are as diverse as the guests, but each one participates in the ecosystem, and each one questions the dominant narrative. This is a show for those who are curious about learning, systems, and contributing to the bio-collective—all life that has an interest in the healthfulness of the planet.
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Tyson Yunkaporta: Right Story, Wrong Story
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How might knowledge be co-created as a process of relationships between humans, other-than-humans, and the land? In this episode, I speak with Tyson Yunkaporta. Tyson is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk and most recently Right Story, Wrong Story. His wo…
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Peter Sutoris, Ph.D.: Education for the Anthropocene
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How might ethics world the futures our generation will leave behind? How might education respond within the climate context? In this episode, I speak with Peter Sutoris. Peter is an environmental anthropologist and assistant professor in climate and development at the University of Leeds’ Sustainability Research Institute. He is the author of the b…
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Pim Martens, Ph.D: Relationships for planetary health
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How might cultivating local relationships with humans and the more-than-human contribute to overall planetary health? In this episode, I speak with Pim Martens. Pim has a PhD in applied mathematics and biological sciences. He is a professor of Planetary Health and dean of Maastricht University College Venlo. Pim has been a professor of Sustainable …
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Virgel Hammonds: Nurturing radical relationships
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How do we nurture radical human relationships through authentic stories of learning? In this episode, I speak with Virgel Hammonds. Virgel is a nationally recognized leader in education innovation. He became CEO of the Aurora Institute in 2024, bringing over two decades of experience in learner-centered education. Formerly Chief Learning Officer at…
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Special Episode: Charlotte, Benjamin, and the city
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How is place an emergent, relational experience, rather than a fixed location? In this special episode, Charlotte and Benjamin speak alongside the sounds of Paris to create a conversation that includes the city. We come to Europe every couple of years to visit family, and this year we will also drop my son off to university. We recorded this episod…
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Kyle Wagner: The 12 Shifts for Student-Centered Environments
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How might we commit to change in order to create conditions for deeper learning and put students first? In this episode, I speak with Kyle Wagner. Kyle is an education consultant and founder of Transform Educational Consulting (TEC). He specializes in empowering schools to create socially, emotionally, and globally aware citizens through project-ba…
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David Leventhal and Ximena Rodriguez: Travel is education for living
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How might regenerative travel teach us about reciprocity, contributing to a different approach to education? In this episode I speak with David Leventhal and Ximena Rodrigues of Playa Viva. Playa Viva is a B-Corp certified brand that leverages hospitality to bring capital to work to improve ecosystems, for people and planet, to create vibrant, resi…
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Clover Hogan: Climate breakdown is the symptom, not the illness
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What if we decided to do things differently? I speak with Clover Hogan. Clover is a 24-year-old climate activist and the founding Executive Director of Force of Nature - the youth non-profit turning climate anxiety into action. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, consulted within the boardrooms of Fortune 50 …
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How might our stories be as unique as the place from which they unfold? In this episode, I speak with Jenny Andersson. Jenny is the founder of The Really Regenerative Centre. She works as a strategist, facilitator and educator, supporting organizations and communities to create visions for the future they want – together – and to find the energy, w…
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Ronald Barnett, Ph.D: Higher education is found in criticality, not university
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How might we re-think higher education to be about our ability to discern the world and take action, not the diplomas we receive? I speak with Ronald Barnett. Ron has spent a lifetime in higher education as a scholar, institutional leader and manager, researcher, and writer. He is recognized as having introduced and developed the philosophy of high…
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Jennifer D. Klein and Jill Ackers-Clayton: Re-Wilding learning, teaching, and spaces
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How might we create the conditions and spaces for learning to be wild? Or maybe we need to un-create them for wildness? I speak to Jennifer D. Klein and Jill Ackers-Clayton. Jennifer has a broad background in global education and global partnership development, student-centered curricular strategies, diversity and inclusivity work, authentic assess…
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Kevin Bartlett: It is the Why that matters
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How might we come together around a WHY rather than a HOW? Might the HOW sort itself out if we share purpose? In this episode, I speak with Kevin Bartlett. Kevin is the Founder of the Common Ground Collaborative. He has held leadership positions in the UK, Tanzania, Namibia, Austria, and Belgium, where he was most recently Director of the Internati…
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Darren Coxon: AI and the possibile futures
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How might AI create both utopian and dystopian futures all at the same time? What does this mean for education and for learning? In this episode, I speak with Darren Coxon. Darren is Founder of CoxonAI, a worldwide strategic advisory specialising in K-12 AI implementation. An educator for 25 years, Darren has most recently managed the operation of …
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David Penberg, Ph.D.: Telling different stories of learning
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How might we free ourselves from the bondage of data to tell different stories of learning? In this episode, I speak with David Penberg, Ph.D. David is an urban and international educator, teacher and writer with 40 years of experience. His work is place-based and intergenerational. He supports communities seeking to become more vital, joyous and i…
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Michael Bunce: The landscape and weather of learning
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How might learning be flow between structure and emergence? How might we measure impact quantitatively and qualitatively? In this episode, I speak with Michael Bunce. Michael is an educator, researcher, and interdisciplinary sound artist, with wide-ranging international experience across education and the arts. As an educational researcher, he spec…
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Eri Mountbatten-O'Malley, Ph.D.: Flourishing is a dynamic process
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What might flourishing look like as collective and individual experiences entangled in environment? Eri Mountbatten-O'Malley is a Senior lecturer in education policy at Bath Spa University and is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy. His research is philosophical in nature and helps us to better understand social problems and social resear…
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Cindy Forde: Storytelling to inspire the possible
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How might we tell new stories open up our imagination to what is possible? In this episode, I speak with Cindy Forde. Cindy’s career has been dedicated to transforming how we understand and act as human beings towards Earth. She works globally with leaders across sectors in education, communication and sustainability including University of Cambrid…
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Rūta Žemčugovaitė: Remembering our relationality
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How might we transform our relationality with the world, as the world, especially the non-human world? In this episode, I speak with Rūta Žemčugovaitė. Rūta is a writer, artist, and researcher, working with mycelium for regenerative futures. With a background in Psychology, she learned to facilitate trauma healing and shadow work in Costa Rica and …
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Luis Alberto Camargo: If you have a deep question, ask the forest
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What might happen when the landscape is our place of learning? In this episode, I speak with Luis Alberto Camargo. Luis was named the 2023 Richard Louv Prize recipient, in recognition of his life’s work, which has impacted 130,000 children and youth across Colombia. Luis is Founder and Executive Director of Organización para la Educación y Protecci…
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Gil Friend: Learning and investing as if we belonged to the natural world
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What might it be like if we approached education and business as if we belonged to the living world? In this conversation, I speak with Gil Friend. Gil, a systems ecologist and business strategist, is widely considered a founder of the sustainable business movement. He is noted for inspiring, challenging, and supporting business, policy, and invest…
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Will Richardson: Stories told from the future
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How might the stories we tell about the future help us bring about the futures we want? In this episode, I speak with Will Richardson. Will was a guest on the podcast a couple of years ago, and it's fascinating to notice how he his thinking has both shifted and stayed strong. A former public school educator of 22 years, Will has spent the last 18 y…
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Cordell Jacks: Regenerative capital as net positive systemic change
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How can capital contribute to the (non-monetary) wealth of the entire ecosystem? In this episode, I speak with Cordell Jacks. Cordell is the Co-founder and CEO of Regenerative Capital Group, a Canadian-based fund and accelerator that trains entrepreneurs in an 'alternative' entrepreneurial career path through ETA (entrepreneurship through acquisiti…
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Denise DeLuca: Approaching life from Nature's paradigm
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How might we approach life from Nature's paradigm rather than from the dominant paradigm? In this episode, I speak with Denise DeLuca. Denise is the founder of Wild Hazel. She is an adjunct faculty and the former Director of MCAD’s Sustainable Design program. She was co-founder of BCI: Biomimicry Creative for Innovation, a network of creative profe…
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Stefan Bauschard: AI will transform the kind of educators we are
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In this episode, I speak with Stefan Bauschard. Stefan is the Co-founder of educating4ai.com; the Owner of DebateUS.org, the Executive Co-Director of the New York City Urban Debate League and the Debate Coach @ Lakeland Schools. He is also the author of several substance articles that have received a tremendous amount of attention in the way they c…
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Russell John Cailey: Learning is a nimble, collective and contextual experience
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How might curriculum emerge from specific time and place? In this episode, I speak with Russell John Cailey. Russell is the Managing Director and visionary behind THINK Learning Studio (TLS), which is associated with Think Global School, one of the first traveling high schools. He aims to revolutionize the education industry. Honoured as a Top 100 …
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