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What They Said…!

Naomi Cao & Louise Palmer

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Dating. Relationships. Friendships. It’s a mine field to navigate - especially when you are above 40 and have to start over again! Join Relationship and Divorce Coach, Naomi Cao and resident “Single ‘girl’ about town” Louise Palmer, as they discuss all things relationships - Whether it’s being single and navigating the world of dating after being in a longterm relationship… Being in a committed relationship and balancing a career, kids (or pets!)… Or attempting to be Match Makers themselves ...
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Discovery & Inspiration

National Humanities Center

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Discovery & Inspiration asks “What can we learn by talking to scholars about their research? What makes them so passionate about the subjects they study? What is it like to make a new discovery? To answer a confounding question?” For over 40 years the National Humanities Center has been a home away from home for scholars from around the world—historians and philosophers, scholars of literature and music and art and dozens of other fields. Join us as we sit down with scholars to discuss their ...
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*PLEASE NOTE: TRIGGER WARNING – We discuss Miscarriages, and Mental Abuse in this episode. If this episode affects you or need additional help, we have listed contact numbers below where you can get help and support. In today’s episode: Naomi speaks on how important it is to recognise and understand when you are in a toxic relationship, and shares …
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It’s a virtual episode today - Naomi is in Sydney, holding down the “What They Said…!” empire, whilst Lou is trying her level best to score a date in Brisbane! In today’s episode! Naomi urges us to ‘bring the sexy back’ and to embrace having either a Mum or Dad bod in "Wifey Lifey"… Lou gives the run down on single life in Brisbane and shares if sh…
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how to navigate through arguments within relationships in ‘Wifey Lifey”… In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou talks dating fatigue…. Man, its super exhausting! The Ladies ask the big question – “Is the ‘Bro and Sister Code’ still a thing” in "Question Of The Week" The spotlight is on the Jumper, we mean. Wooden Dragon in "S…
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("And yes, I had to hear this Worm Guy story 9 times whilst editing this... *Shakes head*" - Editor, Chris) In today’s chockers, jammed packed episode! Naomi shares when is the best time to move in together and how to win at the ‘who gets to decorate’ game in "Wifey Lifey"… Lou gives her take on the art of saying ‘Thanks but no thanks’ and reiterat…
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Love is in the air - Lets hope we don't get copyrighted due to the ladies 'enthusiastic' singing of that song today ("I highly doubt it with THAT rendition...' - Editor Chris)! Whether you are Coupled-Up, or Single there is something for everyone in today’s bumper, chockers *insert Lou-ism here*, VALENTINES DAY SPECIAL! In today’s episode! Naomi sh…
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In today’s 'jammed-packed, chockers' episode! Naomi shares the best way of blending yours and a new partners ‘Family Traditions’ without it causing tears and bloodshed in "Wifey Lifey"... In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou gives her take on what makes a great first date location and it’s definitely not under a clock with a rose between your teeth in the …
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The Perfect Match date that leaves everyone in the Studio…SPEECHLESS!!! *WARNING: THIS EPISODE MAY CONTAIN VIEWS THAT MAY BE UPSETTING TO LISTENERS* Hold on to your hats because this episode is a rollercoaster! In today’s episode! Naomi gives her take on when is the right time to introduce a new partner to the most judgemental of them all – your FR…
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Howdy folks... We are back! Here we are, back for Season 2, and boy are we kicking it off in style! In today’s episode: Naomi gives her thoughts on when to take the plunge and go on holiday with your new partner in "Wifey Lifey"… Meanwhile in "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou shares her first date rituals, plus gives us an insight on how she’s really feeli…
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A massive HAPPY NEW YEAR to you ALL - And we really are spoiling you with ANOTHER HOUR LONG special episode (!!!)… In today’s bumper, chockers etc. etc. episode: Naomi shares how hectic her Christmas was and takes time out to reflect on how massive 2023 was for her in "Wifey Lifey" After the last episode where she was given a few home truths, it’s …
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Merry Christmas Everybody! In today’s special HOUR LONG episode (!!!): Naomi shares what she’ll be up to this Christmas which includes cooking a traditional turkey lunch for a cast of thousands, and shares crap present ideas in "Wifey Lifey" Lou brings on EX-tra special guest - her ex Jason! He dishes the dirt on what it’s REALLY like to date her a…
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In today’s episode: Naomi gives her thoughts on if we should still be paying attention to the thousands of “Dating Rules” out in the yonder in "Wifey Lifey" After her train train wreck last date, Lou has decided to take a sabbatical from dating but shares some of her tips on good conversation starters to all those still keeping the faith in it in "…
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of Sexy Time - oops, we mean - KEEPING THE ROMANCE alive in "Wifey Lifey"… Meanwhile in "Lou's Dating Diary", poor Lou is completely OVER IT as we somehow end up on sequel no.49274848 when it comes to over embellished profiles… The Ladies ask the big question – “Have Dating Apps Killed The Effort We U…
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how important the 'Three Month Rule" is, and explains to us all what its all about in "Wifey Lifey", Sit back, relax, put your feet up and grab a cup of cocoa (or in our case, a stiff drink) as Lou recounts a dating story with consequences in "Lou's Dating Diary"! The Ladies ask the big question – ‘How can we identi…
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how a deep friendship with your potential partner as well as having 2 double black belts in martial arts is the key to ongoing relationship success in "Wifey Lifey", Lou calls in the Ghostbusters for all the 'Ghoster’s' out there… as well as the Fire department for her dumpster fire of a recent date in "Lou's Dating…
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of sharing common interests with your or a potential partner in "Wifey Lifey" In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou gives her advice on what makes a great online dating profile… and it’s definitely not selfies taken in the bathroom or toilet! The Ladies ask the big question – ‘What expectations should we have …
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of values and ethics when looking at a potential partner… Plus, is there really an etiquette to “sharing food” when out on a date in "Wifey Lifey" In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou dishes the dirt on everything that happened whilst out on her most recent date… And explains why even SHE wouldn’t date someon…
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Theatrical productions allow playwrights and audiences alike to engage with historical and contemporary social realities. But what are the consequences when particular types of dramatic texts and performances are inadequately disseminated and preserved? Elena Machado Sáez (NHC Fellow, 2022–23) is analyzing the ways that Latinx theater in the United…
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In March 1850, five men and two women were photographed in the studio of South Carolina artist Joseph Zealy. When these daguerreotypes were uncovered in 1976, they quickly became some of the best-known pre-Civil War images of enslaved African Americans. Gregg Hecimovich (NHC Fellow, 2015–16; 2022–23) is asking important questions about why these im…
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As an art form, opera has proven to be simultaneously entertaining and relatable to diverse audiences, even though it has also been characterized by associations with whiteness and elitism. Naomi André (NHC Fellow, 2022–23) is working to tell a more comprehensive and inclusive story of this genre by constructing a history of Blackness in opera from…
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The British writer, reformer, and criminologist George Cecil Ives lived through a transformation in our collective understanding of sexuality. Born in 1867, Ives found early inspiration in the Classical tradition and witnessed the rise of sexology and psychoanalysis before his death in the mid-twentieth century. But Ives did not simply observe thes…
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In 1996, an exhibition entitled “Bearing Witness: Contemporary Works by African American Women Artists,” was produced for the Spelman College Museum of Fine Art’s contribution to the Olympic games held in Atlanta, Georgia. Today, Jontyle Theresa Robinson (NHC Fellow, 2022–23) is undertaking a multi-tiered initiative to reflect upon and advance the …
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The influence that Nina Simone and Langston Hughes have had on American music, literature, and culture can hardly be overstated. However, the relationship between these two figures has received little to no attention from scholars to date, despite their long history of collaboration. W. Jason Miller (NHC Fellow, 2022–23) is conducting research into…
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In this opening episode, Naomi and Lou officially introduce "What They Said...!" to the world and explain why they started it! Naomi shares advice on dating again, post break up in "Wifey Lifey" Lou gives her take on how she is finding the world of online dating in "Lou's Dating Diary" The Ladies ask the big question - 'Why is dating above 40, so d…
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This lecture illuminates the field of international possibility seen by a leading fraction of young Americans in the 1920s. It offers a counter-narrative to the well-worn account of American “expatriates” who succumbed to the seductions of Paris and soon returned home chastened. A far larger stratum of would-be writers lived outside the United Stat…
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When the Panama Canal opened in 1914, it not only revolutionized international trade, but brought about new developments in public health. While diseases like yellow fever and malaria were seen as an inherent threat of “the tropics” by the Americans and French, the process of constructing the canal actually created conditions in which such diseases…
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For the past twenty years, Nigerian filmmaking has dominated media production in Africa and among African diasporic communities. One of the most influential figures in this industry is the writer, director, and producer Femi Odugbemi, whose work is an example of the "socially responsible cinema" that has been under-explored in scholarly analyses of…
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Nineteenth-century American paintings frequently depict foreign settings, from the Caribbean to the Arctic. Many of these artworks seem to reveal moments of cultural exchange or scientific inquiry, but they have rarely been seen as evidence of the growing imperialist tendencies of the United States throughout this century.In this podcast, Maggie Ca…
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In the early twentieth century, psychoanalytic ideas based on the work of Sigmund Freud were taken up, translated, and even challenged by practitioners from a variety of geographic regions and backgrounds. However, the importance of psychoanalytic thought in China has not always been given adequate attention.In this podcast, Howard Chiang (NHC Fell…
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Widely understood as a destination for leisure and pleasure, the Caribbean has drawn visitors from the global north for over a century. Women have played a central role in establishing this image of the islands, from the proliferation of women's travel writing beginning in the late nineteenth century to their active roles in shaping the tourism and…
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In the 1772 court case “Somerset v Stewart,” an English court found that the concept of slavery had no basis in English law. Although this case has long been linked to the eventual abolition of the Atlantic slave trade in Britain, the emancipation of enslaved persons was a long and complex process.In this podcast, Tony Frazier (NHC Fellow, 2021–22)…
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Joy Connolly (NHC Trustee), President, American Council of Learned SocietiesA distinguished classics scholar as well as an accomplished academic administrator, Connolly argues in her most recent book, “The Life of Roman Republicanism” that “Cicero, Sallust, and Horace inspire fresh thinking about central concerns of contemporary political thought a…
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Andrew Delbanco (NHC Fellow, 2013–14), Alexander Hamilton Professor of American Studies at Columbia University; President, The Teagle FoundationFor decades after its founding, the fact that enslaved black people repeatedly risked their lives to flee their masters in the South in search of freedom in the North proved that the “united” states was act…
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Cara Robertson (NHC Trustee; NHC Fellow, 2004–05; 2005–06)When Andrew and Abby Borden were brutally hacked to death in Fall River, Massachusetts, in August 1892, the arrest of the couple’s younger daughter Lizzie turned the case into international news and her trial into a spectacle unparalleled in American history. Everyone—rich and poor, suffragi…
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Jane O. Newman (Trustee; NHC Fellow, 2015–16), Professor of Comparative Literature, University of California, IrvineAs constructed by Boccaccio, “The Decameron” is a classic collection of fourteenth-century stories, one hundred tales shared by a group of young men and women sheltering in a secluded villa outside Florence to avoid the Great Bubonic …
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Martha S. Jones (NHC Fellow, 2013–14), Society of Black Alumni Presidential Professor and Professor of History, Johns Hopkins UniversityIn the standard story, the suffrage crusade began in Seneca Falls in 1848 and ended with the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920. But this overwhelmingly white women’s movement did not win the vote for…
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Mia Bay (NHC Fellow, 2009–10), Roy F. and Jeannette P. Nichols Chair in American History, University of PennsylvaniaFrom stagecoaches and trains to buses, cars, and planes, “Traveling Black” explores when, how, and why racial restrictions took shape and brilliantly portrays what it was like to live with them. It also recounts the many forms of resi…
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Jacquelyn Dowd Hall (NHC Fellow, 1996–97), Julia Cherry Spruill Professor Emerita of History, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, National Humanities Medal RecipientDescendants of a prominent slaveholding family, Elizabeth, Grace, and Katharine Lumpkin grew up in a culture of white supremacy. But while Elizabeth remained a lifelong believe…
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Tsitsi Ella Jaji (NHC Fellow, 2017–18), Associate Professor of English, Duke UniversityZimbabwean poet and scholar Tsitsi Ella Jaji discusses and reads selections from “Mother Tongues: Poems,” her award-winning second book of verse, in which she explores our relationships with language, from the first words we learn to the vows we swear, examining …
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Andrew Jewett (NHC Fellow, 2013–14), Elizabeth D. Rockwell Visiting Professor of Ethics and Leadership, University of Houston“Science under Fire” reconstructs a century of battles over the cultural implications of science in the United States, showing how suspicion of scientific methods and motivation has played a major role in American politics an…
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Thomas M. Lekan (NHC Fellow, 2009–10; 2010–11; 2022–23), Professor of History, University of South CarolinaDemonstrating the conflicts between international conservation, nature tourism, decolonization, and national sovereignty, “Our Gigantic Zoo” explores the legacy of Bernhard Grzimek, Europe’s greatest wildlife conservationist, who portrayed him…
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Kim F. Hall (NHC Fellow, 2016–17), Lucyle Hook Professor of English and Professor of Africana Studies, Barnard College, Columbia UniversitySince her first book, “Things of Darkness,” appeared in 1996, Kim F. Hall’s work has helped generate a new wave of scholarship on race in Shakespeare and Renaissance/Early Modern texts. For this talk, she places…
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Bart D. Ehrman (NHC Fellow, 2009–10; 2018–19), James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel HillIn clear and compelling terms, Bart D. Ehrman recounts the long history of the afterlife, from the Epic of Gilgamesh to the writings of Augustine, focusing especially on the teachings of Jesus and his…
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John McGowan (NHC Fellow, 2017–18), John W. and Anna H. Hanes Distinguished Professor Emeritus of English, University of North Carolina at Chapel HillIn “Pragmatist Politics,” John McGowan suggests that perhaps the best response to the cynicism and despair that permeate contemporary American politics is a return to pragmatism. Offering an expansive…
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Martin Summers (NHC Fellow, 2013–14), Professor of History, Boston CollegeFounded in 1855 to treat insane soldiers and sailors as well as civilian residents in the nation’s capital, Saint Elizabeths became one of the country’s preeminent research and teaching psychiatric hospitals. From the beginning of its operation, Saint Elizabeths admitted blac…
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Alexis Pauline Gumbs (NHC Fellow, 2020–21), Independent Scholar, Writer, and ActivistThe second book in an experimental triptych, “M Archive ”is a series of poetic artifacts that speculatively documents the persistence of Black life following the worldwide cataclysm we are living through now. Engaging with the work of the foundational Black feminis…
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Catherine M. Cole (NHC Fellow, 2006–07), Divisional Dean of the Arts and Professor of Dance and English, University of Washington“Performance and the Afterlives of Injustice” reveals how the voices and visions of artists in South Africa and the Democratic Republic of Congo can help us see what otherwise evades perception from the injustices produce…
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Annette Gordon-Reed (NHC Trustee), Charles Warren Professor of American Legal History, Harvard Law School; Peter S. Onuf, Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation Professor, Emeritus, University of VirginiaPrimarily set at Monticello, where Jefferson not only developed his Enlightenment values but oversaw the workings of a slave plantation, “Most Bless…
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Joseph Luzzi (NHC Fellow, 2004–05), Professor of Comparative Literature, Bard CollegeOn a cold November morning, Bard College professor Joseph Luzzi found himself racing to the hospital—his wife, Katherine, eight-and-a-half months pregnant, had been in a horrible car accident. In an instant, Luzzi became both a widower and a first-time father. In t…
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Laura T. Murphy (NHC Fellow, 2017–18), Professor of Human Rights and Contemporary Slavery, Sheffield Hallam University“Freedomville” is the story of a small group of enslaved villagers in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, who founded their own town of Azad Nagar—Freedomville—after staging a rebellion against their slaveholders. But Laura T. Murphy…
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David Bromwich (NHC Trustee), Sterling Professor of English, Yale UniversitySince at least as far back as the expansion of the Vietnam War and the lies and coverups that brought down Richard Nixon, every presidency has further centralized and strengthened executive power, producing the political conditions for our present crisis. In “American Break…
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