A curiosity driven podcast about wisdom, learning and the personal and systemic implications of the transition we are in. Hosted by Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne.
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240. Giles Hutchins - The immanent and transcendent, leadership as facilitating unfolding and the harmonics of life
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Giles Hutchins (webpage) has been on the podcast before (EP107). Recently released his 6th book Nature Works which we center this conversation around. We deepdive into the meaning of the quote: "being intimate with the immanent and transparent with the transcendent". Giles also positions us nicely in where our society is currently, we speak o…
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239. Samantha Sweetwater - wisdom, sensemaking beyond thinking and the possibility that we were the ones who came home
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Samantha Sweetwater is a coach, author, holistic practitioner (webpage, LinkedIn, Instagram). We spoke of what is to have lived with the awareness of existential risk for 50 years. Which places it may take you. We speak of what it means to live in these times we live in and the possibilities it offers us. We speak of embodiment, enlifenment, aesthe…
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238. Vanessa Andreotti - Hospicing modernity, conversations that world, being the sh*t, accountability and compassion
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Vanessa Andreotti author of Hospicing Modernity, dean of the faculty of education at University of Victoria and member of the DCF collective came and spoke about what it takes to begin making space for something that isn't modernity. We speak of the importance of humor and humility, staying open to both the good and the sh*t, coming into contact wi…
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Intermezzo: To move in spaces where worlds shift
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This episode is an intermezzo. It is an audio version of Amit Pauls and Eric Lichtmans article in the Unpsychology Magazine 10: Edges: To move in spaces where worlds shift. Enjoy!
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237. Ida Faldbakken - Gatherings, being of service and co-creation
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Ida Faldbakken (LinkedIn), CEO of KatapultX and co-founder of Katapult Future Fest, and I had a deep inquiry into what it is to gather, what it's for and what it means to not waste peoples time. We also spoke about what it takes to break our habits, like what if the people on stage are there to propagate the conversation off stage, what if thes…
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236. Manish Jain - Alternatives to education and reclaiming learning and knowledge
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Manish Jain, founder of Swaraj University and Ecoversities Alliance is this weeks guest. We spoke of alternatives to education, why education as we think of it today may be one of the root causes of the metacrisis rather than a solution for it and we spoke of reclaiming learning and knowledge. The treachery of language like 'first generation le…
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235. Grace Rachmany - Democracy, the monetary system, commons and value
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Grace Rachmany of the Voices of humanty, Priceless DAO, DAO leadership and many more projects is this weeks guest. We spoke of democracy and the state of it, we spoke of decision making, what happens to a society that has the monetary system as it's primary social structure. We speak of value, commons, technology and responsibility. This conversati…
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234. Tanuja Prasad - Investments as a creative act, living systems and the potentiality of metaphor
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Tanuja Prasad (LinkedIn) and I had a conversation about her work in regenerative investments. We talked about the spirit of investments, the driving force behind investment up until this point, how to transcend the extractive paradigm and shift away from the control and force as the governing principles towards something more generative. Tanuja and…
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233. Eva Karlsson - Sustainable business, common sense and measurement
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Eva Karlsson (LinkedIn), CEO of Houdini Sportswear visited the podcast. We got to talk about solutions that are not solutions, the planetary boundaries in business, measurement, common sense, why joy at work is a radical thing to focus on. We also spoke of the benefit of having a strict set of design boundaries to work with, spoler: it spurs creati…
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232. Jeremy Johnson - Emergence from the middle, the importance of hesitation and going terrestial
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Jeremy D Johnson visited the podcast a second time after 2 years (website). This was a deep and curious conversation about change all the way down. We spoke of emergence happening in the middle, the idea of slowing down, the importance of hesitation, temporics of attention, the awakening of the relational (integrated) worldview in younger generatio…
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231. Jenny Grettve - the mothering economy, feminine futures, the importance of small things and love
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Jenny Grettve founder of the Economic Institue For Feminine Futures, author of the upcoming book Mothering economy came by the podcast. We spoke of why, with all our innovative capacity, it is so difficult to create a caring and kind economy? This is a conversation on many levels that zooms in and out of the economic, educational and systemic work …
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230. Eric "Zippy" Harris-Braun - Holochain, LLMs as grammar deducers and a new DNA for social organism
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Eric "Zippy" Harris-Braun, founder of Holochain, had a conversation about Holochain, agent centric vs data centric blockchains, the power of Holochain as one of the components of the DNA for social organisms. We speak about money and why it is not a very wholesome storage of value. We speak of gramatic capacity and LLMs as grammar deducers, the imp…
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229. Jeremy Akers - Liberating structures, coherence, change and game design
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Jeremy Akers from Gospel of change (Substack, X, LinkedIn) came by the podcast. We spoke of liberating structures, how to acheive coherence in groups and why that is crucial for the times we live in, game design and how that may take us forward. This is a conversation that orients towards the practical with some concrete tools and possibilities to …
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228. Soloepisode: Reflections on separation, control and survival, relaxing, repurposing and remembering
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Another solo episode with some pressing reflections that wanted to come out. I reflect on the myths of separation, control and survival. Also invite you to consider the Relax, Repurpose and Remember triad that Innrwrks is working on. Most of all I invite you to be with the very challenging (and rewarding perspective): If everything in this world is…
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227. Karl-Erik Edris - the smoke that connects Reality with words, civilisations, the axial age and how we got here
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Karl-Erik Edris came by for a second conversation (here's the first from nov 2023). This time we spoke of the rise of fall of civilizations, where we currently seem to be in this current change, the axial age, the fall of the roman empire, Jesus, modernity and what might be coming next. What is it that our current ways of treating eachother and the…
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226. Nora Wilhelm - Systems change work vs youth activism, burnout in systemic work and what it means to live.
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Nora Willhelm (web, linkedin) founder of the well, co-founder of Collaboratio Helvetica, alumn of the European youth parliament and much more came by the podcast. This is a specific and hands on conversation about what it takes to be one of those longing to bridge the existing system towards what is to come. The costs of being a bridge, why systemi…
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225. Michel Bauwens - What's next? Commons, the pulsation of the commons, technology and cosmolocalism
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Michel Bauwens (Substack and X) is a thought leader and researcher in the space of commons. Also the founder of the P2P foundation. We speak of the state of the commons, dive into the pulsation of the commons, the rise and fall of civilizations, and much more. Michel makes a beautiful argument for why we are currently moving towards a time when …
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224. Audrey Fillon & Victor Vorski: Gathering of the tribes, the ancient technology of gathering and how to get to action
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Audrey Fillon and Victor Vorski came on the podcast and we spoke of Gathering. They are co-creating the Gathering of the Tribes (links: Gathering of Tribes' website, LinkedIn, YouTube channel, Instagram, Newsletter) It was a beautiful conversation touching on the technology of gathering, the need for breaking silos, the Project, what these times ar…
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223. Amanda Argot Efthimiou - Integration, consequences of unintegrated cultures and peak experiences
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Amanda Argo Efthimiou (webpage, LinkedIn, instagram) is specialized in integration of peak experiences and altered states with a background in Neuroscience. We speak of integration as an ongoing process, how cultural context is critical in understanding how we think about integration. We speak of how to retain the potency of a peak experience and h…
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222. Christina Bengtsson - focus, uncluttering attention and expanding time
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Christina Bengtsson (LinkedIn, Tedtalk) founder of Reclaim Focus has been a world champion of precision shooting, military officer, author. We speak of what focus is, if it's effortful to be focused? We speak about time as well as the fundamentals: what is focus? We speak about how we create our present as well as our future depending on how we are…
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221. Louise Rönnerdahl - dehumanisation in companies, leadership and culture at large
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Louise Rönnerdahl (LinkedIn) executive coach and coach at Leader intelligence came on the podcast and spoke of the current trend towards dehumanisation. We spoke of the IQ the EQ and the SQ (spiritual intelligence) in the model Leader intelligence in Sweden is working with. As well as the intelligence of the body. The fact that a manager is both a …
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220. Christian Bason - Design, futures, innovation and why getting to a new how is crucial
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Christian Bason (LinkedIn) the former co-CEO of Danish Design Center and Director of MindLab, currently co-founder of the Transition Collective (intro). We had a deep conversation about what it takes to transition and transform our current society. We spoke of how to take seriously the how and begin to move away from problem solving that creates mo…
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219. Josephine Sundqvist - breaking silos, development, faith, leadership and the importance of hope
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Josephine Sundqvist the Secretary-General – CEO of LM International (Läkarmissionen) came on the podcast. We explored development and the importance of partnership. Why focusing on empowerment is more efficient than maximizing short term returns. Why it might be the right ove for companies as well to stop thinking of profits as the end and instead …
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218. Jack Manning Bancroft - Imagi-nation, custodianship and death
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Jack Manning Bancroft founder of AIME Mentoring came on for a wonderful conversation. We spoke of the work AIME is doing on imagin-nation as well as them designing and acting with a set death date. We spoke of custodianship, unexpected connections, marginal voices, the importance of getting rid of racism, power, moving people and being in the in-be…
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217. Carl Lindeborg - The authentic shift, inner critics and listening to oneself
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Carl Lindeborg (website) has worked with people and organisations as an advisor, consultant and teacher, both in Sweden and internationally for the past 20 years. He is the founder of Lindeborgs Eco Retreat and author of the book The authentic shift (Available in English and Swedish). This conversation is about the person an about the book, what it…
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216. Thor Sigfusson - 100% fish, clusters, innovation and relationships
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Thor Sigfusson director of the Icelandic ocean cluster and author of 100% fish came on the podcast and we spoke about fish, innovation, clusters, business, having the courage to speak 'normal Icelandic', circularity and doing it without knowing it, practitioners and many other things. This is a conversation about an industry with a huge impact in t…
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215. Jeff Su - Working with life as the model
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Jeff Su from nrythm and I got to speak about working with life as a model. This is a wonderful, tangible primer for those not familiar with what the regenerative paradigm is all about. Actually its probably a wonderful primer for even practitioners to check themselves around. Clear, precise and tangible. For entrepreneurs and established companies …
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214. Leyla Acaroglu: circularity, regeneration, systems perspectives and design
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Thought leader, designer and energy powerhouse Leyla Acaroglu (web, LinkedIn) came and talked about circularity, systemic perspectives, design and indigenous communities. We also talk about shit, what it is to suck at regeneration, participation in systems and learning. What does it mean to really take fully into account the context, whether it is …
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213. Nora Bateson - Going deeper. Meeting not matching and the importance of getting lost
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Nora Bateson came by the podcast again to speak in-depth about the concept of meeting, not matching problems. This is a wonderful concrete (not abstract) conversations that dives deep into this concept. A concept that is crucial for the world we're in. One that invites a different perception of it alltogether. Here's the first conversation. The boo…
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212. Alnoor Ladha & Lynn Murphy: Post capitalism, ontoshifting and the inner workings of the neoliberal culture
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Alnoor Ladha and Lynn Murphy came by the podcast talking about their work with post capitalism (webpage). This is a deep and through provoking conversation from a place in contact with also outside of the neoliberal, capitalist, western worldview. We touch upon a many different aspects of what being ecultured in modernity entails: our addiction to …
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211. Elina Eriksson - Transforming education, the case against nudging and unsticking our imagination
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Elina Eriksson Associate Professor at KTH (profile) came on the podcast and we talked about the work she's been doing with her students at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology around transformation and transition. We speak of nudging, counterfactional scenarios, university studies as learning not merely graduating, the paradigm shift, the new …
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210. Karoline Bottheim: Multi-stakeholder processes, certainty, moving complex topics, feelings as guides and the Bible
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Karonline Bottheim (LinkedIn) founder of Länka Consulting visited the podcast and we had a wonderful weaving around leading complex processes, certainty, communication, moving in the groan zone, trusting your feelings as portals for deeper explorations, learning and much more. This is s deepdive for those curious about complexity facilitation and w…
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209. Maria Haggo: Intuition, belonging, neuroscience as a way of meeting people where they are and curiosity
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Maria Haggo (LinkedIn) founder of Transform8, TEDx speaker and fellow curious came to the podcast. We had a conversation about different aspects of neuroscience and how getting savvy about it allows us to work and live better. This is a hands on conversation about relationships, emotions, triggers, ingroups and outgroups, who's fault it is, the uti…
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208. Ylva Björnberg and Alexander Crawford. Finding the space between worlds: the how, who and what of the anteroom.
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This is the third installment with Ylva and Alexander. This time we talk about the anteroom (mellanrum). This is the concept of the space between worlds where we can begin sensing and moving into what will come next. This is a powerful conversation about what it takes to go beyond the current paradigm. It is for those that are curious and intereste…
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207. Ralph Thurm. Redesign, resilience and regeneration. What it takes to regenerate
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Ralph Thurm (LinkedIn), Managing director of r3.0 joined me on the podcast. We spoke of the work r3.0 is doing and regenerative transformation. We spoke of the evolution of the field of sustainability, what it means to regeneratively redesign, as well as the flaws (and as what r3.0 has done to amend them) of the current discourse of sustainability.…
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206. Linda Jarnhamn - brains, efficiency, productivity and what it takes to take the first step
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Linda Jarnhamn (LinkedIn) founder of Flow2thrive came on the podcast and we spoke about productivity, brains and culture change. Linda's perspective on how we can leverage data to invite people to begin their journeys and how wearable's are wonderful tools to remember what it feels like to 'feel good'. We also speak about collective interoception a…
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205. Alex Carabi: Relationality, ways of relating, trappings of language and Martin Buber
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Alex Carabi coach, author and fellow curious on the discovery of a relational world. We speak about Alex's journey into coaching as well as his book On Relationality and Alex beautifully unfolds some of Martin Bubers thinking. We speak of relationality, of risk or perceived risk, including the other and utilizing the other, attending and different …
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204. Dovev Lavie: The cooperative economy and incentivising prosocial behavior
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Professor Dovev Lavie is an economics professor that began experimenting with new forms of economic exchange during the pandemic. A concept he developed and unfolded in his book. More info can be found here Cooperative Economy. This conversations take us through some of the symptoms of the current economy and we discuss underlying causes as well as…
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203. Soloepisode: New years reflection on hospicing modernity as well as getting of the map and befriending the other
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This is a solo episode with a reflection for the new year. My 111th episode as co-host of the World of Wisdom podcast. I touch upon 3 topics that are central in my current exploration: the idea of hospicing modernity, why the work I've been involved with around the masculine and the feminine seems to be about the other and getting off the map and i…
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202. Nora Bateson - Worldviews, possibilities, communication, readying, the unseen and change
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Nora Bateson founder of Warm data labs and author of the book Combining came on the podcast for a warm, worldbending conversation. We speak of this world we live in and what it means to be involved in its unfolding through some of the concepts in Noras current book Combining. We speak of confusion, complexity, abouting, readying, shifting, communic…
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201. Mandy Martini - Indigenous wisdom, western culture, completing cycles and healing trauma
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Mandy Martini Chihuailaf (webpage) came on the podcast. We spoke about indigenous wisdom, remembering, and why our western culture seems to be so stuck. Mandy works with indigenous approaches to moving through trauma and stress. Healing it by completing they cycle, just like any other wound. We also spoke of our current perdicament, remembering who…
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200. Darcia Narvaez - The evolved nest and the fact that how we care for eachother influences the world
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Darcia Narvaez, Professor of Psychology at Notre Dame university (web, university) has lived many contexts and careers before she started her research on the Evolved nest and the kinship worldview. She has written a number of books on the topic of how we care for our children, or lack of care for them, has deep implications for the world we live in…
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199. Merlin Bola - Different worldviews: Quantum darwinism, vortexes and the way of water
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Merlin Bola (Grow in Flow, LinkedIn) is a fellow curious building regenerative bridges into the fog, into whatever is to come next. This conversation is a wide ranging exploration into the realms at the edges of science and what is to come. We deal with quantum darwinism, neurodiversity, other perspectives on our brains (and bodies) self healing ca…
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198. Olivia Lazard - Ecology, peace and security and how Europe is intensively dealing with its past and future
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Olivia Lazard (LinkedIn, writing) is an analyst, scientist and thinker looking at the intersection of peace, planetary security and ecology. This is a conversation that takes us into the current predicament through the lens of security and peace. Olivia has a unique view into the European project and we touch on some of the most potent tension at t…
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197. Jonas Roupé: Waking up to the state of the world, taking the consequences and remembering joy and agency
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Jonas Roupé (LinkedIn, webpage) is a strategist and human being as well as a magician. This conversation touches upon the work he has been involved with from ecocide to making business more circular. But most of all we talk about the concept of resilience and agency in a time of crisis and collapse. Jonas outlines a pathway towards life that is per…
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196. Karl-Erik Edris - hands on, personal approaches to change and decentering grand narratives
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Karl-Erik Edris is an author (books in Swedish), thinker and educator on the topic of leadership. We took a deep dive into the why grand narratives are probably not what we need right now, why life is probably about revealing your own stupidity to yourself and how the state of the world right now is probably not something we did wrong, rather just …
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195. Maria Zachs: The development sector, listening to those one is helping and being aligned with ones values
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Maria Zachs the passionate, values driven activist and founder of the Voices4Change foundation as well as the initiative Growth4change introducing hydrophonic growing techniques in one of Kenyas poorer communities. Maria speaks of her approach to local democracy, empowerment, being values driven as well as acting in full alignment with those values…
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194. Jim Wallenberg: Management, engagement, communication and socioeconmic journeys
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Jim Wallenberg is a company advisor, speaker, change leader. We spoke about engagement, working in different capacities in a company, how it is possible that many people still seem to think that engagement in a company is some random magic or luck and not a result of hard work. We also spoke about how to not get hired as a manager and what it takes…
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193. Mark Milton - Sports, listening, relational consiousness and learning without conclusion
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Mark Milton (LinkedIn) founder of Education 4 Peace and Spirit of Humanity Forum, former director of IFOTES and co-author of the book Master of Emotions joined the podcast speaking of his long passion for listening and where his own listening brought him. This conversation touches upon the possibility of sports in peace and consciousness developmen…
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192. Jon Smieja: The culture of convenience, the state of the circular economy and product blindness
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Jon Smeija from the Green Biz Group came by. We talked about the state of the circular economy and the challenge we are facing in the next few decades. Jon is a chemist by training and has been in technical roles in corporations for most of his career until he stepped over to the green biz group where he runs their event on circular economy. We spe…
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