The Application Security Weekly podcast delivers interviews and news from the worlds of AppSec, DevOps, DevSecOps, and all the other ways people find and fix software flaws. Join hosts Mike Shema, John Kinsella, and Akira Brand on a journey through modern security practices for apps, clouds, containers, and more.
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The Fallout and Lessons Learned from the CrowdStrike Fiasco - Shimon Modi, Jeff Pollard, Allie Mellen, Boaz Barzel - ASW #296
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This week, Jeff Pollard and Allie Mellen join us to discuss the fallout and lessons learned from the CrowdStrike fiasco. They explore the reasons behind running in the kernel, the challenges of software quality, and the distinction between a security incident and an IT incident. They also touch on the need to reduce the attack surface and the impor…
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When Appsec Needs to Start Small - Kalyani Pawar, Danny Jenkins, Nikos Kiourtis - ASW #295
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Startups and small orgs don't have the luxury of massive budgets and large teams. How do you choose an appsec approach that complements a startup's needs while keeping it secure. Kalyani Pawar shares her experience at different ends of an appsec maturity spectrum. In complex software ecosystems, individual application risks are compounded. When it …
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Building Successful Security Champions Programs - Marisa Fagan - ASW #294
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Even though Security Champions programs look very different across organizations and maturity levels, they share core principles for becoming successful. Marisa shares her experience in building these programs to foster a positive security culture within companies. She explains the incentives and rewards that lead to more engagement from champions …
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A CISO's Perspective on AI, Appsec, and Changing Behaviors - ASW #293
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Modern appsec isn't modern because security tools got shifted in one direction or another, or because teams are finding and fixing more vulns. It's modern because appsec is meeting developer needs and supporting the business. Paul Davis talks about how AI is (and isn't) changing appsec, the KPIs that reflect outcomes rather than being busy, and the…
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Where Generative AI Can Actually Help Security (And Where It Doesn't) - Farshad Abasi, Allie Mellen - ASW #292
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Generative AI has produced impressive chatbots and content generation, but however fun or impressive those might be, they don't always translate to value for appsec. Allie brings some realistic expectations to how genAI is used by attackers and can be useful to defenders. Segment resources: https://www.forrester.com/blogs/generative-ai-will-not-ful…
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Producing Secure Code by Leveraging AI - Stuart McClure - ASW #291
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How can LLMs be valuable to developers as an assistant in finding and fixing insecure code? There are a lot of implications in trusting AI or LLMs to not only find vulns, but in producing code that fixes an underlying problem without changing an app's intended behavior. Stuart McClure explains how combining LLMs with agents and RAGs helps make AI-i…
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State Of Application Security 2024 - Sandy Carielli, Janet Worthington - ASW #290
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Sandy Carielli and Janet Worthington, authors of the State Of Application Security 2024 report, join us to discuss their findings on trends this year! Old vulns, more bots, and more targeted supply chain attacks -- we should be better at this by now. We talk about where secure design fits into all this why appsec needs to accelerate to ludicrous sp…
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OAuth 2.0 from Protecting APIs to Supporting Authorization & Authentication - Aaron Parecki - ASW #289
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OAuth 2.0 is more than just a single spec and it's used to protect more than just APIs. We talk about challenges in maintaining a spec over a decade of changing technologies and new threat models. Not only can OAuth be challenging to secure by default, but it's not even always inter-operable. Segment Resources: https://oauth.net/2.1 https://oauth.n…
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Check out this interview from the ASW Vault, hand picked by main host Mike Shema! This segment was originally published on April 4, 2023. Following on from her successful title "Container Security", Liz has recently authored "Learning eBPF", published by O'Reilly. eBPF is a revolutionary kernel technology that is enabling a whole new generation of …
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Microsoft Recall's Security & Privacy, Hacking Web APIs, Secure Design Pledge - ASW #288
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Looking at use cases and abuse cases of Microsoft's Recall feature, examples of hacking web APIs, CISA's secure design pledge, what we look for in CVEs, a nod to PHP's history, and more! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-288…
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Open Source Software Supply Chain Security & The Real Crisis Behind XZ Utils - Idan Plotnik, Luis Villa, Erez Hasson - ASW #287
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Open source has been a part of the software supply chain for decades, yet many projects and their maintainers remain undersupported by the companies that consume them. The security responsibilities for project owners has increased not only in dealing with security disclosures, but in maintaining secure processes backed by strong authentication and …
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Securing Shadow Apps & Protecting Data - Guy Guzner, Pranava Adduri - ASW Vault
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With hundreds or thousands of SaaS apps to secure with no traditional perimeter, Identity becomes the focal point for SaaS Security in the modern enterprise. Yet with Shadow IT, now recast as Business-Led IT, quickly becoming normal practice, it’s more complicated than trying to centralize all identities with an Identity Provider (IdP) for Single S…
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Collecting Bounties and Building Communities - Ben Sadeghipour - ASW Vault
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Check out this interview from the ASW Vault, hand picked by main host Mike Shema! This segment was originally published on April 18, 2023. We talk with Ben about the rewards, hazards, and fun of bug bounty programs. Then we find out different ways to build successful and welcoming communities. Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/vault-asw-9…
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Node.js Secure Coding - Oliver Tavakoli, Chris Thomas, Liran Tal - ASW #286
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Secure coding education should be more than a list of issues or repeating generic advice. Liran Tal explains his approach to teaching developers through examples that start with exploiting known vulns and end with discussions on possible fixes. Not only does this create a more engaging experience, but it also relies on code that looks familiar to d…
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Inside the OWASP Top 10 for LLM Applications - Sandy Dunn, Mike Fey, Josh Lemos - ASW #285
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Everyone is interested in generative AIs and LLMs, and everyone is looking for use cases and apps to apply them to. Just as the early days of the web inspired the original OWASP Top 10 over 20 years ago, the experimentation and adoption of LLMs has inspired a Top 10 list of their own. Sandy Dunn talks about why the list looks so familiar in many wa…
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AI & Hype & Security (Oh My!) & Hacking AI Bias - Caleb Sima, Keith Hoodlet - ASW #284
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A lot of AI security has nothing to do with AI -- things like data privacy, access controls, and identity are concerns for any new software and in many cases AI concerns look more like old-school API concerns. But...there are still important aspects to AI safety and security, from prompt injection to jailbreaking to authenticity. Caleb Sima explain…
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Why Companies Continue to Struggle with Supply Chain Security - Melinda Marks - ASW #283
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Companies deploy tools (usually lots of tools) to address different threats to supply chain security. Melinda Marks shares some of the chaos those companies still face when trying to prioritize investments, measure risk, and scale their solutions to keep pace with their development. Not only are companies still figuring out supply chain, but now th…
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Sustainable Funding of Open Source Tools - Mark Curphey, Simon Bennetts - ASW #282
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How can open source projects find a funding model that works for them? What are the implications with different sources of funding? Simon Bennetts talks about his stewardship of Zed Attack Proxy and its journey from OWASP to OpenSSF to an Open Source Fellowship with Crash Override. Mark Curphy adds how his experience with OWASP and the appsec commu…
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Demystifying Security Engineering Career Tracks - Karan Dwivedi - ASW #281
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There are as many paths into infosec as there are disciplines within infosec to specialize in. Karan Dwivedi talks about the recent book he and co-author Raaghav Srinivasan wrote about security engineering. There's an appealing future to security taking on engineering roles and creating solutions to problems that orgs face. We talk about the breadt…
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Lessons That The XZ Utils Backdoor Spells Out - Farshad Abasi - ASW #280
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We look into the supply chain saga of the XZ Utils backdoor. It's a wild story of a carefully planned long con to add malicious code to a commonly used package that many SSH connections rely on. It hits themes from social engineering and abuse of trust to obscuring the changes and suppressing warnings. It also has a few lessons about software devel…
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Infosec Myths, Mistakes, and Misconceptions - Adrian Sanabria - ASW #279
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Sometimes infosec problems can be summarized succinctly, like "patching is hard". Sometimes a succinct summary sounds convincing, but is based on old data, irrelevant data, or made up data. Adrian Sanabria walks through some of the archeological work he's done to dig up the source of some myths. We talk about some of our favorite (as in most dislik…
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Successful Security Needs a Streamlined UX - Benedek Gagyi - ASW #278
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One of the biggest failures in appsec is an attitude that blames users for security problems. A lot of processes and workflows break down because of an insecure design or insecure defaults. Benedek Gagyi chats with us about the impact of the user experience (UX) on security and why it's not only important to understand how to make a user's life eas…
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Figuring Out Where Appsec Fits When Starting a Cybersecurity Program - Tyler VonMoll - ASW #277
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Lots of companies need cybersecurity programs, as do non-profits. Tyler Von Moll talks about how to get small organizations started on security and how to prioritize initial investments. While an appsec program likely isn't going to be one of the first steps, it's going to be an early one. What decisions can you make at the start that will benefit …
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More API Calls, More Problems: The State of API Security in 2024 - Lebin Cheng - ASW #276
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A majority of internet traffic now originates from APIs, and cybercriminals are taking advantage. Increasingly, APIs are used as a common attack vector because they’re a direct pathway to access sensitive data. In this discussion, Lebin Cheng shares what API attack trends Imperva, a Thales Company has observed over the past year, and what steps org…
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The Simple Mistakes and Complex Seeds of a Vulnerability Management Program - Emily Fox - ASW #275
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The need for vuln management programs has been around since the first bugs -- but lots of programs remain stuck in the past. We talk about the traps to avoid in VM programs, the easy-to-say yet hard-to-do foundations that VM programs need, and smarter ways to approach vulns based in modern app development. We also explore the ecosystem of acronyms …
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