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The Iconocast is a collective project of a handful of radical practitioners, separated by thousands of miles, each exploring the way of Jesus in the Empire. Usually, episodes follow an interview format. We don’t always interview Christians or anarchists. Rather, we interview those who we believe have some wisdom to share for those who are exploring the intersection of Christianity and anarchism.
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Encountering Silence

Cassidy Hall, Kevin Johnson, Carl McColman

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Explore the beauty, importance, and vitality of silence, as we explore the spirituality, psychology, and sheer humanity of silence. Subscribe to the podcast through Amazon, Google, or your favorite podcast subscription site. If you enjoy the podcast, please share us with your friends — and please support us through Patreon.
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What is the relationship between language and silence? Between words and truth-telling? How can we foster a more truly contemplative relationship with the way we speak to one another? These are the kinds of questions that informed this episode of Encountering Silence, in which Carl, Cassidy and Kevin welcome author and spiritual teacher Marilyn McE…
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I sat down with Roger Wolsey to discuss his book Discovering Fire: Spiritual Practices that Transform Lives. Roger is a spiritual director, pastor, speaker and blogger. He is well known in progressive Christian circles as the author of Kissing Fish: Christianity for People Who Don't Like Christianity. His latest book explores spiritual practices th…
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I got to talk with Aaron Burns and Matt Mikalatos about their new book, Praying with Saint Patrick: Prayers and Devotions Inspired by the Irish Hero of the Faith. Aaron is a filmmaker (producer, director, screenwriter) and Matt is an author, screenwriter and speaker (and my first repeat guest!). The two of them previously collaborated in writing th…
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I got to sit down with Maki Ash Van Steenwyk (She/They) to discuss the role that embodiment plays in spirituality, activism, in our mutual belonging, and in the ways, we navigate the world. If you want to connect with Ashe in her work, head on over to Center for Prophetic Imagination website: https://propheticimagination.org/ Or you can also follow…
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Julio Hernandez is a pastor and activist here in the US, but his family heritage is Salvadorian. We got together to discuss the legacy and witness of Archbishop Óscar Romero and the first of his Pastoral Letters, The Easter Church, written on Easter Sunday, April 10, 1977. If you are interested in learning more about Saint Óscar Romero, you can fin…
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I got to chat with Christine Sine—author, activist, gardener, contemplative, spiritual director and "liturgical rebel—about what Lent is and how we can practice it. What I loved about this conversation was how passionate and insightful Christine is. And I learned a lot. Did you know that Lent was in the hunger time in the Northern Hemisphere, so th…
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Mark Yaconelli wrote Between the Listening and the Telling in 2022. We had a great conversation about it then, and after a long delay I present it to you for your listening pleasure. Mark reminds us of the hunger in each of us to connect, to be heard, to be understood. You will want to listen to this! You can order Mark's book from Broadleaf Books:…
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The Encountering Silence team returns with an interview recorded last spring but unreleased until now! Cassidy, Kevin and Carl sat down for a contemplative conversation with Maki Ashe Van Steenwyk (she/they), a queer mystic who is the author of three books and the executive director of the Center for Prophetic Imagination in Minneapolis. Maki Ashe …
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Adam Shields is a book blogger (at Bookwi.se) and a spiritual director (at aspiritualdirector.com). In this episode we discuss the nature of Spiritual Discernment, what it is, why it is an important part of Christian Spirituality, and what are some misunderstands, obstacles and limitations to discernment. You can catch up with Adam on his blog or o…
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Jackie Allen-Ducot is a spiritual director, a member and cofounder of the Hartford Catholic Worker (HartfordCatholicWorker.org), and an artist. We got together to talk about hope, activism and art, and how both protest and art looks at the grim realities of our present world and helps us imagine what it would be like to inhabit a different world.…
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One of my favorite seasons in the church year is this season before Christmas (beginning Sunday Dec. 3 this year) where we prepare our hearts for Christmas and the coming of Christ. I sat down to talk to Stacey Gleddiesmith, Director of Worship Arts at Columbia Bible College, in Abbotsford, BC to discuss what Advent is and how we may practice it. Y…
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I got to sit down with author, pastor, spiritual director Zac Cannon to discuss his creative process and the ways spiritual direction and spiritual practices have enabled to be more present in his vocation as writer and as a creative. Zac is a good friend and we got to hang out together as part of a Spiritual Direction program we both attended. You…
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Who are our ancestors and why does that matter? Why do we tell certain family stories and not other ones? Are there ancestors we need to hear from or ones we need to heal from? I got to sit down with Sandhya Rani Jha (They/Them) to discuss their new book, Rebels, Despots, and Saints: The Ancestors Who Free Us & The Ancestors We Need to Free and the…
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I caught up with Dan Wolpert to discuss with him the new edition fo his first book, Creating a Life with God: The Call of Ancient Prayer Practices which Upper Room Books recently re-released as a 20th Anniversary Revised Edition. Daniel Wolpert is the cofounder of the Minnesota Institute of Contemplation and Healing (MICAH). He worked as a research…
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I had a chance to sit down with Kathy Khang and Matt Mikalatos to discuss their new book, Loving Disagreement: Fighting for Community Through the Fruit of the Spirit. While fighting, dissension, and disagreement are commonplace. in today's world, many of us run from conflict. Others of us, dig our heels and get ready to fight. Mikalatos and Khang e…
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Friends, here is the latest episode of the Encountering Silence podcast. This episode features a conversation the Encountering Silence team had last year with Buddhist author Kaira Jewel Lingo, author of We Were Made for These Times: Ten Lessons in Moving through Change, Loss and Disruption. Kaira Jewel Lingo is a Dharma teacher who has a lifelong …
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Dr. Joy A. Schroeder, a Lutheran pastor, joins the Encountering Silence team to explore the shadow side of silence — in this case, the silencing of many significants voices in the Christian tradition, of women Bible interpreters. Dr. Schroeder is a specialist in the history of biblical interpretation. She is professor of church history at Trinity L…
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I sat down and had a conversation with Kevin Sweeney. He is the author of The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It's Okay for Everyone to Relax. We talked about what a mystic is and what it means to pursue a direct relationship with the divine, what it means to die, and how to live You can catch up with Kev…
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I had the privilege of speaking with Dr. Carmen Acevedo Butcher about her new translation of Brother Lawrence's Practice of the Presence from Broadleaf books. You can find out more about Carmen or order her books from her website - CarmenButcher.com The music on this podcast was Lawrence Grey's Laundromatted (CC BY 3.0)…
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Carmen Acevedo Butcher, Ph.D., is renowned for her luminous translation of The Cloud of Unknowing with the Book of Privy Counsel. Her latest book — a new translation of Brother Lawrence's Practice of the Presence — will be published on Tuesday, August 25, 2022. The Encountering Silence team sat down with her recently and spoke about translation, my…
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The Encountering Silence co-hosts (Cassidy Hall, Kevin Johnson and Carl McColman) recently spoke with Servite Sister Joyce Rupp, on the occasion of the publication of her most recent book, Return to the Root: Reflections on the Inner Life. Joyce Rupp is well known for her work as a writer, international retreat leader, and conference speaker. She i…
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The Reverend Doctor Sarah Griffith Lund returns to Encountering Silence to talk about her latest book, Blessed Youth: Breaking the Silence about Mental Health with Children and Teens. She is also the author of Blessed Are the Crazy: Breaking the Silence about Mental Illness, Family and Church, Blessed Union: Breaking the Silence about Mental Illnes…
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The Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis—Author, Activist, and Public Theologian—is the first female and first Black Senior Minister to serve in the historic Collegiate Church of New York, which dates to 1628. A graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary, Dr. Lewis and her activist work have been featured by the TODAY Show, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Wall Str…
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New York Times bestselling author Nikki Grimes is the recipient of the 2020 ALAN Award for outstanding contributions to young adult literature, the 2017 Children's Literature Legacy Award, the 2016 Virginia Hamilton Literary Award, and the 2006 NCTE Award for Excellence in Poetry for Children. Her distinguished works include the much-honored books …
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Dr. Amy Frykholm is an American writer whose five books of non-fiction have covered the territory of American religion from apocalypticists to saints. She is an award-winning writer and senior editor for the magazine The Christian Century, appears frequently on television and radio programs as an expert in American religion, and has lectured widely…
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DR. KEVIN QUASHIE is a professor of English at Brown University. He is the author of The Sovereignty of Quiet: Beyond Resistance in Black Culture and Black Women, Identity, and Cultural Theory: (Un)Becoming the Subject. Silence often denotes something that is suppressed or repressed, and is an interiority that is about withholding, absence, and sti…
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MAISIE SPARKS is an author, speaker, spiritual director, and retreat facilitator. Her books include Christmas Quiet, 151 Things God Can't Do, 101 Things the Devil Can’t Do, and Holy Shakespeare: 101 Scriptures That Appear in Shakespeare’s Plays, Poems and Sonnets. She is an active member of the Spiritual Directors of Color Network, and her essays h…
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Dr. Beverly Lanzetta is a theologian, contemplative scholar, interfaith chaplain, and teacher of new traditions of contemplative wisdom. She is the author of numerous books on emerging universal spirituality and new monasticism, including Radical Wisdom: A Feminist Mystical Theology, Emerging Heart: Global Spirituality and the Sacred, Nine Jewels o…
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What if we truly belong to each other? What if we are all walking around shining like the sun Mystic, monk, and activist Thomas Merton asked those questions over half a century ago. Writer Sophfronia Scott is asking them today. Sophfronia Scott grew up in Lorain, Ohio, a hometown she shares with author Toni Morrison. She holds a BA in English from …
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This week's episode features the conclusion of our conversation with bestselling author and Episcopal priest Barbara Brown Taylor. Click here to listen to part one. Renowned for her preaching as well as her writing, Barbara Brown Taylor is the author of a widely acclaimed memoir, Leaving Church; subsequent books like An Altar in the World, Learning…
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A while back, our co-host Carl McColman was impressed by a preacher he heard in Atlanta. In his words: Back in the spring of 1988, I was living in Atlanta and on occasion would worship at All Saints’ Episcopal Church near the campus of Georgia Tech. On more than one occasion, I was impressed by the preaching of one of the associate priests on staff…
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In this very first Episode of Contemplating Now, Cassidy Hall interviews previous guest of Encountering Silence, Therese Taylor-Stinson in a conversation titled, "Everybody Can Be A Mystic." “I think everybody can be a mystic… Mystic means you’re living with a certain amount of uncertainty.” –Therese Taylor-Stinson Therese is the co-editor of "Embo…
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