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Practical Radicals

Deepak Bhargava and Stephanie Luce

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How do underdogs, facing far stronger opponents, sometimes win? In this biweekly podcast, based on their book "Practical Radicals: Seven Strategies to Change the World," Deepak Bhargava and Stephanie Luce talk with some of the leading progressive organizers and thinkers today and share insights crucial for the fight to build a better society. You can buy the book and find out more about the show at www.practicalradicals.org
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The Deep Dive

Philip McKenzie

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The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Philip welcomes Matthew Elia to discuss his new book, The Problem of the Christian Master. Taking a turn into the theological we discuss how St. Augustine’s relationship with the master/slave duality has impacted modern Christian thinking. We dissect how this connects to Black Studies, liberation politics and on the other side of the equation Chris…
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In this, our final episode of the Practical Radicals Podcast, we hear from over a dozen progressive leaders, including several former students, and reflect with them about what we’ve learned since the book Practical Radicals came out last November and what we make of the path ahead — as the U.S. and the world face a daunting and overlapping set of …
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Philip welcomes Colin Strong to the show where they discuss his book Out of Time. In their conversation, they tackle the meaning of time, literally and figuratively, and how it impacts how we know and understand our place in the world. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and cre…
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Most famous guides to strategy are written for overdogs. (Think of Machiavelli’s The Prince or Sun Tzu’s Art of War.) And overdogs today invest in strategic education at a scale that dwarfs anything on the left. Their commitment is captured in the slogan of the right-wing Leadership Institute, which has trained over 200,000 people: “You owe it to y…
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Philip welcomes Jorell Melendez-Badillo author of Puerto Rico: A National History to the show. In their conversation they discuss the pre-colonial and colonial history of Puerto Rico and what the island nation teaches us about the legacy and current status of American Empire. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty…
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Philip welcomes Anthea Lawson, author of The Entangled Activist to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss the meaning and weight of the word activist and how to confront the limitations, contradictions and setbacks that come from working in activist spaces in order to better create an environment for change. The Drop – The segment of th…
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In the struggle to abolish slavery — the social movement that arguably set the template for all that followed — organizers used all seven strategies we identify in Practical Radicals. According to our guest, historian Manisha Sinha, the abolitionists were “radical in their goals . . . but pragmatic in implementation” — the quintessential practical …
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Philip welcomes Stephanie Luce to the show to discuss her book Practical Radicals: Seven Strategies to Change the World. In their conversation they discuss the history of movement politics and discern how to make change against opposing perspectives and support radical agendas. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tas…
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Philip welcomes Christopher Paul Harris to the show to discuss his book To Build a Black Future. In their conversation, they work through that do potential future(s) look like that inhabit a safe and rewarding world for Black people and centers Black culture. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intel…
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Underdogs often respond to systemic oppression through collective care – acts of mutual aid and cooperation with the goal of meeting people’s basic survival needs when the state fails to do so. Some people feel collective care is just what we should do as decent human beings, but that it isn’t a strategy for systemic social change. Others are more …
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Philip welcomes Lauren Lassabe Shepherd to the show to discuss her book Resistance from the Right: Conservatives & The Campus Wars in Modern America. In their conversation, they look at how the current campus uprising and the university and media response takes its cues from the conservative reaction to progressive movements from the 60s to current…
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Sometimes social movements can spread like wildfire. From the sit-ins of the Civil Rights movement to the sea change in support for marriage equality, from the divestment campaign to end apartheid in South Africa to the climate justice movement winning the largest climate bill in history (2022’s Inflation Reduction Act) — the strategy model known a…
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Philip welcomes Dr. Edda L. Fields-Black to discuss her new book , COMBEE: Harriet Tubman, the Combahee River Raid, and Black Freedom during the Civil War. In their conversation they explore the historical impact of enslaved Blacks on the wealth creation of the South and the legacy of Harriet Tubman in the fight against slavery and the Confederacy.…
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In the right circumstances, progressive groups can work with progressive insiders in government to win big policy changes. In this episode, we consider “inside-outside campaigns,” including what makes them possible and some of the inevitable tensions that they create, for example about when and how to compromise when a coalition doesn’t have enough…
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Philip welcomes long time friends and deep thinkers Juliette Powell & Sean Gayle to the show. In our conversation we discuss Juliette’s book The AI Dilemna: 7 Principles for Responsible Technology. Collectively we engage to parse and dissect the way AI and Big Tech are moving in the world of culture and society. The Drop – The segment of the show w…
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Philip welcomes 2x guest Dr. Anastasia Karklina Gabriel back to The Deep Dive to discuss the release of her first book: Cultural Intelligence for Marketers. In their conversation they discuss cultural fluency, the multiplicity of identity, and whether marketers are ready to embrace cultural intelligence. The Drop – The segment of the show where Phi…
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Episode 7: Electoral Strategies with Maurice Mitchell Many progressives are cynical about electoral politics. But our guest today explains why engaging in electoral politics is crucial for building the kind of society we want. Maurice Mitchell is the National Director of the Working Families Party, a savvy, independent political organization that h…
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Philip welcomes Will Cockrell climber/author to The Deep Dive to discuss how book Everest Inc. In their conversation, they explore the sometimes harsh realities behind the growing climbing industry and how Mt. Everest in particular has become the epicenter of the global climbing rush. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest sh…
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Philip welcomes prolific writer and thinker Cory Doctrow to the show where they discuss two of Cory’s latest books, The Bezzle and The InternetCon as well as the general “enshittification” of our institutions. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Dr…
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In the past two decades, progressives have gotten far more savvy at the strategy we call “narrative shift,” learning how to challenge the dominant story and change the common sense on key issues. For example, on same-sex marriage, activists drove a sea change in public sentiment — from 27% support in 1996 to 71% in 2023. And research shows that Occ…
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Philip welcomes Dan Hill, Director, Melbourne School of Design to the show and they take a rambling journey through the worlds of architecture, design, music and all the gaps and cracks they can manage. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Sho…
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In this episode, we explore the strategy of disruption and talk with one of its leading theorists and practitioners, the legendary scholar and activist Frances Fox Piven. Stephanie and Deepak begin by distinguishing protest from disruption, two types of action that are often confused. They consider famous instances of disruption, like the mass acti…
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Philip welcomes historian and author Lauren Benton to the show to discuss her latest book They Called it Peace: Worlds of Imperial Violence. In their conversation, they explore how empire, small wars and plunder are key elements of how we think about peace. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intelle…
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Philip welcomes lecturer and author Ida Danewid to the show to discuss her work Resisting Racial Capitalism. In their conversation, they explore Ida’s scholarship and how it confronts the way we think of racial capitalism and challenge our current governing structures and organizations. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest …
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In the Spring of 2021, dozens of immigrant New Yorkers, mostly women, launched a hunger strike that lasted 23 days and was the climax of a campaign to win an unprecedented $2.1 billion relief package for workers who had been excluded from unemployment benefits, federal stimulus checks, and rent relief. At the time, many thought the campaign’s deman…
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Philip welcomes design scholar Lesley-Ann Noel back to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book Design Social Change. In their conversation they discuss how design intentionally done can be a catalyst for driving social change. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative mu…
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Philip welcomes authors Greg Glasgow & Kathryn Mayer to discuss their book Disneyland on the Mountain. Their conversation examines Disney at a remarkable time in its history and how its ambition helped launch the modern environmental movement. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness…
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To succeed, any social movement needs people power. And, as the great Ella Baker preached, that takes a lot of slow, respectful work to forge relationships — what she called “spadework.” Base-building is the first of the “seven strategies to change the world” that we elaborate on in our book Practical Radicals. And base-building is so important tha…
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Philip welcomes historian Margaret D. Jacobs author of One Hundred Winters: In Search of Reconciliation on America’s Stolen Lands. In their conversation, they discuss the history of stolen lands in the foundation of America and the possibility of reconciliation against the colonial settler legacy. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and…
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Philip welcomes columnist/writer Brian Merchant to the show to discuss his latest book, Blood in the Machine. In their conversation they trace the history of the Luddite movement and how it connects to the current pushback against Silicon Valley and tech titans. Special Guest: Brian Merchant.By Philip McKenzie
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The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King famously said, “Power without love is reckless and abusive, and . . . love without power is sentimental and anemic.” But many on the left seem allergic to power. This episode starts with a fundamental question: What is power? Drawing on the influential sociologists Michael Mann and Erik Olin Wright, Stephanie and Dee…
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Philip welcomes back Joy James to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book New Bones Abolition: Captive Maternal and the (after)life of Erica Garner. In their conversation, they discuss the power and scope of the abolition movement, the dismissal of Harvard President Claudine Gay and more. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his gue…
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Philip spends time with the authors of We Are Not Users exploring the importance of our being human against the disembodied narrative of people merely as “users” of technology and services. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: High on the Hog …
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Progressives need a strategy upgrade, and this episode points the way, first by delving into one of the greatest victories of the civil rights movement and the strategic masterstroke of Rev. Wyatt T. Walker. Next, we talk with Maria Poblet, Executive Director of the Grassroots Power Project, who argues that “the way strategy is being developed in p…
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Deepak and Stephanie welcome listeners and give a preview of some organizers and thinkers who will appear in future episodes: Maurice Mitchell of the Working Families Party, longtime progressive activist Ilyse Hogue, legendary activist and scholar Frances Fox Piven, and historian Manisha Sinha. You can buy the book and find out more about the show …
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Philip spends time with Alison Place, scholar and editor of Feminist Designer: On the Personal and the Political in Design. In their conversation they discuss the myriad ways in which the values and ideas of feminist design influence and shape the design world. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of int…
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Philip spends time with activist/community organizer and author Mostafa Henaway. They discuss his book Essential Work, Disposable Workers and how the precarity of late stage capitalism effects labor and the future of work. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings…
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Philip spends time with architect and author Theo Deutinger as they break down his thought provoking and visually stunning book The Handbook of Tyranny. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. Philip’s Drop: Happy Valley (S3) – AMC+ Theo’s Drop: Constant’s New …
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Philip spends time with educator/writer/philosopher Alicia Juarrero discussing her latest book Context Changes Everything: How Constraints Create Coherence. In their conversation, they cover how complexity has become a widely used but largely misunderstood term, the significance of context and different ways of knowing. The Drop – The segment of th…
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Philip spends time with Howard University professor, scholar and author Joshua Myers. Their conversation focused on Joshua’s latest book, On Black Study a deeply engaging look at the history and meaning of Black scholarship, Black studies and its place within and beyond academia. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share t…
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Philip spends time with Vincent Stanley, Chief Philosophy Officer, Patagonia. In their conversation they discuss his new book, co-authored with Patagonia’s CEO The Future of the Responsible Company. At the 50 year mark they take a look back at Patagonia’s journey but most importantly look forward to the challenges ahead. The Drop – The segment of t…
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Philip spends time with James E. Dobson and discusses his latest work The Birth of Computer Vision. In their conversation, they trace the origins of computer vision as a concept and technology and how it effects the technological, economic and social structures of society The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty mor…
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Philip spends time with scholars and co-editors Joyce Yee & Paul A. Rodgers discussing the 2nd edition of The Routledge Companion to Design Research. In their conversation, they highlight why they felt a 2nd edition was needed, how they identified new voices and the current state of the field of design research. The Drop – The segment of the show w…
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Philip spends time with scholars/thinkers/activist Usha Raman & Payal Arora. They are two of the co-editors of Feminist Futures of Work: Reimagining Labour in the Digital Economy. In this conversation, they cover the meaning of work (and leisure) and how it intersects with feminist futures across different backgrounds and circumstances. The Drop – …
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Philip spends time with Abraham Burickson, designer, teacher, and consultant. He is the author of the new book, Experience Design: A Participatory Manifesto. In their conversation, they discuss the nature of experiences and how design plays an essential role in elevating what we know of experience(s) The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip …
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Philip spends time with Robert P. Jones, President and founder of Public Religion Research Institute. In their conversation, they discuss his latest book The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy and how tracing the historical legacy of white supremacy is essential to moving forward as a society. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his gu…
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Philip spends time with author, speaker and consultant Jessica Bantom. In their conversation, they explore Jessica’s new book, Design for Identity: How to Design Authentically for a Diverse World. What does it mean to deeply consider identity when designing spaces? What opportunities are revealed when taking a collaborative approach to design and i…
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Philip spends time with designer and author Manuel Lima. In their conversation they discuss his latest book, The New Designer: Rejecting Myths, Embracing Culture. In this rich discussion they cover how design needs to adjust in order to maintain relevance in how we build and create around us. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his …
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Philip spends time with professor/author Marzia Milazzo. In their conversation, they discuss her new book Colorblind Tools: Global Technologies of Racial Power and how the colorblind ideology effects how we think about race and systems of power The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodnes…
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