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Orly Shani, Ami Desai + Brandi Milloy REAL WOMEN, REAL MOMS.... REAL TALK Yea we're Moms....but we're not JUST Mom's! We're young women who want to look good, feel good and dominate in our careers, friendships, love lives and of course, motherhood ;) So come along for the ride, we promise a Mommy Group you'll actually want to be a part of! WHO ARE WE Orly Shani YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/thediydesigner ************************** Brandi Milloy INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/brandi ...
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Have you ever made things awkward? You're not alone. Every week dietitian and author Jessica Wilson talks to those who create societal change by making it awkward. From busting myths in the nutrition field and finding the people behind the headlines Jessica gives people a new way to think about situations and motivation to make things awkward.
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Just before we all went on lockdown, comedian Solomon Georgio tweeted out a call for everyday gossip. His replies immediately blew up with the wildest stories, and now he’s sharing them on The Juice! Join Solomon each week as he sources only the juiciest tales from comedians, performers, and listeners like you! No celebrity drama here—we keep it low stakes and high petty! If you love hearing about hookups at Denny’s, moms with secret lovers, and chair-sniffing coworkers, you’re in the right ...
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Making it Awkward Turns 1; A look back at the first season
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Making it Awkward is turning 1 and Jessica celebrates by looking back at the first season's highs, lows, most awkward moments. She returns to a very puzzling conversation with Amy and then reminds listeners of her dad’s message for all of you. You can send pitches and awkward moments to makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com You can become a podcast patron! …
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Re-Release: Jessica's Ultra Processed Food Diet Results with Amy Fletcher
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Hedonism, Palatability, and the Science-ification of “Junk Food;” Same advice, different packaging.
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Jessica wraps up the conversation about food addiction and ultraprocessed foods that began with her interview with Dr. David Wiss. She thinks that Dr. Wiss’s message is one that the nutrition field has shared for years. You can read Dr. Wiss’s 4500+ word blog entry about cancel culture in the eating disorder field. You can find the first episode …
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Eating Disorders, Dopamine, Salience, & The Status Quo with Molly Robbins
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Molly Robbins joins the show for a follow-up interview to Jessica's conversation with Dr. David Wiss, about his article, Dismantling the Myth of “All Foods Fit” in Eating Disorder Treatment.” Molly Robbins is a researcher and clinician with lived experience having gone through treatment for atypical anorexia while in a larger body. Molly has questi…
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Sex is the Sixth Vital Sign; HIV, PrEP, and Disclosure with Pablo Sarmiento, NP
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On today’s episode Jessica is joined by Pablo Sarmiento, NP, a family nurse practitioner working in the Department of Medicine subspecialty of Infectious Diseases. Pablo is a PrEP provider and the two discuss PrEP research, HIV incidence, disparities, updated language, and HIV disclosure. Resources: https://www.hiv.gov/ https://www.thebody.com/ htt…
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Eating Disorders, Food Addiction, Hyperpalatability, and Mental Health with Dr. David Wiss
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Dr. David Wiss joins the show to talk about his recent comment in the Journal of Eating Disorders, “Dismantling the myth of “all foods fit” in eating disorder treatment.” The two talk about eating disorders, ultra-processed foods, food addiction, and hyperpalatable foods. Dr. Wiss discusses his idea of a harm reduction meal plan, and shares how he …
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Where Were You When Gaza Was Starving? With Dietitians Maya Torres, Laila Shanaa and Malak Saddy
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Jessica is joined by Palestinian-American dietitian, Laila Shanaa, and Lebanese-American dietitians, Maya Torres and Malak Saddy to discuss the eating disorder field's (lack of) response to forced starvation in Gaza. They also discuss concerns about refeeding syndrome, the iaedp certification, their evolving views on the racial reckoning and though…
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Love on the Spectrum! with Jessica and Her Spouse
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Happy Pride! 🏳️🌈 Jessica's spouse, Elisha, joins the show for a relationship quiz. Afterward Elisha shares how she started thinking about her autism and shares a device that she's found helpful in monitoring her overwhelm. Mentioned in the episode: Whoop Jessica's dad trying Liquid IV Email the show: makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow Jessica on …
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Queerness, Christianity, & 50% Off Ozempic for Pride!? with Kent Thomas, MSW
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50% off Ozempic for Pride!!! What?! Kent Thosmas, MSW joins Jessica to talk about this ad and her visit to the clinic offering the deal, and what this means for gay men. Kent shares how his Christianity played into his eating disorder and the two talk about queer men, and how religion, queerness, and health are connected. They also talk about the n…
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Salsa is a Vegetable!; Reclaiming Our Cultural Foods with Dalina Soto, RD
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Dietitian Dalina Soto of @your.latina.nutritionist joins Jessica to talk about getting spicy on TikTok when a dietitian decided to tell us that salsa isn’t a vegetable. The two talk about how so much of her work is correcting misinformation about cultural foods, and helping people to reclaim them. They chat about curves and a time she was told she …
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Tuzz! The Dietetics Field's Response to Forced Starvation is Trash; with Malak Saddy, RD
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Malak Saddy, RD, a Lebanese, Muslim dietitian joins Jessica for a conversation about forced starvation, and how their profession has responded. Malak shares how the personal and the professional cannot be separate and how she is bringing her experiences to her work and advocacy. You can find Malak You can find her on Instagram @malaksaddy or via em…
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NPR Told Us To Eat Like Peasants; Its Living Better Series was Good for Clicks and Giggles
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NPR launched its NPR’s Living Better series a year ago. It spent a year investigating health disparities with a goal of bringing us solutions and hope. The lead story was from journalist Allison Aubrey, the number 1 nutrition journalist in the country. Jessica shares what she learned from this series, and what that means for the public. Dr. Kevin H…
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Tight Sphincters; on Being “Divisive” in the Eating Disorder Field with Dr. Deb Burgard
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Jessica is joined by Dr. Deb Burgard, a psychologist and one of the co-founders of the Health at Every Size approach. The two of them talk about Jessica's recent keynote presentation in which she discussed an ad for an eating disorder treatment center. She was not expecting the backlash she received. Deb and Jessica are often labeled as people who …
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Final Thoughts & Who is Anti-Diet for?; With Jaye Rochon and Cara Harbstreet, MS RD
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Jessica is joined by Cara Harbstreet, MS RD and Jaye Rochon to wrap up the series on the anti-diet dietitian article by the WaPo and Examination. Both Cara and Jaye were featured in the article and this episode they share their experiences with the anti-diet community and their thoughts on the article. Jessica wraps up the episode with her thoughts…
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Rage Farming and Sh*tting on Women; with Clara Nosek
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Clara Nosek was the most creative critic of the article about anti-dietitians who made cereal ads, written by The Examination and the WaPo. She joins Jessica to talk about her concerns and the two try hard to figure out why the article was written in the first place. Join Clara's Substack Clara on tiktok 1st article from The Examination and WaPo Th…
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Neurodivergence, “Picky Eating” and ARFID with Naureen Hunani, RD
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Jessica talks with Naureen Hunani, the dietitian and creator behind RDs for neurodiversity. They get into what Naureen saw was missing in the dietetic and anti-diet spaces and Jessica asks her about ARFID and the social construct of picky eating. The two also share their critiques of intuitive eating from a neurodivergent and disability lens. You c…
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Anti-Diet Dietitians Made Cereal Ads, Then Things Got Awkward; with Sasha Chavkin
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Sasha Chavkin, of the Examination, joins Jessica to talk about an article he recently co-authored, As Obesity Rises, Big Food and Dietitians Push ‘Anti-diet’ Advice, in collaboration with the Washington Post. Shasha shares how the article came together and some additional information that he's gathered for this episode. This will be the first episo…
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Pineapple Overthrow Butter Mochi and Hawaiian Tourism with Daphne K. Jenkins
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Jessica welcomes butter mochi queen, Daphne Jenkins, to the podcast to discuss her Hawaiian ancestral foods, how she got into baking butter mochi and the art of food. She talks about the history, beauty, friction and tension that she channels into her work. Jessica also asks about Hawaiian tourism and about how to visit Hawaii if we were going to d…
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Ultra Processed Fridays and Southern Food; a dad and daughter chat
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Jessica talks ultra processed foods with her dad. The two started ultra processed Fridays in which Jessica makes her dad taste test a new food and the two discuss the idea that all UPFs are unhealthy. Today Jessica presents a “natural” beef jerky to her dad for testing. She talks to him about UPFs, what he ate growing up and it turns out that her d…
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Jessica talks to UK doctor Dr. Asher Larmie about his perspectives on Ozempic and weight loss, diabetes, whether prediabetes is a thing and how we should (and shouldn't) measure blood sugar. The two discuss the differences in the US and UK guidance for diabetes and prediabetes. Then, at Asher's invitation, Jessica asks him about his white saviorism…
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Eating Disorders Don’t Discriminate? With Dr. Chukwuemeka Nwuba
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Dr. Chuks joins Jessica to talk about his new book, Eating Disorders Don't Discriminate. He edited the book with Bailey Spinn a TikTok and YouTube personality. Chuks and Jessica talk about how he got into the field and what made him write the book. Jessica nudges Chuks to talk about how Bailey was chosen to co-edit the book, but the two of them are…
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Writing the Next Book And Not Settling in Love with Chrissy King
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Chrissy King joins Jessica to talk about authorship and the patriarchal romanticization of relationships. Chrissy is the author of the Body Liberation Project; How Understanding Racism and Diet Culture Helps Cultivate Joy and Build Collective Freedom. The two get into what they wish they knew when writing their first books and Chrissy is able to co…
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Live, Laugh, Languish; Jessica Wrote a Book and Then it Got Awkward with Alison Pill
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Jessica's book is fun, spicy, and a love letter to those around her. She felt really good about it but once it left her hands things started to get awkward. Alison reenacts one of the most awkward moments in publishing history and shares how she made another moment awkward. Jessica working on loving her book again and is glad folks are along for th…
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BMI Cutoffs for Gender Affirming Surgery; Kindness is Not Liberation with Isaac and Dr. Zo Amaro Jimenez
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Dr. Zo Amaro Jimenez and Isaac join Jessica to discuss her interview with surgeon Dr. Blair Peters about BMI cutoffs in gender affirming surgeries. Zo and Isaac provide their feedback, share their own experiences with gender care and their work in helping others access their own. Dr. Asher Larmie contributes a very powerful and personal video for t…
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The Pivot: Food Heaven to Diabetes Digital with Wendy Lopez and Jessica Jones
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They’re back! Wendy and Jess, the duo behind Food Heaven fame pivoted to Diabetes Digital, an online platform for diabetes education and support. In this episode the two share how they decided to pivot, and how they chose diabetes. Jessica asks them about the questionable diagnosis of prediabetes, some patient consult questions and of course about …
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Why are there BMI cutoffs for Gender affirming surgery? With Dr. Blair Peters.
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Jessica is joined by Dr Blair Peters, a gender affirming surgeon to discuss why BMI cutoffs exist in common gender affirming surgeries including chest surgery, phalloplasty and vaginoplasty. Blair breaks down the different ways that body size impacts the surgery and the results. They talk about the structural barriers that exist when doing surgery …
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Fat Liberation and Size Freedom Policies with Tigress Osborn
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Jessica talks to Tigress Osborn (she/her), a fat rights advocate and the Executive Director of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, about fat liberation and fat joy. NAAFA has worked for over five decades to change perceptions of fat and to end size discrimination. In 2023, Tigress co-launched the Campaign for Size Freedom alongside …
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Food & Body Stuff in the Spotlight and Backstage with Stephanie Lexis and Libby Parker
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Give my regards to Broadway. Jessica is joined by Stephanie Lexis, founder of the Broadway Body Positivity Project and Libby Parker, The Broadway Dietitian, to talk about all things food and body in theater. They talk about casting, costuming, eating and get into IBS on stage. You can watch this episode on YouTube How to support this podcast? Follo…
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Litigation and Legacy; Part 2 With Dr. Whitney Trotter and Meghan Cichy, MPH, RDN
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Jessica chats with Dr. Whitney Trotter and Meghan Cichy, MPH RDN about her and Whitney’s interview with Steve Dunn in the first Litigation and Legacy episode. The three reflect on the interview and what it means for the field. They discuss iaedp’s certification and whether or not it should be preserved in the midst of all of this. You can see Megha…
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Diet Evangelism: Netflix’s vegan twin experiment
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Jessica watched Netflix’s You Are What You Eat; A Twin Experiment and was disappointed. The documentary did not make the case for her to be vegan for physiological reasons, or really for anyone else. She talks about this, and everything the series left out with Jen Jacobs, her editor, who shares some about her experience as a fat vegan. The two cha…
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Litigation and Legacy with Steven Dunn; Part 1
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Part 1. Dr. Whitney Trotter joins Jessica for a conversation with Steve Dunn. Dunn is suing the International Organization of Eating Disorder Professionals (iaedp) in a class action lawsuit, representing a clinician who is as an iaedp-certified eating disorder specialist. The three of them discuss this lawsuit and his previous lawsuit against NEDA.…
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“Impossible"; Being Black in the Eating Disorder Field with Dr Whitney Trotter and Angela Goens
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Jessica talks with Dr. Whitney Trotter, DNP APRN PMHNP-Bc RDN and Angela Goens, MS RDN LD about being Black clinicians in the eating disorder field. They talk about what it's like to work in treatment centers and how their clients' care differs from the standard treatments. They discuss the organization iaedp, and how Jessica's calls for divestment…
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Create a Policy to Reduce Anti-Fatness At The Doctor’s Office and on Campus with Shantille Connolly, MPH CHES
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Jessica talks with Shantille Connolly, a senior health promotion specialist at UC Davis about their process of instituting a policy to make being weighed an opt-in measure at the clinic, rather than a default, and Shantille’s future projects including a team focused on size inclusive care. Jessica also discusses boofing as a Wellness trend that is …
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My Body, ages 4-10. It was too much and very awkward.
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Jessica shares the story of her body from 4-10yo. She shares how her body was (mis)treated by the medical establishment and also how one sentence from her dad influenced the way she felt about her body. This is tied together with the intro to her becoming a dietitian
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Books...But Make it Awkward, with Shana and Maya
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Romance novels can be awkward. Romance reviewers Shana and Maya join Jessica to discuss their love for the genre and why we all deserve a happy ending. They also give recommendations for those looking for a romance starter gift. You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow Jessica on Instagram @jessicawilson.msrd and TikTok @byje…
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“#bannedbodies--AI’s Social Media Discrimination with Jen McLellan”
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Jessica talks with Jen McLellan, about her recent experience getting banned by Meta on both of her Instagram and Facebook accounts. Jen is a certified birth educated, author and founder of Plus Size Birth and host of the Plus Mommy podcast. They discuss the impact of AI discrimination on social media and who will be most impacted by this. Jen share…
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Jessica and Making It Awkward editor, Jen Jacobs, reflect on the podcast thus far and look to future episodes. They talk about which topics have gotten the most interest and how the editing process works between them. Jen also threw in a clip of Lexi that Jessica hadn’t heard before. Find Jen! Jenrjacobs.com Whitney trotter https://whitneytrotter.c…
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Babe, have you eaten today? With @yourdietitianbff
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Registered dietitian and social media content creator Clara Nosek, known to many as @yourdietitianbff, talks with Jessica about her journey to become a dietitian and how she started creating engaging content on social media. She shares her favorite creations and the feedback she has received. Clara also talks about her upcoming program called 'Do N…
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Jessica talks with her dad about his thoughts about and experience with dehumanization, especially in the 1950s and 60s. She asked him for this conversation because for the last 6 weeks of war between Israel and Palestine news outlets have been talking about people–both dead and alive–like a simple math equation. People with full, beautiful lives a…
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Is Non-binary Identity a 3rd Gender Category?; USPATH Conference Reflections
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Making It Awkward went to USPATH and things got awkward a few times. Jessica sits down with Isaac, Gus Klein, and Elijah Castle to reflect on their experiences at the USPATH 2023 conference. They critique the shortfalls of the oft used framing of gender affirming surgery as life saving care, discuss the emergence of non-binary identity as a third g…
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The Research on BMI and Gender Affirming Care with Elijah Castle
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Researcher Elijah Castle joins Jessica to talk about the research landscape for BMI and gender affirming surgeries and what it (doesn't) show us. They discuss weight stigma, the savior complex of some surgeons, and what they are hoping to hear at the USPATH conference. You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow Jessica on Insta…
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BMI and Trans Care: Things Got Awkward at the Trans Health Summit...
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Calvin Gilbert and Jessica introduce the upcoming series of episodes about BMI and gender affirming surgery for trans, non-binary and gender nonconforming people. The two of them recount the events that led up to a medical doctor being escorted out of their presentation on weight stigma and gender affirming care at the Trans Health Summit. They the…
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What Makes Something News? With Lindsay Lee Wallace
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Jessica explores how something gets to be news with freelance journalist Lindsay Lee Wallace. Jessica also learns why Lindsay's article about Jessica and her book was not accepted for publication. Find more of Lindsay's work here, and find her tweeting too much here. Her piece about fatphobia and top surgery is expected on SELF in November. You can…
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Alison Pill is Making it Awkward in Film and TV
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This week Jessica chats with Alison Pill about her work making it awkward and building a collective. The two also reminisce on how they became unlikely friends.This week's dietitian segment is about what happened when Jessica's UPF experiment was over. Learn more about Room Tone Mug artist mentioned by Alison from @maybell.eequay You can contact …
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"No food is better than bad food" says UCSF's Dr. Lustig. Part 2
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What can listeners take from Jessica’s conversation with Dr. Lustig? She looks at the interview through a historical lens and some possible present day applications. Jessica also shares feedback she’s gotten from listeners and from a few people working from UCSF. You can contact the show at makingitawkwardpod@gmail.com Follow Jessica on Instagram @…
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Ultra-Processed Parenting; Formula Feeding with Kent Thomas and Dr. Natalie Ingraham
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Natalie Ingraham, PhD, MPH and Kent Thomas get into the realities of feeding formula to infants and share their own experiences of queer and trans conception and parenting. We discussed last week’s conversation with Dr. Robert Lustig and what that might mean to families with two working parents. Kent Thomas Natalie Ingraham Nova classification with…
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"No food is better than bad food" says UCSF's Dr. Lustig. Part 1
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Jessica spoke with Dr. Robert Lustig of UCSF and asked him whether eating something is better than eating nothing. He shared his beliefs about calories, metabolic health, starvation, and how he distinguishes between what an eating disorder is and what it's not. Content Note: This episode discusses topics that may be distressing to those who are foo…
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Neurodivergence and Girl Dinner with Lexi
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Jessica and Lexi share many of the ways their brains work differently and the tips and tools they’ve adopted to navigate a neurotypical world. They share what it was like to be locked down in a small house with three adults and two dogs. Lexi shares some things that she’s found to be helpful as she works on having less all-or-nothing eating habits.…
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But What IS an Ultra-Processed Food? with Amy Fletcher
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Can we clearly distinguish what makes something an ultra-processed food? Amy Fletcher tries to help Jessica figure out what makes a food ultra-processed and what that distinction means. Jessica also details the rules for her 30 days of eating 80% of her diet from ultra-processed food. You can watch Making it Awkward on Youtube. You can find Jessica…
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Feeling Aligned in Queer Fashion, with Mahlah Catline
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Meet Mahlah! They’re a trans-nonbinary model who created their own clothing brand to center queer and trans people. We talk queer aesthetics and they’re the first guest to answer audience questions. Also: what’s up with news coverage of processed foods?! Follow Mahlah on IG and TT @mahlahsian and their brand @fagior_e on IG.…
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