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Trail Runner Nation is a gathering place for the trail and ultrarunning community. We aim to help the listener improve their running experiences through better health and fitness via expert guests. This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and is not intended to replace professional, medical, or training advice or recommendations for listeners. The views expressed in this podcast by guests are not necessarily endorsed by Trail Runner Nation, LLC.
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On the Wind Sailing

59º North Sailing Podcasts

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The definitive podcast about sailing. Professional sailors Andy Schell, Emma Garschagen, and August Sandberg interview sailors from around the world to discover what motivates, scares & inspires them. For over ten years and through 400+ episodes, our hosts have interviewed sailors like Dee Caffari, Sir Robin Knox-Johnston, Liz Clark, John Kretschmer, Kirsten Neuschafer & many, many more. We talk to boat builders, yacht designers, YouTube stars, performance racers, and many more. HOLD FAST!
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In this episode, Coach Ian Sharman talks about the art and strategy of long-term planning in trail running, emphasizing patience and consistency for sustainable gains. Drawing from his own experiences, Ian shares how he improved his marathon times and became a successful ultra runner through diligent training. He advises runners to set long-term go…
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Since his on the wind debut on episode 359 two years ago, Ian Herbert Jones has raced 28000 miles and rounded cape horn twice. In this episode, he tells the story of him joining the ocean globe race last minute at start in Southampton, and chasing the circumnavigation that escaped him during his golden globe. -- If you liked this conversation you'l…
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Since his on the wind debut on episode 359 two years ago, Ian Herbert Jones has raced 28000 miles and rounded cape horn twice. In this episode, he tells the story of his remarkable golden globe race, from the last polishing of his boat at the start in France, to losing her to a storm in the south Atlantic. -- If you liked this conversation you'll L…
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Join ultra runners Jennifer Russo and Megan Eckert to discuss backyard ultras, a niche of ultra trail running. They explain that backyard ultras are last-man-standing races where runners complete a 4.167 mile lap every hour until only one person is remaining. Jennifer holds the world record with 74 yards (308 miles) set last month at Capital Backya…
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Our own Emma Garschagen, co-host of ON THE WIND, former ICEBEAR & FALKEN First Mate and now entrepreneur joins me on todays show to talk about her evolution as a sailor since she joined 59º North. Emma started with us as an apprentice, took over as Chief First Mate for Mia when she was pregnant with Axel and has now gone on to start her own busines…
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In this episode, we sit down with the accomplished ultramarathoner, Hayden Hawks. Hayden shares his remarkable journey of overcoming a knee injury in 2023 and his triumphant return to the 2024 Western States 100, where he improved his time by 83 minutes and finished third. He opens up about his challenges during his recovery, the importance of pati…
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Friend of the podcast and legendary sailor Matt Rutherford returns to the show to shoot the shit aboard his schooner MARIE THARPE. Matt hosted a small gathering of friends in Annapolis back in April aboard his boat, and we got warmed up by getting out the mics and mixing it up at the salon table down below on a rainy, chilly day. Matt was sipping t…
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We recently replayed an episode from 2017 called, "Sh!t You Don't Do on the Trail" with Tim Twietmeyer and Bob Crowley. We had so much fun walking down memory lane, we thought we should update it for 2024. Since we are near the start of Western States 100, we thought we'd skew it towards this race, but many of the principles mentioned are applicabl…
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Each year at this time, Andy Jones-Wilkins joins The Nation each year to discuss the Western States 100-mile Endurance Run. This is the 11th year that he ruminates and give us his picks for the podium and the other notable runners. We decided this year to take a look at the constant character in every year's race, the course and do an in-depth desc…
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Leading up to the 2024 Western States 100 Endurance Race, ultra legends Ellie Greenwood and Ian Sharman share their incredible experiences at the Western States 100. Ellie, who set a new women’s record in her first WS100 in 2011, and Ian, with the record for the fastest cumulative time across 10 WS100 finishes, dive into their journeys into ultra r…
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We are joined by Maggie Mertens, the author of "Better Faster Farther: How Running Changed Everything We Know About Women," which challenges long-held beliefs about women in running. Starting with a powerful reminder from over a century ago, when a woman ran the first modern Olympic marathon without permission, the book reveals how women have faced…
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In this episode, we discuss "Adaptation and Diversity in Training" with our adventurous guests Emma Cook-Clarke and Adam Campbell. Both elite athletes in mountain endurance sports, Emma and Adam share how their diverse sports backgrounds influence their training approaches. From soccer and rugby to running and ski mountaineering, Emma discusses her…
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In this episode, we take a nostalgic look back at an episode from 2017 with trail veterans Bob Crowley and Tim Twietmeyer. We revisit "Sh#@ You Don't Do On the Trail," where we covered the essential unwritten rules of the trail and aid stations that every runner should know. From the infamous "snot rocket" technique to the delicate art of avoiding …
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Dr. Rob Bell discusses his book 'No One Gets There Alone' and emphasizes the importance of relationships and connectivity in achieving personal and professional goals. He shares a personal story of receiving help during a race and how it changed his mindset. The conversation explores: Success is not solely a product of individual effort; relationsh…
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Skipper Heather Thomas recently won the inaugural Ocean Globe Race aboard the iconic yacht MAIDEN. The crew made history again by becoming the first all-female crew to win a round-the-world race! At 27, Heather was the youngest skipper in this race and one of two female skippers. Emma and Heather talked about leadership, confidence, navigation and …
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What if there was a way to instantly diagnose and address running issues right on the trail? In this episode, we talk about the new Trail Triage app. We speak with the team that developed the app answering these and other key questions: What is Trail Triage? Why was it developed? How can it help me on my training runs and racing? How do I access it…
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Comedian Kristoffer Appelquist returns to the podcast to talk about his first trans-Atlantic passage with the Swedish reality TV show 'Över Atlanten.' Now in it's 6th season, the show — which puts celebrities onboard a big Swan with Whitbread skipper Gunnar Kranz for an Atlantic crossing — has become a huge hit. Kristoffer, Mia and I talk about how…
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In today's episode of the Trail Runner Nation podcast, we are thrilled to host elite Canadian trail runners Adam Campbell and Emma Cook-Clarke. They will share insights into balancing demanding athletic careers with personal and professional responsibilities. Adam, a lawyer turned professional runner with Arc'teryx, has an impressive history, inclu…
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August Sandberg is the owner and skipper of our beloved Swan 48 ISBJØRN, which has sailed over 60,000 miles since the beginning of 59º North. August lives outside Bergen, Norway, where the boat is now based, and recently finished overseeing a second major refit, which we had done at Vindö Marin on the west coast of Sweden on the famed boatbuilding …
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Today, we're excited to have a returning guest, Dr. Stefanie Flippin. Not only is Stefanie a board-certified foot and ankle surgeon with a private practice, but she’s also an elite trail runner, an accomplished coach, a freelance writer, and the host of the Making Strides podcast. Stefanie helps us understand GI distress. We’ll explore what causes …
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Suzanne Heywood was raised on a sailboat. What started as a three year circumnavigation with her family turned into a decade of living aboard, sailing, and struggling to get an education. Suzanne's book, 'Wavewalker,' tells the story of that voyage. In this episode, Emma and Suzanne talk about 'Wavewalker,' Suzanne's relationship to sailing now, an…
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Everything starts with foot health, with your contact with the ground. Your body relies on that first bit of sensory information, so up that kinetic chain, all the way through the shin, the knee, the hip, the low back, the torso, all the way up to the brain." Fitness expert and seasoned endurance athlete, Mark Sisson delves into the crucial link be…
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Alex Laline is a lifelong sailor and one of our full-time staff at 59º North. Growing up in a multinational family, he sailed dinghies as a kid in the UK, Spain and Indonesia, then got inspired to sail around the world when he saw an ad for the Clipper Round the World Race. As a teenager he saved all his money and joined Clipper as a paying crewmem…
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Have you ever found yourself staring at your running shoes, willing yourself to lace up and step out the door? Or perhaps, midway through a run, questioned what keeps you moving forward? Today, we're talking about the heart of what fuels us and how to harness that drive every day. Key Takeaways Listen to Your Body: Tuning into your physical and emo…
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Sailing was never a part of Lutz Kohne’s life growing up — it hit him square in the face as an adult, and completely changed his trajectory. He has since worked as a professional skipper, as Race Director for the OGR and the GGR, and he is now preparing to set sail himself, around the world, solo, retro and unassisted as a participant in the Golden…
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Coach Ian Sharman joins us on The Nation to unravel the nuances between durability and stamina in the realm of endurance running. With stamina framed as the ability to resist fatigue and durability as resilience against fatigue's cumulative toll, the discussion delves into the critical roles of pacing and mental strength. The conversation also touc…
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Henry Mickle & Bayley Richardson are self-described "Mates from the Land Down Under", cruising around the world in an old Beneteau. These two twenty-something friends made a pact, worked their asses off, saved their money, bought a boat and are living the dream — figuring it out as they go, but with knowledge and experience earned from working prof…
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This episode is part 2 in a discussion around the book, 'Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity' by Dr. Peter Attia. In this episode we disect chapters 9: Chasing memory: understanding alzheimer's disease and other neurodegenerative diseases 10: Thining tactically: Building a framework of principles that work for you and 16: The awakening: how t…
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Jojo Pickering grew up with sailing as a central part of her life, vagabonding on the high seas with her family and sailing from Africa to the UK. As she got older, she spent more time ashore, starting a traveling theatre company with her husband and kids and bouncing around the UK, France and Spain. But the sea called her back — she recently compl…
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What are some of your biggest fears when running alone? How can technology transform your running experience into a safer, more connected journey? Discover the answer with Dena Lewis and the innovative Running Mate app in this episode of Trail Runner Nation. Dena Lewis is the visionary founder and CEO of Running Mate. She shares her personal journe…
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Sailor, kitesurfer, and paddler Liz Wardley returns to the show to talk with Emma about her record-breaking row across the Atlantic. She completed the World's Toughest Row at the end of January after 44 days at sea. She beat the previous record by 15 days. Liz has competed many times in The Ocean Race and was last on the podcast in 2019 when she wa…
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In this episode, Scott and Don play a type of true or false game with frequent guest Alex Hutchinson. Play along as Scott and Don try to predict the outcomes or findings of the article without reading it. They discuss various articles that Alex has written about in his Outside Online column, Sweat Science about and reveal whether they are true or f…
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Capt. Jen of Schooner WOODWIND returns to the podcast after having just sailed with Andy aboard FALKEN on the 2,100 mile passage across the Atlantic! Jen and Andy reflect on Jen's first big ocean crossing and what it was like to leave the wintry Chesapeake Bay for tropical Tradewind sailing. They also talk about challenges of running a small busine…
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This podcast episode with Brian "Tosh" Chontosh focuses on the "mind's mind," the inner voice that shapes our thoughts and actions, often seeking comfort and leading to self-sabotage. Tosh emphasizes understanding this influence to improve decision-making and personal growth, particularly in endurance events. "Diesel Days," derived from military tr…
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Have you ever wondered how conquering rugged trails and embracing the wild can transform not just your physical health, but your entire outlook on life? Embark on an exhilarating journey into the heart of nature with Sid Garza-Hillman, acclaimed author of 'Ultra Running for Normal People.' Sid unravels the transformative power of trail running, inv…
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Ultra runner and acclaimed writer Katie Arnold delves into her profound journey within the realm of ultra running, challenging conventional perceptions and embracing a fresh, beginner's mindset. Katie illuminates the beauty of uncertainty in running, the thrill of flow, and the transformative power of redefining one's runner identity through persis…
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In today's episode, we are going to open the bookstore and review the book "Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity"by Dr. Peter Attia. This book offers a radical approach to longevity, emphasizing proactive, personalized strategies over the reactive methods of mainstream medicine. Today, we'll focus on four key chapters that explore innovative n…
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We return to our 'Endurance Of The Trail" Series in this episode with our friend Major Brian "Tosh" Chontosh, United States Marine Corps, Retired. He recounts his extraordinary journey of participating in The World's Roughest Row, rowing 3000 miles across the Atlantic Ocean with his team of former Navy SEALs despite their lack of prior experience i…
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Emily Caruso has spent 18 years and counting as a professional sailor, though only first learning about the sport in her late 20s. Growing up in the countryside in England, Emily had an epiphany one day during a weekend sailing excursion and hasn't looked back since. Andy & Emily sat down in person onboard FALKEN in Cape Verde to talk about her car…
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In this episode, we dive into the unique intersection of everyday vocabulary and the expansive world of trail and ultrarunning. We are joined by the ever-insightful Warren Pole and the ultrarunning sage, Andy Jones-Wilkins, for a lighthearted yet profound discussion that ties the randomness of language to the trails we cherish. There are times in o…
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Jens Joachim Hiorth is the Captain of the Statsraad Lehmkuhl, the largest and oldest tall ship in Norway. The ship recently completed a circumnaivation around the great capes. August joined the Captain onboard the ship for a conversation on the particulars of running such a large ship on the high seas. Website: https://lehmkuhl.no -- If you liked t…
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Dive into the Thrilling World of Ultra Running with Historian Davy Crockett! Join hosts us in an exhilarating journey through the untold history and fascinating evolution of ultra marathons. Discover the legendary races that shaped the sport: from the historic Comrades Marathon to the enigmatic Barkley Marathons. Learn about the earliest ultra runn…
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In this bonus episode, we are talking about metabolism. We have learned a lot of great information, strategies, and tactics while we have been partnered with MetPro, an innovative program offering personalized health and fitness strategies and coaching. The episode features insights from Mike, who shares his successful journey with MetPro in achiev…
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Bill Strassberg literally wrote the book on the Viking Route, authoring the latest edition of the Cruising Club of America's guide to the far northern route across the Atlantic. Andy first got in touch with Bill when researching FALKEN's Greenland passage last summer and caught up with him late last year for the podcast. We talked about Bill's cust…
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This episode is focused on the fuel that drives endurance athletes. It's a world where what you eat isn't just about satisfying hunger; it's about strategy, precision, and sometimes, survival. Joining us from Australia are two experts of sports dietetics, Steph Gaskell and Alan Mccubbin, co-hosts of "The Fueling Endurance" podcast. Steph, a trail r…
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Cosima grew up on the Puget Sound where her family nurtured a love of sailing and old classic boats. In college she worked on tall ships in the PNW but eventually she landed on the east coast where she found a community of friends who worked on private classic yachts. She spent her twenties pursuing positions and racing aboard big rig schooners and…
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Dr. Latt Mansor joins The Nation to discuss how metabolic flexibility and fat adaptation can significantly improve endurance running performance. He discusses the roles of different fuel sources, emphasizing that fats and ketones are more efficient for endurance athletes than proteins. Additionally, Dr. Mansor highlights the benefits of exogenous k…
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Ben Doerr sat down with Matt from The Duracell Project YouTube channel. Matt and his wife Janni are refitting Mike Plant's famous Open 60 "Duracell" into a comfortable cruising boat. Sitting in the cockpit of Duracell outside of Port Townsend, Matt and Ben discuss Matt's cruising and boatbuilding past and the many challenges of building the boat an…
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In this episode, we talk about the strategic aspects of building a race calendar, emphasizing the importance of setting clear goals and having backup plans. Coaches Ian Sharman and Stefanie Flippin join us to help us understand some ways to approach building a race calendar. The conversation goes beyond just focusing on popular races or qualifiers,…
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Captain Jan Miles returns to the podcast! Andy first sat down with Jan onboard Maryland's flagship PRIDE OF BALTIMORE II tallship way back in 2015 for a fascinating interview tracing Jan's career at sea. We return to the Captain's Cabin onboard PRIDE for this second, meandering chat about seamanship, life on tallships, the leadership structure on t…
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