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97: Should TikTok Be Banned? Twitter's For You Page & Kevin Systrom's New App
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James DeJulio, Tongal // Future of Hollywood & Advertising, Impact of AI on Creative Work & Who Wins The Streaming Wars?
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96: AMA - Tech Layoffs, Advice for 20yr Old, Naming Your Brand, AGI, Dream Dinner
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:47) - Live Meme Of The Week (00:05:43) - Naming Your Brand: Company vs Individual (00:22:58) - Tech Layoffs (00:35:07) - AI + Jobs (00:44:42) - Newsletter + Twitter Growth 2023 (00:59:03) - Michael Saylor Reaction (01:05:29) - Advice To 20yr Old Self (01:17:36) - Who would you like to have dinner with? (01:22:3…
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95: Checks #1 on OpenSea, Prince Harry & Tesla with Whole Mars Catalog
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:34) - Jack's Checks NFT: Number 1 on OpenSea & Derivative Projects (00:22:32) - Prince Harry's Book & Ghost Writers (00:36:22) - Omar Qazi (Whole Mars Catalog) on Tesla (00:45:29) - Full Self-Driving ( FSD) (00:57:00) - Tesla Price Cuts What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trun…
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Ben Tossell, Ben's Bites // AI Hype Cycle, 2023 Predictions & OpenAI vs Google vs Microsoft
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Subscribe & watch on YouTube:https://youtu.be/2XHlteP32Sc Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:00:24) - Start Of Interview (00:02:48) - Zapier + AI (00:05:56) - No Code + AI (00:17:16) - OpenAI vs Google vs Microsoft (00:26:32) - AI assistant (00:39:20) - Sponsor Break: The Virtual Gurus (00:40:21) - OpenAI vs Big Tech (00:46:49) - askmybook.com (00:…
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94: Jack Butcher’s Checks NFT, CES roundup & Microsoft's $10B OpenAI Deal
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Special Episode | Growing Economy At Super Speed Ft. CCO Jazz Asif Aziz
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Asif Aziz. What was his early life and education like? What was growing up in the UK like? What was his first job? How have businesses evolved over time? His work experience at Orange? What wa…
I’ve always been too scared to advertise. There are a few reasons for this. I don’t fully trust Facebook or other digital ad networks. (Does anyone?) They have pulled the rug out from under me so many times that I feel foolish giving them money. I don’t know what I’m doing, and therefore don’t want to burn cash. What’s funny is that my team has pro…
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93: Trung’s new startup (Bearly AI) & top AI predictions for 2023
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:07:28) - Bearly.ai (00:19:42) - AI & Cloud (00:33:08) - What You Can Do With The Tool (00:44:37) - How to Save your Job From ChatGPT (00:52:14) - Problem With Relying on Technology (00:59:09) - Summary What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trung Phan discuss what they're finding on…
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92: Year in Review, Biggest Wins & Losses, Meme/Company/Person of The Year
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Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (04:27) - Trung's Biggest Win (08:02) - Jack's Biggest Win (09:18) - Bilal's Biggest Win (12:37) - Biggest L (21:34) - Company Of The Year (30:53) - Person Of The Year (38:25) - Meme Of The Year (43:54) - Song Of The Year (51:00) - Favorite NIA Episode Of The Year What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, …
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300 | Season Finale With Founder NetSol Salim Ghauri
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Salim Ghauri. What was his early life and education like? Why did he move to Romania? What was working at Citi Bank Riyadh like? How important is self-learning? His first software sale? Starti…
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299 | Providing Quality Education Globally For Free Ft. Bilal Musharraf
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Bilal Musharraf. What was his early life and education like? What was studying at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign like? What is Actuarial science? What was growing up in Pakistan i…
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298 | Pakistan’s No.1 Ride-Hailing App Ft. Team inDrive
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guests, Afanasiy Petrov, Hasan Ali Quershi & Sidra Kiran. What is the history of inDrive? How many countries is inDrive covering? How inDrive is different than other ride-hailing companies? Why did t…
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91: World Cup Final, Bachelor Parties & Ideas For Twitter Blue
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Timestamps: (00:00:01) - Intro (00:02:50) - Bachelor Party + World Cup Final (00:10:28) - Twitter + External Links (00:21:18) - Twitter Blue Ideas (00:36:35) - Creator Monetization (00:40:41) - Ads What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trung Phan discuss what they're finding on the edges of the internet + the latest…
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297 | What Is The Future Of Digital Payments In Pakistan? Ft. Fawad Abdul Kader
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Fawad Abdul Kader. What was his early life and education like? What was his first job like? His work experience at Bank Alfalah? What was working in Dubai like? How did working at MCB bank cha…
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296 | Spreading Science To The Masses Ft. Muhammad Sabieh Anwar
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Muhammad Sabieh Anwar. What was his early life and education like? How did he get the Rhodes scholarship? What was his experience at Oxford University like? What is Quantum Computing? What was…
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295 | Understanding The Political Economy Of Pakistan Ft. Dr. Taimur Rahman
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Dr. Taimur Rahman. What was his early life & education like? What are the areas that made him think differently about Pakistan? What is his experience at LUMS like? What is political economy? …
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90: SBF Arrested, White Lotus, Avatar & Best Shows of 2022
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro, Phanergy + World Cup (00:08:14) - SBF Arrested (00:23:38) - Theranos Comparison (00:26:39) - White Lotus + Favorite Show Of The Year (00:36:11) - Jack's Best Shows Of 2022 (00:38:51) - Trung's Best Shows Of 2022 (00:45:04) - Avatar What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trung Phan disc…
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294 | Lahore's Greatest Showman Ft. Jahanzaib Shafique
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Jahanzaib Shafique. What was his early life & education like? What was managing his first event like? How did he manage the public? What was the start of his event management career like? How …
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293 | The Thought Behind Pakistani Media & Politics Ft. Syed Muzammil Shah
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Syed Muzammil Shah. What was his early life & education like? What was the start of his professional career like? What is the superficiality in Pakistani media? What is the psychology of telev…
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292 | The Power Of Manifestation Ft. Shahveer Jafry
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Shahveer Jafry. How was his experience in representing Pakistan at YouTube Creator Summit? How TikTok is different from YouTube shorts & reels? What is the hype of YouTube shorts like? His ear…
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89: Douglas Boneparth on ChatGPT, OpenAI vs. Google & Investing
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The NIA boys discuss ChatGPT, Open AI vs Google and Douglas Boneparth joins to discuss how (not) to teach your kids about investing & what to do in a recession. Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro + Live World Cup Penalties (00:03:03) - Jack's Art Basel Piece (00:05:55) - Who Is Douglas Boneparth + Bone Fide Wealth? (00:20:12) - OpenAI & ChatGPT (00:22:…
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Danny Postma: OpenAI, GPT-3, AI Business Ideas & His 7-Figure Sale
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291 | The Pakistani Mark Cuban Ft. Nabeel Qadeer
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Nabeel Qadeer. What was his early life & education like? How was his experience at FAST? What did he do post-graduation? How does working help him grow? How did he cope with his family problem…
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290 | The Art Of Story-Telling Ft. Faisal Warraich
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Faisal Warraich. What was early life & education like? What changes did he find in his village in the past 23 years? What was studying at Punjab University like? What jobs did he opt for after…
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88: Jordan Schneider on China protests & Twitter vs. Apple
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:06) - China Protests & History (00:23:15) - Steelman China Perspective (00:28:21) - Predictions Looking Forward (00:44:29) - Apple vs. Twitter Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/t4qZWAz_jL0 What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trung Phan discuss what they're finding on the edge…
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289 | Why Is LUMS Pakistan’s Top Business & Management University? Ft. VC LUMS
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Dr. Arshad Ahmad. What was his early life & education like? How did Pakistan look like in the 70s? How was his experience studying at Concordia University? What was his first job like? How did…
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288 | Rise Of The Dawood Family Ft. Abdul Razak Dawood
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Abdul Razak Dawood. What was his life pre-partition like? What difficulties did he face while trading? How did he set up the business? What was settling in Karachi like? What was his experienc…
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287 | Racing Cars & Building IT Firms Ft. Muhammad Raza Saeed
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Muhammad Raza Saeed. What was his early life in Bahawalpur & education like? How did he manage to build a startup while studying? What is the journey of Confiz? What makes him stay & grow his …
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286 | What Is The Future Of Pakistan’s Education System? Ft. Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guests, Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali. What was their education & early life like? Why did Bilal come back to Pakistan from NYC? What was the start of his teaching career looked like? How did he find…
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87: Joe Pompliano on Qatar World Cup, LIV Golf & $10B Sports Teams
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Joe Pompliano joins the NIA boys for a World Cup special episode. Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:00:18) - Meme Of The Week (00:04:55) - Qatar World Cup (00:13:53) - FIFA Controversy + Sports Washing (00:22:12) - Human Rights Issues (00:31:18) - Fun Fact Phan (00:32:30) - 2024 - USA Holds World Cup (00:54:41) - US Investment In The Premier Leagu…
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Tom Osman, Shiny // AI Co-Pilots, Web3 & Online Communities
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Subscribe & watch on YouTube:https://youtu.be/K26L7HwTLcU Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:06) - What Is Shiny? (00:03:48) - Hyperfocused On Being Unfocused (00:06:14) - Shiny Object Social Club + Shiny Token (00:11:09) - Crypto Sentiment & Price Action (00:16:10) - Open AI & What's Driving The Growth in AI? (00:22:08) - Image, Video, Podcast …
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285 | Who Will Win Pakistan’s Game Of Thrones? Ft. Moonis Elahi
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Moonis Elahi. What was his early life & education like? How was living abroad different from living in Pakistan? When & how did he join his family business? When did he join politics? His win …
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284 | Raising Pakistan’s Tourism Industry Ft. Muhammad Komail Abbas
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Muhammad Komail Abbas. What was his early life & education like? How was his experience at LUMS? What was Khoj about? His experience working at Standard Chartered Bank? The launch of FindMyAdv…
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283 | Building Digital Businesses In Emerging Markets Ft. Atyab Tahir
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Atyab Tahir. What was his early life & education like? What was it like being an immigrant in the US? What was his experience as a management information system student in Boston? How did 9/11…
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86: Ric Burton on FTX COLLAPSE, SBF Red Flags & What’s Next For Crypto
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Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:13) - CZ Will Not Invest In FTX (00:14:46) - Meme Of The Week (00:22:06) - SBF's Cryptic Tweets (00:35:25) - Promoting Companies (00:44:28) - Are Institutions Done With Crypto Forever? What Is Not Investment Advice? Every week, Jack Butcher, Bilal Zaidi & Trung Phan discuss what they're finding on the edges of …
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282 | Building Textile Business In South Punjab Ft. Anees Khawaja
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Anees Khawaja. What was his early life & education like? How did he get involved in his family business? How do short courses help his education career? What is it like to live & grow a busine…
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281 | Pakistan’s First Female Founded Venture Capital Fund Ft. Kalsoom Lakhani & Misbah Naqvi
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guests, Kalsoom Lakhani & Misbah Naqvi. What was Kalsoom’s early life & education like? What was growing up in Dhaka like? How did she manage university during 9/11? What was her life like after that…
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280 | Making Easy Overseas Payments In Pakistan Ft. Payoneer
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Mohsin Muzaffar. His early life & education? What was growing up in Gujranwala like? His experience at Punjab University? When did he learn to use the internet? How was his first job experienc…
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85: FTX Collapse, SBF vs. CZ & revisiting our crypto predictions
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The NIA boys react in real-time to one of the craziest days in crypto history. Play-by-play discussion on FTX collapsing & CZ's 10D chess moves. Timestamps: (00:00:00) - Intro + Meme Of The Week (00:06:50) - FTX Collapse - Play by Play (00:19:43) - Alameda Blow Up (00:21:30) - Autism Capital's Tweet (00:23:21) - Jack's Take on CZ's Move (00:27:06) …
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279 | How To Build A Successful Digital Marketing Platform? Ft. Ali Khan Swati
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Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Ali Khan Swati. What are his current businesses? Ali’s early life & education? How did his friends influence him? How did he get into the digital field? How was his experience at Outreach? How…