For us, ministry fundraising is the overflow of a deep sense of purpose. In “It’s Not About the Money”, we look past formulas, and explore both the nuance and the big picture of the fundraising journey. It’s not about tips, tricks, or clever phrasing. It’s about being grounded. Each episode focuses on an aspect of real life as a support-seeker. We hold space for both practice and theory. Join us as we explore the truth that, while the funding is essential, it’s not about the money.
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38. (Mini Series EP 5) Jeremiah and Maysa Vaught
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this fifth episode of the mini-series, Heather and Jenn are excited to welcome Jeremiah Vaught, who, along with his wife Maysa, has been deeply involved in ministry and church planting in Chicago. Jeremiah shares his journey from the initial days of fundraising to planting a church in one of the mo…
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37. (Mini Series EP4) Dennis and Evangeline Chow
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Join Heather and special co-host Jenn as they continue their mini-series focused on fundraising considerations from ethnically diverse backgrounds. In this episode, they are thrilled to speak with Dennis and Evangeline Chow, who are currently serving in the Philippines. The Chows share their unique jo…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Join Heather and co-host Jenn as they continue their mini-series on fundraising in ethnically diverse communities with special guest Chay'vion Carter. Chay'vion, who has been working with Campus Outreach at the University of North Texas since 2021, shares his unique journey of raising support from a B…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Join Heather and co-host Jenn as they dive into the unique challenges and opportunities of support raising in ethnically diverse communities with special guest Becca Acuna. Becca, who has been working with Texas BSM in San Antonio for the past five years, shares her journey from nursing to campus mini…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Join Heather and her new co-host, Jen Smith, as they kick off a mini-series focusing on support raising in ethnically diverse communities. Jen shares her unique journey from high school fundraisers to long-term missions in China, and the cultural nuances she navigated within Korean American churches. …
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33. (Mini Series KICK OFF) The Samuel family: Support Raising in Ethnically Diverse Communities
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Join Heather and Andy as they kick off a new mini-series focusing on support raising in ethnically diverse communities with a compelling conversation featuring Brandon and Cat Samuel from Wycliffe Bible Translators. They delve into the Bridge Program, an initiative aimed at bringing more diverse staff…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Heather and Andy are joined in the RECAP by Jess and Bo Bissell, support raising coaches from Pioneers. Jess and Bo share their unique journey from missionaries in Japan to coaching new and seasoned workers in partnership development. They open up about their experiences, the challenges of rejuvenatin…
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32. Callie Davis on Spiritually Healthy Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode, Heather and Andy are joined by Callie Davis from the Via Generosity team to delve into the crucial aspect of spiritual health in support-based ministry. Callie shares her journey from growing up in a support-raising family to her current role in creating resources for partnership deve…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Heather and Andy are joined by Dr. Mandy, a newly minted Doctor of Education in Organizational Change and Leadership from the University of Southern California. Together, they recap the insightful conversation with Josh Lindstrom, focusing on themes of en…
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31. Pastor Josh Lindstrom on Endurance in Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode, Heather and Andy welcome back Pastor Josh Lindstrom, teaching pastor at Woodman Valley Chapel, to discuss the critical theme of endurance in fundraising. Pastor Josh shares insights from his own ministry and the biblical story of Elijah, highlighting the importance of rest, perseveran…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Heather and Andy are joined by Danielle Nelson, a seasoned project manager with extensive experience in mobilizing and coaching people in support-based work. Together, they recap the enlightening conversation with Bryn and Christine, who shared their uniq…
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30. Short Term Panel on all things Short Term Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Andy welcomes special guest co-host Sarah Macy, who steps in for Heather. Together, they delve into the intricacies of short-term fundraising with guests Brynn Holtmeyer and Christine Campanella. Brynn, a junior special ed major at Concordia University, a…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode, we recap our insightful conversation with Amy Young, founder of Global Trellis. To help us unpack the profound topics discussed, we are joined by Bernie Anderson from Growability. Bernie brings his extensive experience in business development and cross-cultural work to the table, offe…
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29. Amy Young on Your Humanity in Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this episode, Heather and Andy dive into a profound discussion with Amy Young, founder of Global Trellis and co-founder of Velvet Ashes. Amy shares her extensive experience in support-based ministry, spanning nearly three decades, and her insights into honoring humanity in the fundraising process. …
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are joined by Amy Young of Global Trellis as we recap the Halligan episode and talk about the multifaceted reality of transition and disruption. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM…
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28. The Halligans on Facing the Unexpected
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! When life "throws a curveball," how do we navigate the unexpected challenges that shake the foundation of our plans and partnerships? In this episode, we explore the profound impact of life's unforeseen events on support-based ministry. Join us as we sit down with Seth and Megan Halligan, who share th…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! There was a lot to unpack in Carolyn Kellam's episode on domestic fundraising. We've already heard from listeners that it was an impactful and helpful topic to explore! Listen in as Heather and Andy share their biggest takeaways. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the…
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27. Carolyn Kellam on Domestic Support Raising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Most support concepts are applicable no matter where you serve, but there can be unique factors when raising support for domestic ministry. We are joined in this episode by Carolyn Kellam of the Navigators. Carolyn currently serves as the Manager of Staff Funding and is responsible for the training fo…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are joined in this episode by Michelle Goodman. Week after week, we are so encouraged to hear people expound on what they heard AND bring additional perspective and wisdom. Michelle did that and brought some gems of her own into this recap. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate …
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26. Travis Cottrell on The Importance of Authenticity
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In our media and marketing-driven world, people -- as consumers -- can become quickly disenchanted. In fundraising, we want to strike a balance between being prepared and not "performing." Travis Cottrell joins us in this episode and highlights the importance of authenticity in approaching others and …
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Life, leadership, and fundraising coach Wes J. joins us for our recap of the conversation with Rebekah C on using your unique strengths in fundraising! If you would like to connect with Wes about coaching, send us a direct message at our instagram (its.not.about.the.money.pod). Take the Strengthsfinde…
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25. CliftonStrengths Coach Rebekah C on Bringing Strengths to Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Last season, we took a couple of episodes to explore the Enneagram for insight into our motivations and how we show up uniquely in the world (and in fundraising). Today, we’re turning to another tool meant to help us identify our natural talents and leverage those for our good and the good of those ar…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Kyle W. joins us in recapping our episode with Mindy Caliguire and builds on the helpful principles Mindy put forward from his own training in care of the soul from Biola's Institute for Spiritual Formation. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in adva…
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24. CEO of Soul Care Mindy Caliguire on Avoiding Burnout
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! What does it look like to have a healthy soul? Our guest today wrestled with this question and found answers in the midst of her own season of burnout in ministry and fundraising. Mindy Caliguire offers vision and practical encouragement for you as you persevere in your own ministry and fundraising. M…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Patty S. (season 2 episode 4) joins us again to recap our conversation with Dr. Jolly Johnson on the Choice City Planner. We explore the many ways this tool helps us be intentional with this one life we are given and talk about it's use more specifically in fundraising. It would be so helpful if you w…
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23. Dr. Jolly Johnson on Identifying what Matters
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! One of the common refrains we hear in the work of fundraising is, "There just isn't enough time to do it all or to do it well." Our time and attention are precious resources. Our guest today, Dr. Jolly Johnson, found himself -- ironically -- with too much time on his hands and set out to develop a res…
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22.5 RECAP with First-Time Fundraiser Hannah O.
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Hannah O. joins us and shares passionately and vulnerably about her own disruptions and tensions with family as she has launched into support based ministry. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO…
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22. Spencer and Annette Nicholl on "You should get a real job"
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Many in the North American church "get it." They have context for support-based work and see their part in it... but many don't. Today's episode is actually in response to a question from a listener. "What do you do when your family isn't supportive, when they tell you that you should get a 'real' job…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In this first recap of season 3, Corrie brings a wealth of perspective into our discussion of Drew Remke's episode focused on partnership with the local church. Corrie lived and worked in support based ministry for just shy of a decade before moving back to North America where she currently works in t…
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21. VP Drew Remke on Partnership with the Local Church
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We are kicking off season 3 with a timely discussion on the importance of launching into ministry with the holistic support of a local church - a body of believers that you are committed to and that know you well. Joining us for this discussion is Drew Remke. Drew Remke is the Vice President of Church…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! One of our top 3 guests (per downloads!) joins us again in our final episode of 2023 to look back over the conversations we've had this past year and talk about what is still sticking with us as we head into 2024. Fun fact - the P.G. episode WAS number 6. This fact will make sense after listening in:)…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Lauren K., CEO and co-found of Rebuild, joins us for today's recap with admirable conviction and compelling perspective. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU! Contact us! on Instag…
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19. Jonathan S. on Principles of Fundraising in Creative Access Contexts
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! What does it look like to clearly share your ministry and financial needs when you can’t speak freely? Jonathan helps us cut this tension by highlighting the values of authenticity and discretion. He reminds us, yet again, that it isn’t about the money but about bringing our senders into the story in …
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BONUS EPISODE: Jenn Smyth on Moving through Fundraising Stress
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! The holiday season is dynamic in the unique opportunities it brings. Though the actual holidays themselves invite slowing and reflection, they are often surrounded by a pronounced busyness with extra gatherings and celebratory parties. While these touch points are fun and meaningful, they can bring st…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Clyde's genuine love for the people he lives and serves amongst was palpable. You'll hear that same refrain in our conversation with Danielle as we recap what it looks like to regard those around you with dignity. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks i…
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17. "Clyde" on Communicating with Dignity
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! If we reduced good communication down to the ABCs, dignity would be the "D". It is an essential component of the stories we share and the way we share them. Listen in as Clyde shares his experience on the powerful perspective of regarding all people as image bearers. It would be so helpful if you woul…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Fundraising coach Nicole joins us for our recap today and reminds us that our blindspots and obstacles in fundraising are both unique and universal. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance! Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FRO…
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16. Nelson Musipa on Lessons from the Life of Elijah
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We first heard Nelson Musipa speak at a Support Raising Leaders' Conference this past April. Walking through the ups and downs of Elijah's ministry, he highlighted how relatable Elijah's humanity is to our own. He also brought powerful reminders of God's intentionality and provision for those He has c…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! At the SRLC (Support Raising Leader's Conference) this past spring, Andy and I were privileged to meet Meg Craig. She serves with the Texas BSM and offers great insights and perspectives. We are confident that you will enjoy and appreciate her insights as much as we did on this recap episode. It would…
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15. Scott Morton on Mistakes to Avoid in Fundraising
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! With his refreshing, biblical emphasis and extensive experience, it is no surprise that Scott Morton is a trusted voice in the ministry world. In fact, if you're a fundraiser, his first book Funding Your Ministry, may have been required reading. Today he joins us to share the ups and downs of his own …
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Our recap of Misty's episode was practical and encouraging! With her experience in large donor management and engagement, Kate had some great ideas for how to become a better and more authentic storyteller. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advan…
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14. Misty Meschter on The Partner's Perspective
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! In all our various training and strategizing, how often do we have insight into the thought processes of a donor deciding where to give? What are things that might cause a donor to stop giving? How do we decide who to ask? Our guest for this episode grew up in a home that prioritized generosity and st…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! It was our pleasure to host Jeff and Kat P. for the recap of Andy C.'s episode. Through powerful imagery and key stories from the life of Jesus, they unpack their own journey of waiting on the Lord with vulnerability and wisdom. I (Heather) have watched Kat and Jeff weather the storm and have seen bot…
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13. Andy C. on 30 Years of Depending on God’s Supply
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Hudson Taylor once said: "Depend on it. God's work done in God's way will never lack God's supply. He is too wise a God to frustrate His purposes for lack of funds, and He can just as easily supply them ahead of time as afterwards, and He much prefers doing so." With 30 years of support-based living, …
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Our guests today bring decades of valuable insight and experience into our Steve Cuss recap. They remind us through the Word and personal stories that, though anxiety is a powerful force, the gospel holds true power to break strongholds. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and re…
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12. Pastor/Author Steve Cuss on "Trading Anxiety for Rest"
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Anxiety, with its different catalysts and durations, is part of the human experience. Everyone can relate to the disruption. Developing the ability to recognize anxiety (in ourselves and others), and taking steps to move through it is critical for healthy missionaries, healthy teams, and healthy minis…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! We ran a bit longer with "Jake" and "Lucy" because they bring such wisdom and experience into this conversation. They have served in the ministry context together for decades -- always in shepherding and discipling roles. They unpack how the Enneagram can be a powerful tool to bring awareness and depe…
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10. Coach Andrea Lowe on "The Enneagram as a Tool"
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Though there are common truths that everyone holds in fundraising, everyone carries them a bit differently. As we always say, it isn’t a formula. In this two part series, we talk with Enneagram coach Andrea Lowe about the unique strengths and challenges we might experience in fundraising as individual…
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11. Coach Andrea Lowe on "Your Leadership Superpower in Fundraising"
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Though there are common truths that everyone holds in fundraising, everyone carries them a bit differently. As we always say, it isn’t a formula. In this two part series, we talk with Enneagram coach Andrea Lowe about the unique strengths and challenges we might experience in fundraising as individual…
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Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here! Communication specialist Anna Bonjour joins us in our recap of episode 9 with Barb. Expanding on the insight from our time with Barb, Anna brings powerful examples of good communication that does the work of building up the church and encouraging partners. It would be so helpful if you would take a mo…
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