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Christ In All Things

Pastors Lance O'Donnell and Jason Schockman

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Most of us have a fascinating story if anyone bothered to listen. At Christ In All Things we bother to listen. We have fun doing it. We take God seriously, but we don’t take ourselves too seriously. We have to *bleep some things now and then, and we roll our eyes at each other now and then, but when you listen to Christ In All Things, you’ll find common people who rejoice in the uncommon moments animated by the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Dave Meyer has no illusions about what worship is and the purpose of the Church. He says, “We’re not here on Sunday mornings because we’re wonderfully good people. We’re here because we know how bad we are and we need that forgiveness.” In Part 2 of our interview with Dave we explore what it means to be “Lutheran,” we further discuss his shared fai…
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“This is the deal, and away we go…” David Robert Meyer has deep roots in the Lutheran confession of the Christian faith and in SE Wisconsin. He gratefully and thankfully follows in the family history of serving in the church. He also has a wonderful marriage a family story, with its own unique twists. In this episode you will hear how thankful he i…
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In Part Two of our conversation with Jackie Meyer she noted that of those conceived with Turner’s Syndrome only two percent live to birth. As a result, Jackie has a profound sense of thankfulness and purpose. This thankfulness and purpose deeply informs the adoption and parenting of their son, indeed, the whole of her life and service in the church…
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Jaclyn Marie Meyer’s doctor once described her as “the little engine that could.” When you listen to this conversation you’ll understand why that is apt, for Jackie Meyer has had her challenges since birth. In this episode we talk about her Turner’s Syndrome with candor and Christian hope. Among other things, we hear the wonderful story of her earl…
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In Part 2 of this live conversation between two best friends, Mark Tredray and Rev. Jason Schockman, the best friends talk about the development of their friendship, disappointments, and the centrality of God’s forgiveness. The banter is genuine but the central point is this: “What makes friendship work is when it’s grounded in the forgiveness and …
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This is Part 1 of a live conversation between two best friends, Mark Tredray and Rev. Jason Schockman. Recorded at Reformation Tap Society on February 18, 2024, their talk is entitled, “Bonfires, Brews, and Board Games: Cultivating Christian Friendship.” As these two readily admit, they are “experts on friendship only inasmuch as we have made thing…
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“The triune God,” notes Dr. John Kleinig, “designed [the human body] for himself and for participation in his own eternal life . . . he designed it so that he could show himself bodily to other embodied people and give them bodily access to himself by his theophany, his physical appearance to them in Jesus. . . The human body was made to bridge two…
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This Part 2 of our re-published interview with Colin Murdy, which was recorded on August 3, 2022, in a moment when business was particularly tight for Colin. We’re republishing this as part of Season Two’s “Christian Entrepreneurship” series. Part two includes important conversations about risk, learning, Godly discernment, God’s will, and the crea…
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This interview was first released as a bonus episode on August 5, 2022. We remastered it into two parts that—we think—fit nicely into Season Two’s “Christian Entrepreneurship” series. Colin Murdy was simply being generous, as his parents taught him to be, but by placing a stunning leather journal in another’s hand he opened a window of discovery. I…
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Part 2 of our interview with Dr. Pete Sheild becomes even more vivid, as we pick up from the lessons Pete learned as a high school state basketball champion to the beginnings of his entrepreneurial impulse. Pete speaks of the significant impact being part of a pastor’s family had on his business practice, and his personal interactions with patients…
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Can a dentist really be called an entrepreneur? We think so, and so does Pete Sheild, a man of varied interests and abilities. Pete is the son of a pastor. His Christian faith deeply influenced his vocational choices and sustained him in trial. He owned and operated a successful practice named Sheild Family Dentistry for many years. In Part 1 of ou…
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This episode is a discussion of why we like to attend the Good Shepherd Institute. GSI is a conference for pastors, church musicians, and others involved in ecclesiastical arts. Held in early November at Concordia Theological Seminary in Ft. Wayne, GSI is a wonderful opportunity to hear glorious church music, listen to first-class presentations on …
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Is there such a thing as “Christian entrepreneurship”? Mark and Renee Ebert would definitely say, “Yes!” They are the owners of Ebert’s Greenhouse Village (www.ebertsgreenhouse.com) in Ixonia, Wisconsin. In Part 2 of our interview we continue the conversation about what formed Mark, Renee, and their business. This takes us further into their histor…
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In this wonderful interview you’ll meet Mark and Renee Ebert, owners of Ebert’s Greenhouse Village (www.ebertsgreenhouse.com) in Ixonia, Wisconsin. Ebert’s is now a “greenhouse experience,” with millions of dollars in gross income, but it didn’t start that way. Listen for the humble origins with Mark’s father, Mark’s “buy in,” and the arrival of Re…
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This November-December (2023) is an interesting time. On the world stage there are disturbing wars in Ukraine and in Israel. There is metaphorical saber-rattling for the 2024 presidential election. There’s much about which to be concerned. But here, in our Christ In All Things 2023 Advent-Christmas Preview, we preview the St. Paul’s—Oconomowoc (WI)…
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In Part 2 of our interview with Cheryl Tesch we talk about how Cheryl was formed by her service to the church, and by some very challenging situations in her life. Here, again, Cheryl’s candor and faithfulness are on display. It is a delightful conversation about how Christ forms His servants by the Word of God, suffering, and the fellowship of bel…
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Every Christian congregation needs at least one Cheryl Tesch. She is a "get things done person." This is the first of our two-part interview with Cheryl, who (You will see 😊) is a Christian of deep faith, humility, candor, and good humor. Over the years she has served St. Paul’s in more ways than we could probably count. For the pastors who intervi…
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Part 2 of our interview with Dan Eifert is an American symphony of sorts. It is the story of a man and a woman (Dan and Rachelle) who are at a liberal arts university to pursue medical careers, but whose participation in a university choir—and the addition of a music major for one—becomes a prelude to a grander journey involving unforeseen career p…
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“Since the spiritual life is produced by the Holy Spirit for people with bodies, Christian spirituality is embodied piety.” Thus says Dr. John Kleinig in the Introduction (“Body Matters”) of his book, Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body. This is Part 2 of our ongoing conversation about Dr. Kleinig’s book. If you didn’t listen to Par…
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“Our life in the body is messy,” says one of our hosts during this discussion, which is the first of several episodes wherein we will discuss Dr. John Kleinig’s book, Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body. The overall topic, which is called "the theology of the body," is the topic of our time, for it is a discussion about what it mean…
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In Part 2 of our interview with Sara Benes, we continue the conversation about a life that flows from the centrality of church and family to a very moving conversation about the importance of Christ and daily meditation on His Word. For those who desire some kind of a devotional life, this interview with Sara will be both an inspiration and an exam…
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Sara Ruth (Mueller) Benes was a seventh grader when her family moved to Oconomowoc, Wisconsin from Salt Lake City, Utah. The rest is living St. Paul’s history. Except for a time out-of-state in college and then early in her career and married life, Sara has been a fixture at St. Paul’s, where for some years she has been the third grade teacher at S…
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On August 8, 2022, Rev. Gary Schockman died in The LORD. In the last year Pastor Lance O’Donnell has been interviewing his colleague, Rev. Jason Schockman, about “grieving with hope.” In this interview, recorded one year after his father’s death, we hear through the discussion the abiding and life-changing hope that Christ gives, and—among other th…
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In Part 2 of our interview with Dale Stratil, we probe for the top 3-5 things that have formed Stratil Enterprises, Inc. (www.stratil.com) In the process we discovered that the Stratils laugh about operating a “boomerang factory.” We also discover how Dale and Kim enjoy working together, a fascinating correspondence with friendship, and that above …
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While pursuing a business and information technology degree at Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a classmate of Dale Stratil (Pronounced STRAY-till) asked him if he was getting lots of questions about how to solve computer problems. The friend thought there would be a way for them to get paid for this. In 1994 that led to formation of S…
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In part 2 of our Season 1 wrap-up, we start with a laugh . . . and then decide to keep laughing. . . because—as we look ahead to the Season 2 discussions and teaching about the “theology of the body”—it is a joy to be a redeemed child of God and enjoy the company of others. Laugh along with us as we talk about practical jokes we played on one anoth…
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Christ in All Things is a local, congregational podcast. It is designed to be an ear into pastoral conversations about the life in Christ that has its epicenter at St. Paul’s Lutheran Church in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. We teach on the podcast, and we listen to the stories of some wonderful people. As we wrap-up Season 1 we consider what we learned, r…
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The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead changes everything. It means that all Jesus said is true. He is God in the flesh, who forgives the sins of all and gives new and eternal life. We encourage everyone to join us for that celebration, which is commonly called “Easter.” But, with this preview we want to encourage you to deepen your appreci…
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So often we go about our lives—going to school or work, going to the grocery store or out to eat—we see all kinds of different people… and have no idea of the incredible stories that are playing out among them. Dorothy Duchow is a sweet and kind church lady. She loves the Lord, loves to sing, loves to serve, but there’s a fascinating adventure stor…
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Dorothy means “God’s gift.” Fay in Hebrew means “loyalty, trust,” or “hope.” To meet Dorothy Fay Duchow is to know someone who confesses Jesus Christ as God’s gift, someone who lives in abiding hope. Part 1 of our interview with Dorothy discusses the significance of her name and her Great Depression-era beginnings in West Allis, Wisconsin, includin…
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Family life has all kinds of “unintended consequences.” For example, you may walk the path together in one way for years and then have to take a different route because of construction… and discover a new and fascinating path. Something analogous happened at St. Paul’s in 2022. After years of struggling with a sound system that didn’t work well in …
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From ancient times, the Church has kept the season of Lent as a time of prayerful and penitential reflection. We fast. We refrain from “Alleluias” (Hebrew for “praise The LORD”). Musical adornment is diminished, etc. It is also, historically, a time of intense teaching leading up to the remembrance of Jesus death on Good Friday and His resurrection…
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This is our second-last conversation with Rev. Jason Schockman about “Grieving with hope.” We recorded this, by design, was one half-year after his father’s death. There isn’t a great “milestone” in this episode, and every grief journey is unique, but this conversation is a journey of memory, and as such it is an example of the kind of questions on…
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Our last conversation with Rev. Jason Schockman occurred just a month after his father’s death. That was a conversation filled with Christian hope and thankfulness. This conversation in our “Grieving with Hope” series picks up after the Schockmans passed through “the holiday season”: Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s. The hope and thankfulnes…
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Full of energy and the joy of Christ, Mary Hickenbottom serves as a sister, a friend, a realtor, a property manager, and as the volunteer Director of The Lord’s Cupboard, the food pantry of St. Paul’s Lutheran Church in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. Part 2 of our interview with Mary is an exploration of how Jesus Christ led Mary to quietly direct a servic…
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Mary Kay (Zastrow) Hickenbottom is a “lifer” at St. Paul’s: Baptized, confirmed, married, etc. Oconomowoc community members may know her as a realtor and property manager; many others know her as the volunteer Director of St. Paul’s food pantry, “The Lord’s Cupboard.” In Part 1 of our interview with Mary we explore—even as flawed as she admits that…
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Glenn Leidel is a tall, strong, gentle man, This, Part Two of our interview with Glenn, takes us from some very formative childhood experiences, to the exploration of his “pun-y-ness,” to his courtship and marriage to Linda (nee Eggers), to children, grandchildren, the importance of Christian education, and service in the church, where he is—as Pas…
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Glenn Robert Leidel is a retired deputy fire chief. That alone tells you a lot about his understanding of life as a call to service, an understanding that is rooted in his Christian faith. Those around St. Paul’s presently may know Glenn primarily as the guy who helps get things done with church properties, but he is also a son, a husband, a father…
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“Worship Whatnot 4: Why Do We Sing in Church?” is the fourth episode in our Worship Whatnot series. How we answer this question has a deep impact on the music selected for public worship, especially in the Divine Service. Our guest is St. Paul’s Director of Parish Music, Allison Mackie. Her perspective on singing together in the Divine Service is w…
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Nathan Meador says that we have “contact holiness” in Christ. What???? To find out that means come hear his Reformation Tap Society talk, “Where Worlds Intersect: Why the Body of Jesus Changes Everything,” on Sunday, December 18, 2022 at Brewfinity in Oconomwoc, Wisconsin. Social time begins at 5pm. The talk begins at 5:30pm. First time guests rece…
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Bill Voss is one of the very few living World War II veterans, and there are a lot of interviews with WWII veterans about the war. Those are important conversations, but perhaps even more important is what these folks built when they came home: in the family, in the church, and in the community. Part 2 of our interview explores Bill’s life after th…
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For the second-half of the twentieth century and into the twenty-first century people, thousands of people walked by William Henry Frederick “Bill” Voss on the street, worked next to him at the Carnation factory, or sat next to him in church… and likely had little or no idea of the extraordinary story that God was unfolding. Bill was born on June 2…
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In June 2021, still in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, Lutheran school teacher and wrestling coach, Michael Stollenwerk went in for what was expected to be—all things considered—a minor brain surgery. Things went well at first. And then they didn’t go well… And then Jenny Stollenwerk had a front row seat to a miracle. Our interview with Michael…
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This is Part 2 of our interview with a living legend, Gary Flanagan. We take a deeper dive into the youth group activities, Christian education, and other St. Paul’s legends who formed him. And then the conversation swings to the quiet but important ways in which Gary has been led to serve. In all this we see Christ at work in the lives of many, ma…
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Gary Flanagan is a fixture at St. Paul’s Lutheran Church in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. A legend. But he’s not the flamboyant, extroverted type. He works with his hands, mostly behind the scenes, faithfully and quietly serving his family, neighbors, and church. In Part 1 of our interview we talk a lot about the faithful and independent parents who forme…
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One month after his father’s death, Rev. Jason Schockman’s grief is different than it was earlier… and complicated. Grieving with hope is confidence in Christ in all things, but in this world we also wrestle with our own sinful flesh. The Christian will simultaneously love God’s Word and need it… and within moments recoil at expressions of sympathy…
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