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How does it feel to read Harry Potter after 2020? The words on the page don’t change. But times change. We, the readers, change. And that changes the story. Join podcast hosts Lorrie Kim and JC on a re-read of the series, chapter by chapter. As we delve into the story, we’ll remember what the books meant to us when they were first published and analyze what we see differently now. Find more episodes, transcripts, and more at hpafter2020.com.
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Now that Snape has Harry and Draco practice Expelliarmus against each other -- the people that they hate the most -- those boys are going to eventually go on to use this spell to bring down, each of them, one of the most powerful wizards of the century. In both cases, it's going to be Draco's wand against the Elder Wand. Both Harry and Draco have b…
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"There's this madman… this madman's coming at me!" His arm is shattered, it's hanging by his side. He's been drenched, he's got this intense look on his face. That must have scared the crap out of Draco. - JC, Ep. 2.10 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter2020.com.…
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"During the time of the Four Founders, there was an overriding real danger, which is that non-magical people were killing witches and wizards. That's what you want to be fighting, but Slytherin took it to in-fighting, had a blow-up with his three partners, took it out against them and decided that he was going to focus on killing Muggle-born studen…
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"You have to go to school and sit next to a kid whose family is trying to make sure that something really, really bad happens to your family; if you get hurt or killed in that process, they like it. That's their aim, because they somehow think that if people know that bad things like that can happen, then they'll just go away." - Ep. 2.8 For full s…
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"We've seen multiple teachers having to deal with Lockhart. They've all just gritted their teeth and sucked it up and they've maybe said something subtle, but no one has confronted him, which says something about who he's being protected by." -JC, Ep. 2.7 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, vis…
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"There's an exercise I do with kids about who really sets up the Dueling Club, and one of the exercises is to have them look up how people react to Lockhart and how predictable he is. How universally is Gilderoy Lockhart understood? Pretty universal." - Ep. 2.6 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and mor…
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"I put a lot of time and effort into learning how to make really good chocolate frogs, and I once made about 90 of them for a fifth-grade party. Also butterbeer, a good homemade butterbeer with cream soda, butterscotch syrup, and some whipped cream on the top, and that makes kids happy for sure." - JC, Ep. 2.5 For full show notes, transcripts, ways…
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"There's just so much fun stuff in this chapter. I love the world-building that we see here, I love the interactions that we see here. We get these little glimpses of the politics of this world. Lots of little things around the Weasleys' house that's great, around the Burrow. I love it. I want to go there." - JC, Ep. 2.4 For full show notes, transc…
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"It's cluttered and everything has been reused and repurposed, and there's a lot of people in there. But yet, it's clearly a well-loved space and a space where all these people -- all these kids -- have thrived growing up. I love that image of all of this clutter being something that's just part of life. It's just such a contrast with what Harry gr…
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"That's a big theme in this series: don't try to pull yourself out of depression by thinking, ‘Oh, you have to help yourself, you have to love yourself.’ No. When you're depressed, that power is dead, but you might still have the power to rouse yourself to do something if you're going to protect somebody you care about, and that is a greater power.…
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"He missed Hogwarts so much, it was like having a constant stomach ache." Yeah, there you go. That's the story. That's undeniable. The feeling of, "There is actually a place in the world for me. It's not here." - Ep. 2.1 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter2020.com.…
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"When pieces of soul are near each other, they long to unite. That's what causes the incredible pain in Harry's scar. We have Voldemort's soul in Quirrell's body touching Harry, who contains another part of Voldemort's soul, with this longing for wholeness that Voldemort does not understand, has never understood. That longing is so overpowering, th…
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"There was already someone there – but it wasn’t Snape. It wasn’t even Voldemort.” The most amazing cliffhanger. When you read this or when you read it to your children, who on earth stops there and says, 'Well, good night'?" - Ep. 1.16 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter2020.com.…
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"It was the unicorn all right, and it was dead. Harry had never seen anything so beautiful and sad.” To me, this sight is at the crux of the discourse about children's literature and contested content. This image, the purity and defenselessness of children's innocence, is what's being invoked by all sides." - Ep. 1.15 For full show notes, transcrip…
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"Even though Lily's sacrifice is couched as maternal love and protection, if we take Hagrid and Newt calling themselves 'mummy', then it's not only female caregivers who can cast this kind of blood magic." - Ep. 1.14 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter2020.com.…
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"Voldemort and his Death Eaters do not -- and will never -- understand protecting somebody that you actually dislike. They wouldn't even protect people they like. This is beyond their understanding. Snape can hide behind this forever; they will never catch on." -Ep. 1.13 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the sho…
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"All of Dumbledore's emphasis on humble things that Harry knows -- that Voldemort can't understand -- is an attempt to build up Harry so that he can be strong enough to contain this longing that nobody asks for but we're all born with." - Ep. 1.12 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpaft…
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"When you go back as an adult and you re-read this, then you see the level on which the teachers are all talking to each other that the students don't know about. You see how the teachers are talking about ways to tell the students as much as they need to know; things that they're telling the students that aren't quite true -- that are supposed to …
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"Ron is taught Wingardium Leviosa; he doesn't even know how to cast it, but it's going to pay off later. This is indoctrination. Indoctrination is not necessarily bad, although it's a word that's used as a negative in arguments. It's something that happens. We have young; we teach the young. Everything we teach them is a choice." For full show note…
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"We're beyond you, Malfoy. Not only did your little plan not work, but you don't even know what we're doing next." "In fact, thank you. Thank you!" - Lorrie Kim, Ep. 1.9 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter2020.com.
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"In my fantasies, there's an alternate universe in which Snape, after this disgraceful performance of a first day of Potions class, gets disciplined, and there's a headmaster saying, "You can't do that. You're on probation." And then there's the universe we live in, where real teachers really act like that. That's what this story's about, not what …
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“Lily's child comes to school, and he is runty and starved and abused, and we later find out he's prone to headaches. Oh, this is not good. Somebody's got a guilty conscience for a very good reason, and this is going to be his job from now until Harry graduates or Voldemort kills him, whichever comes first.” - Lorrie Kim, Ep. 1.7 For full show note…
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1.6: The Journey from Platform Nine and Three Quarters
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"Are you so important that you're acclaimed as part of the whole culture’s story? That is a level of emotional importance and cultural identity that is beyond whether you win things or you're president or whatever. Ron is going to be on a chocolate frog card. He is going to be the most successful of Molly's children." - Lorrie Kim, Ep 1.6 For full …
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“Ollivander won't rest until he finds your magic. You'll know it when you feel it, and sometimes it's not about things you've accomplished or powers you have, but about your hopes and your potential. This is, to me, the core value of this entire series: you matter. Your inner self matters. There is a true inner self. That's what magic is.” - Lorrie…
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“He's an in-between character; he is partly wild nature and partly culture. He'll wear a suit, but it'll be horrible brown fur; he'll eat and drink, but the plates and cups are enormous; and he is half qualified, he's half magical.” - Lorrie Kim For full show notes, transcripts, ways to contact the hosts or support the show, and more, visit hpafter…
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"The fatphobia felt different. It felt personal, and easily – instantly identified and rejected by the majority. To me, the fandom collective response to it serves as a pre-existing, very good and healthy template for how to deal with other offensive areas in the story if you're still going to extract the things that are valuable." - Lorrie Kim, Ep…
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"I feel pretty strongly that -- at least for me and probably for other people, too -- the solution is not simply to cut loose, abandon, and leave, because there's me in there. All the associations with this series, some of it I want to go retrieve. That's mine. I'm going to go in and get it, and I'm going to see which parts of it are mine and which…
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1.0: Introductions, histories, and hopes
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"The world is so different now than it was when I first read these books. 2020 is such a marker. There's a before 2020 and then there's after 2020 in our world, right? I'm curious to see: will I be able to enjoy this? Will I be able to engage with this again in a way that feels okay to me?" - JC, Ep. 1.0 For full show notes, transcripts, ways to co…
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