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The Last Human Voice Podcast

Marcus Hutton, Dr Mathilde Pavis & Annette Rizzo

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Two voice artists, Annette Rizzo and Marcus Hutton, join forces with Dr Mathilde Pavis, an expert in intellectual property law, ethics and new technologies. In conversation with artists and activists, they explore the professional, legal and ethical issues in Artificial Intelligence in the creative sectors and performance synthesis. * Music: “Songs for Ancestors” by Juno Reactor. With kind permission from Juno Reactor/Ben Watkins. www.junoreactor.com *Discussions over the course of these pod ...
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Most discussions about AI start with topic of "data mining". But how many of us are clear about what it is and how it works? And how can we be expected to care about something if we don't understand what it is? Even leaders, decision makers, artists, creatives - all of us - need a safe space to go and learn about it without the pressure or judgemen…
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In the first episode of Season 2, we look at the role of AI in Journalism. Are journalists facing a vicious cycle of generating click bait to drive revenue to keep media companies afloat to pay journalists to generate more click bait? Is AI making it worse - or might it offer a more positive future for journalism? Our guest, Pete Pachal of Media Co…
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Copyright Law is in our sights as we reach our Season 1 finale. Dr Andres Guadamuz is a Reader in Intellectual Property Law at the University of Sussex and the Editor in Chief of the Journal of World Intellectual Property. He is also the brain and pen behind the online publication ‘TechnoLlama’. He joins us to answer some of our many questions abou…
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Let's talk about death. Have you considered how you want your digital remains (yes, that's the correct term) to be treated after you're gone? Photos on Facebook, TikTok videos, LinkedIn profiles, demos, self-tapes, emails sent and received; everything you have ever uploaded or shared, whether personally or professionally, will digitally outlive you…
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What does it look like to do business with clones in a way which puts the artist at the centre of the deal? That's not just our question, but the question posed by Sam Radclyffe. Sam is an experienced entertainment and media rights executive, film producer, and entrepreneur. His answer is Galatea Holdings. Galatea is a Digital Twin Library and Mana…
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In this episode we take a look at very recent deals that tech giants have made with media and content platforms to train their AI models, with consent. We are asking: is the tide turning for training AI towards a licensing model, and away from crawling the web in the wild? In recent months Open AI has made deals with at least 11 companies, to acces…
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The story of UVA (United Voice Artists) is a lesson in organising, not just for Creative Workers, but for everyone affected by AI - which is to say, Everyone. Co-President, Patrick Messe, explains the urgent need for representation that brought together unions, guilds and other professional bodies, ahead of the EU AI Act. Their cross border collabo…
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Should the creation of Deepfakes be a protected right under the banner of Free Speech? How do existing laws balance our right to Free Speech with our Right to Privacy? Dr Dimitri Kagiaros is Assistant Professor in Law at the University of Durham and an expert on the regulation of Freedom of Expression. He has written extensively on the topic and hi…
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This time, we get a philosopher's take on AI. Jumbly Grindrod is a lecturer in philosophy at the University of Reading. He specializes in the philosophy of language and epistemology, which refers to the theory of knowledge itself. Does it - or should it - matter to us whether AI or a human being is talking, writing or engaging with us? What happens…
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In this episode, we select from the latest AI stories that have grabbed the headlines or slipped by stealth into our feeds. From the miscommunication that made Mamma Mia actor, Sara Poyzer, trend on Twitter, to the discovery of Marvin Gaye's long lost demos, we look at legislation, regulation and how artists and creative performers are responding t…
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Much of the fear generated by AI is about theft; the companies that own the technology will steal your image, replicate your voice and replace you with an AI version of you that takes your job. But perhaps it doesn't have to be that way. Since their collaboration on the documentary "Gerry Anderson: A Life Uncharted", Ben Field and Jamie Anderson ha…
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How would it feel to see a digital deepfake of someone you love who has died? What would you need to consider before agreeing to create it? Jamie Anderson and Ben Field can answer both of these questions and more. "Gerry Anderson: A Life Uncharted" is their 2022 documentary about the life and work of Gerry Anderson, TV and film producer, director, …
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Dr Dominic Lees is an award-winning filmmaker and director. He is also Associate Professor of Filmmaking at the University of Reading, with a research specialism in deepfakes. In 2019, "Virtual Maggie" was among his projects, exploring how AI technology could be used to resurrect Margaret Thatcher for a contemporary drama called "Rebel Bus". Dr Lee…
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Who is going to own your clone? Who gets to control your digital double after you're dead? And what kind of deal can unions do for the departed? In the second of two episodes dedicated to unpicking the SAG-AFTRA Deal, we move on from the rules and requirements for the creation and use of "employment-based replicas". These are replicas tied to speci…
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On the 14th of July 2023, the American actors’ union ‘SAG-AFTRA’ joined the strike already begun by the WGA (Writers' Guild of America.) The dispute with the AMPTP (Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers) was about pay, working conditions and AI. An interim deal was struck in November and approved by SAG-AFTRA members on the 5th of Dec…
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Our guest in this episode is Yvonne Muinde, an award-winning visual effects artist whose credit list takes in a range of iconic films, including the Planet of the Apes, The Hobbit, and Avatar. An established fine artist, Yvonne's work has featured in several collections, including the The Chemistry of Color Collection at the Philadelphia Museum of …
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“A ground-breaking, innovative new contract”; that’s the headline for the deal negotiated between SAG-AFTRA, the US Actors’ union and Replica, the company using AI to create digital voice replicas. What does the deal cover? What does it omit? As the first agreement of its kind, what could it mean for actors and performers both in and outside the US…
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What does it mean to have your voice or performance cloned? Is there a difference between cloning and synthesis? If I agree to the creation of my digital double, do I have any say in what it does next? And wherever it goes, will the Law be running to catch up? Put simply, do I want to be a clone?By Marcus Hutton, Dr Mathilde Pavis & Annette Rizzo
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The phrase "Know your worth" is often repeated among artists, performers and other freelance workers who have the responsibility for negotiating their own rates and terms of employment for every job they do. But how do you go about valuing yourself and your work? And how do you then convey that to an employer, especially in a landscape where cost, …
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Agents are the hard-negotiating, multi-tasking, contract-savvy industry experts, working to match the Talent they represent with paying clients. In what can be long contractual chains, agents provide a layer of protection for performers, who trust them to act in their best interest. Our guest this time is Daniel Hinchliffe, managing director of the…
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The EU Artificial Intelligence Act has been described as the most ambitious attempt to date at creating a legal framework for AI. We are joined this time by Dragos Tudorache, Member of the European Parliament, Vice-President of the Renew Europe Group and - as one of two Rapporteurs leading on the proposed Act - a key figure in policy making. What i…
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What does the term "Buyout" mean? What's the best way to respond to buyout requests from clients? And if you've agreed to a buyout, does that mean you consent to any and all uses - even to AI imitations of your voice/performance without additional consent or payment? In a discussion that ranges from fertiliser to Freedom of Contract, taking in Span…
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For Artists, AI offers an exciting toolkit - particularly tools for performance synthesis. But alongside the creative opportunities looms a potential threat to their creative futures. Annette, Mathilde and Marcus talk with composer, musician and technologist, Sarah Angliss, about her integration of technology and music and her experiences of workin…
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Why have America’s actors and writers gone on strike? And is why AI so important in the biggest Hollywood artists' strike since 1960? Tim Friedlander is founder of the National Association of Voice Artists (NAVA). Tim chats with Marcus, Mathilde and Annette about current events in the US. He explains what has led SAG-AFTRA and the Writers' Guild of…
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