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Many of us have experienced the sting of losing a job. But there’s something uniquely challenging about leaving a position in full-time vocational ministry. Whether you’re stepping down from a church or leaving a kingdom nonprofit, it’s not as simple as just changing jobs. Suddenly, everything changes. You’re left navigating not just a career transition, but also a profound shift in identity, community, and daily routines. It feels like stepping into an unknown, filled with questions like, ” ...
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I'm Not Dying In The Pulpit (featuring Dr. Toney Parks)
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Summary In this conversation, Pastor Toney Parks shares his journey from an unlikely candidate to becoming a pastor and his experiences growing up in Birmingham. He discusses the influence of Martin Luther King Jr. and the importance of community in the black church. Pastor Parks reflects on his 32 years of pastoring a church and the decision to re…
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Trusting The Good Shepherd (featuring Jon Morrison)
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Summary Jon Morrison shares his journey from vocational ministry to entrepreneurship. He discusses his call to ministry, the catalyst that brought him out of ministry, and the challenges he faced during the scrambling season. Jon emphasizes the transferable skills that pastors possess and how they can be applied in the marketplace. He shares his ow…
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Hope, Healing, and Health After Ministry (featuring Alan Ramsey)
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Summary Alan Ramsey shares his journey of transitioning out of vocational ministry and into a new career. He discusses the challenges and emotions he faced during this transition, as well as the support he received from his church leadership. Alan highlights the transferable skills he gained from ministry and how they apply to his current role as a…
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The Wilderness Paradox (featuring Ian & Sharalee Smith)
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Summary In this conversation, Ian and Sharalee Smith share their journey of transitioning in and out of ministry and the lessons they have learned along the way. They discuss the decision to have six children and the challenges and blessings of raising a large family. They also talk about living in the wilderness and the importance of trusting God …
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Forfeiting Your Soul In Ministry (featuring Shawn & Sonny Hennessy)
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Summary This conversation explores the challenges and struggles faced by pastors and their families in ministry. The guests, Shawn and Sonny Hennessy, share their personal journey of leaving ministry and finding restoration. They discuss the need for emotional growth, the systemic issues within the church, and the importance of creating a culture o…
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Ministry Is Not Defined By Who Signs Your Paycheck (featuring Michael Shafer)
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Summary Dr. Michael Shafer shares his journey of transitioning out of full-time ministry and starting G6 Allies, a ministry that supports pastors and church leaders. He discusses the challenges he faced, including being blindsided by his termination and the impact it had on his family. Despite the difficulties, he found healing and purpose in helpi…
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Choosing Discomfort (featuring Dane Sanders)
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Summary Dane Sanders shares his journey from vocational ministry to his current work with Men and Women of Discomfort. He discusses the challenges faced in vocational ministry and the need for better transitions and support within the Christian community. Dane explains the concept of Men and Women of Discomfort, a program that focuses on intentiona…
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Ministry In The Military (featuring Chaplain Jordan Huggins)
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Summary In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, titled "Ministry In The Military," we explore a path that many pastors might not have considered: becoming a military chaplain. Our guest, Chaplain Jordan Huggins, shares his firsthand experience serving in both the US Air Force and Space Force. For pastors wrestling with "what's next?" Jo…
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Essential Conversations For Your Board (featuring Dr. Dee Dee Mayer)
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Summary Dr. Dee Dee Mayer discusses the importance of board governance within the church and the need for training and support for governing boards. She shares her research on the role of elder boards in supporting wellness in pastoral leadership and the challenges they face. Dr. Mayer emphasizes the importance of selecting board members based on s…
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The Wounded Pastor (featuring Dr. Matthew Tanner)
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Summary It’s the reason we started the Life After Ministry podcast: the distressing experiences of leadership figures within the ministry who've faced the severe blow of unjust terminations or forced resignations. Join us as we explore this crucial topic with Dr. Matthew Tanner, founder of Wounded Leadership, an organization committed to offering r…
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God Doesn't Waste Pain (featuring Dillon Fawcett)
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Summary In this episode of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, Dillon Fawcett candidly shares his unique journey, transitioning from pastoral ministry and his entry point into the world of mental health counseling. With honesty and vulnerability, Dillon opens up about the ups and downs he experienced, the transitions that challenged him, and the inv…
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Cultivating Bravery In Transition (featuring BrianJames & Michelle McMahon)
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Summary This conversation explores the experiences of Brian James and Michelle McMahon as they transitioned out of vocational ministry and created safe spaces for pastors and church leaders. They discuss the challenges of being in ministry, the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, and the need for safe and supportive communities. The conve…
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Transitions In The African American Church (featuring J. Ricardo Smith)
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Summary In this episode, Matt Davis interviews J. Ricardo Smith at the Classic City Conference in Athens, Georgia. They discuss the purpose and origins of the conference, the state of the black church post-COVID, the challenges of identity and transition in ministry, finding hope and help in difficult seasons, planning for the future of the confere…
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Refined By The Fire(d) (featuring Kyle & Maria Isabelli)
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Summary Kyle and Maria Isabelli share their experience of being fired from their church ministry and the emotional impact it had on them. They discuss the process of being let go, the loss they felt, and the journey of healing and finding purpose again. Kyle wrote a book titled 'Refined by the Fired' to help others who have gone through similar exp…
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Summary As we wrap up an incredible first season of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, join us, Matt and Marilee Davis, in reflecting on the profound insights and heartwarming stories we've encountered. This journey hasn't just been about sharing stories - it's been a path of personal growth and unexpected joy for us too. Here are some pivotal take…
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When Heartbreak Redefines Ministry (featuring Clayton Stenson)
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Summary Clayton Stenson shares his journey of transitioning from ministry to a new career and finding hope and purpose in life after ministry. He discusses his background in ministry, the challenges he faced, and the support he received during a difficult time of grief and loss. Clayton also highlights the transferable skills he gained from his min…
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A Calling Greater Than Ministry (featuring Thom Van Dycke)
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Summary Tom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and st…
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Grieving Our Own Losses (featuring Dan Broyles)
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Summary: In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition. Our guest, Dan Broyles, wears two significant ha…
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Can Pastors Be Entrepreneurs? (featuring Jon Sanders)
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In this conversation, Jon Sanders shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into a new season of ministry. He discusses the calling that led him into ministry and the challenges he faced along the way. Jon also explores the concept of bi-vocational ministry and the role of entrepreneurs in the church. He encourages pastors to embrace …
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Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright (featuring Jonathan Malm)
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In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we tackle a critical issue that often serves as a catalyst for pastoral transitions: burnout. While our mission at Pastoral Transitions is to support ministry leaders in their journey out of ministry, we're equally passionate about preventing burnout to keep our church leaders healthy, strong, and…
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Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You (featuring Ryan and Lindsay Gentles)
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In "Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You," the ninth episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we’re invited into the world of Ryan and Lindsay Gentles. It's a tale of closing a decade-long chapter in ministry, of navigating farewells that feel more like eulogies than celebrations, and the struggle to exit gracefully without the dramatics of a…
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When Elders Initiate Transition (featuring Gary Weaber)
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In Episode 8, we sit down with Gary Weaber, who poured his heart into pastoral ministry for over three and a half decades. Imagine, after 36 dedicated years, facing a conversation with your elders about stepping down from your teaching role. Most pastors dread this talk, fearing miscommunication, hurt, and the potential fallout that could affect th…
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The Difference Between Hurt & Injury (featuring Shane McDonald)
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Just mentioning "church hurt" will hit home for many of you. It’s baffling. The very place we'd expect to find solace and healing often turns out to be a source of deep wounds. If this resonates with you, you're not alone, and this episode is a must-listen. Our guest, Shane McDonald, a licensed mental health counselor and former pastor, knows all t…
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Transition Can Be ’Brutiful’ (featuring Justin and Amanda McNeil)
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We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling. What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustra…
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Pain Is A Teacher (featuring Gary & Lisa Black)
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In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions. From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode. Their story is…
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The Holy Mess Of Pastoral Transitions (featuring Josh Harris)
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Episode 4 of the Life After Ministry Podcast is a replay of a conversation Matt Davis had on Josh Harris's podcast, "Clear and Loud." Entitled "The Holy Mess of Pastoral Transitions," this episode dives deep into the complexities that come with leaving a role in ministry. With over two decades of experience as a Teaching and Executive Pastor, Matt …
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Your Mental Health After Ministry (featuring Noe Rivera)
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In Episode 3 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we talk to Noe Rivera, a key member of the founding team behind Pastoral Transitions. Growing up as a pastor's kid, Noe intimately understands the emotional toll that ministry transitions can take on families. Titled "Mental Health After Ministry," this episode dives into Noe's missionary years and t…
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How To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry (featuring Bill Tom)
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In Episode 2 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we sit down with Bill Tom, Founder, CEO, and Chief Ministry Officer of Pastoral Transitions. With a rich background in career coaching and executive search, Bill offers priceless advice on vocational discernment for those exiting ministry roles. The episode, aptly titled "How To Figure Out Your Caree…
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In the inaugural episode of the Life After Ministry Podcast, hosts Matt and Marilee Davis open up about their own journey post-ministry. With vulnerability, they discuss the challenges and opportunities they encountered as they transitioned into a new career, community, and even way of life. The episode digs into the complexities of untangling emot…
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Change is inevitable, especially in our careers. For those who have devoted their lives to the profound call of ministry, transitioning away can seem not just like a change of job, but a seismic shift in identity and purpose. But it's essential to remember: transitions in ministry can also be immensely positive and lead to vibrant new beginnings. A…
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