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In AI We Trust? is a podcast with Miriam Vogel of EqualAI and Kay Firth-Butterfield of the Centre for Trustworthy Technology that surveys the global landscape for inspiration and lessons in developing responsible, trustworthy artificial intelligence. Each episode aims to answer a ‘big question' in ethical AI with prominent lawmakers, leading thinkers, and internationally renowned authors.
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Pondering AI

Kimberly Nevala, Strategic Advisor - SAS

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How is the use of artificial intelligence (AI) shaping our human experience? Kimberly Nevala ponders the reality of AI with a diverse group of innovators, advocates and data scientists. Ethics and uncertainty. Automation and art. Work, politics and culture. In real life and online. Contemplate AI’s impact, for better and worse. All presentations represent the opinions of the presenter and do not represent the position or the opinion of SAS.
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In this episode of #InAIWeTrust, Dr. Brennan Spiegel, Cedars-Sinai Director of Health Services Research and Chair of Digital Health Ethics, discusses his use of AI for increased efficiencies and to improve patient care, including co-founding Xaia, an AI mental health tool. He talks about the importance of human-centered design and how AI can enable…
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John Danaher assesses how AI may reshape ethical and social norms, minds the anticipatory gap in regulation, and applies the MVPP to decide against digitizing himself. John parlayed an interest in science fiction into researching legal philosophy, emerging technology, and society. Flipping the script on ethical assessment, John identifies six (6) m…
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Ben Bland expressively explores emotive AI’s shaky scientific underpinnings, the gap between reality and perception, popular applications, and critical apprehensions. Ben exposes the scientific contention surrounding human emotion. He talks terms (emotive? empathic? not telepathic!) and outlines a spectrum of emotive applications. We discuss the po…
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Philip Rathle traverses from knowledge graphs to LLMs and illustrates how loading the dice with GraphRAG enhances deterministic reasoning, explainability and agency. Philip explains why knowledge graphs are a natural fit for capturing data about real-world systems. Starting with Kevin Bacon, he identifies many ‘graphy’ problems confronting us today…
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Matthew Scherer makes the case for bottom-up AI adoption, being OK with not using AI, innovation as a relative good, and transparently safeguarding workers’ rights. Matthew champions a worker-led approach to AI adoption in the workplace. He traverses the slippery slope from safety to surveillance and guards against unnecessarily intrusive solutions…
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In this episode, Russell Wald, Deputy Director at the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence (HAI) underscores the importance of academic research around AI, key lessons from the AI Index Report, the need for uniform AI benchmarks, and the value of AI education for policy makers. Resources mentioned in this episode: 2024 AI I…
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Heidi Lanford connects data to cocktails and campaigns while considering the nature of data disruption, getting from analytics to AI, and using data with confidence. Heidi studied mathematics and statistics and never looked back. Reflecting on analytics then and now, she confirms the appetite for data has never been higher. Yet adoption, momentum a…
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Marianna B. Ganapini contemplates AI nudging, entropy as a bellwether of risk, accessible ethical assessment, ethical ROI, the limits of trust and irrational beliefs. Marianna studies how AI-driven nudging ups the ethical ante relative to autonomy and decision-making. This is a solvable problem that may still prove difficult to regulate. She posits…
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Miriam Vogel disputes AI is lawless, endorses good AI hygiene, reviews regulatory progress and pitfalls, boosts literacy and diversity, and remains net positive on AI. Miriam Vogel traverses her unforeseen path from in-house counsel to public policy innovator. Miriam acknowledges that AI systems raise some novel questions but reiterates there is mu…
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Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-Founder and Chairman of Silverado Policy Accelerator and Co-Founder of CrowdStrike, joins this week’s episode of #InAIWeTrust to share his view that we are in the “Second Cold War” with China, the role of AI in this battle as well as in bio tech and other key sectors, and the role of government in this arena. To hear more fro…
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Melissa Sariffodeen contends learning requires unlearning, ponders human-AI relationships, prioritizes outcomes over outputs, and values the disquiet of constructive critique. Melissa artfully illustrates barriers to innovation through the eyes of a child learning to code and a seasoned driver learning to not drive. Drawing on decades of experience…
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Scott Galloway, professor, entrepreneur, and best selling author, joins this week’s episode of In AI We Trust? to cover hot topics including: impact of AI on businesses as a “corporate ozempic,” the political influence of “shallow fakes,” the dangerous threat of AI on our increasingly vulnerable and lonely population, the role of business executive…
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In this week’s episode of In AI We Trust? Ylli Bajraktari, President and CEO of the Special Competitive Studies Project, joins us to discuss the implications of AI on national security, geopolitical competition, what the US government can do to establish a foundation for success in AI leadership, and the upcoming SCSP AI expo in DC (May 7-8). ― Res…
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Shannon Mullen O’Keefe champions collaboration, serendipitous discovery, curious conversations, ethical leadership, and purposeful curation of our technical creations. Shannon shares her professional journey from curating leaders to innovative ideas. From lightbulbs to online dating and AI voice technology, Shannon highlights the simultaneously bea…
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In this episode of In AI We Trust?, Koustubh “K.J.” Bagchi, VP of the recently established Center for Civil Rights and Technology, founded by The Leadership Conference Education Fund, discusses the impact of AI on democracy, including deepfakes and elections; the interplay between AI and privacy; and the state of federal civil rights actions on AI.…
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Sarah Gibbons and Kate Moran riff on the experience of using current AI tools, how AI systems may change our behavior and the application of AI to human-centered design. Sarah and Kate share their non-linear paths to becoming leading user experience (UX) designers. Defining the human-centric mindset Sarah stresses that intent is design and we are a…
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In this episode of In AI We Trust? Shelley Zalis, founder and CEO of The Female Quotient (FQ), joins us in celebration of Women’s History Month. Tune in to learn about the FQ’s Algorithm for Equality Manifesto, how AI can help close the gender gap and the whys of championing women in industry. ― Resources mentioned in this episode: The Algorithm fo…
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Simon Johnson takes on techno-optimism, the link between technology and human well-being, the law of intended consequences, the modern union remit and political will. In this sobering tour through time, Simon proves that widespread human flourishing is not intrinsic to tech innovation. He challenges the ‘productivity bandwagon’ (an economic maxim s…
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This week Helen Toner, Director of Strategy and Foundational Research Grants at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET), joins In AI We Trust? to discuss decoding China’s AI policies, AI’s role in warfare, the potential impact of AI agents, challenges around regulating changing technology, and how to approach AI evaluations.…
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In this episode, Dr. Micky Tripathi, National Coordinator for Health Information Technology at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), shares how AI can improve patient care, current work at HHS to implement the WH Executive Order on AI, the potential risks that AI presents to the healthcare system and how transparency can improve AI out…
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Professor Rose Luckin provides an engaging tutorial on the opportunities, risks, and challenges of AI in education and why AI raises the bar for human learning. Acknowledging AI’s real and present risks, Rose is optimistic about the power of AI to transform education and meet the needs of diverse student populations. From adaptive learning platform…
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Katrina Ingram addresses AI power dynamics, regulatory floors and ethical ceilings, inevitability narratives, self-limiting predictions, and public AI education. Katrina traces her career from communications to her current pursuits in applied AI ethics. Showcasing her way with words, Katrina dissects popular AI narratives. While contemplating AI FO…
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In this episode, Dr. Athina Kanioura, Executive Vice President and Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo, updates us on Pepsico’s pioneering steps in providing technology and opportunities to its workers and partners of all sizes, her wish list for AI and privacy regulation, and the measures she has instilled at Pepsico to establish …
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Paulo Carvão discusses AI’s impact on the public interest, emerging regulatory schemes, progress over perfection, and education as the lynchpin for ethical tech. In this thoughtful discussion, Paulo outlines the cultural, ideological and business factors underpinning the current data economy. An economy in which the manipulation of personal data in…
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Join us this week with AI-pioneer, Andrew Ng (Founder of DeepLearning.AI, Landing AI, Coursera, General Partner at the AI Found, adjunct professor at Stanford University) as we discuss the likelihood of AI’s existential threat, the merits of regulation, the transformative power of generative AI, and the need for greater AI literacy. ― Resources men…
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Join us for our first episode of In AI We Trust in 2024 featuring Kent Walker, President of Global Affairs and General Counsel at Google and Alphabet. In this episode, we examine the evolving global regulatory landscape, discuss the launch of Gemini – Google’s latest and most advanced AI model, analyze emerging trends in AI capabilities, and delve …
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Join us for a thought-provoking episode as we delve into empowering society with AI “superpowers.” In this final episode of the year of In AI We Trust?, our guest, Raffi Krikorian, CTO of Emerson Collective, shares his insights into the broader landscape of AI using technology to amplify societal impact. Discover his vision on how AI will impact el…
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Dr. Erica Thompson reflects on Making Model Decisions about and with AI. In this capsule series, prior guests share their insights on current happenings in AI and intuitions about what to expect next. To learn more, check out Erica’s book Escape from Model Land: How Mathematical Models Can Lead Us Astray and What We Can Do About It…
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Roger Spitz reflects on Upskilling Human Decision Making in the age of AI. In this capsule series, prior guests share their insights on current happenings in AI and intuitions about what to expect next. To learn more, check out Roger’s book series The Definitive Guide to Thriving on DisruptionBy Kimberly Nevala, Strategic Advisor - SAS
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Henrik Skaug Sætra reflects on Environmental and Social Sustainability with AI. In this capsule series, prior guests share their insights on current happenings in AI and intuitions about what to expect next. To learn more, check out Henrik’s latest book: Technology and Sustainable Development: The Promise and Pitfalls of Techno-Solutionism…
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Join us this week as we delve into the pivotal role played by big tech and its CEOs in shaping AI development and policies. Ross Andersen, staff writer at The Atlantic, offers exclusive insights into the recent changes at OpenAI and discusses AI's historical significance, China's geopolitical influence, and the phenomenon of “foomscrolling.”…
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Georgetown University Law Center Associate Professor Amanda Levendowski, and guest co-host Karyn Temple, Senior Executive Vice President and Global General Counsel for the Motion Picture Association (MPA) and EqualAI board member, join In AI We Trust? to explore the protections and limits of copyright law. Tune in to learn more about training AI sy…
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Vijay Karunamurthy, field Chief Technology Officer at Scale AI, joins this week’s episode of In AI We Trust? to discuss how companies can responsibly harness the benefits of AI, the necessary role humans play in that process, and how a diversity of expertise is key to developing functional guardrails. Tune in to hear more on evaluating AI systems a…
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Paul Rennie, the Head of the Global Economy Group at the British Embassy in Washington D.C., joins this week’s episode of In AI We Trust? to discuss the upcoming U.K. AI Safety Summit, the U.K.’s approach to AI regulation, and the international regulatory landscape of AI. Tune in to learn more about who is participating in the upcoming Summit, what…
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In part two of our special episode of In AI We Trust?, EqualAI advisors Victoria Espinel and Reggie Townsend discuss how they got into the field of AI, their involvement in the EqualAI Badge Program and their experiences guiding its participants, and, along with Dawn Bloxwich, discuss how companies can benefit from their co-authored white paper: An…
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In this week’s special episode of In AI We Trust?, we interview three of our EqualAI Badge Program alumni—Xuning (Mike) Tang (Verizon), Diya Wynn (AWS), and Catherine Goetz (LivePerson)—to discuss their journey’s in the responsible AI field, share their highlights from the EqualAI Badge Program and AI Summit, and underscore the main takeaways from …
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Tune into this week’s episode of In AI We Trust? with former United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, and Lucy Thomson (American Bar Association), to learn the ways in which AI is changing the legal landscape, how the ABA is tackling this issue (spoiler alert: we applaud the launch of the new AI TF), and to learn the Secretar…
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Professor Sarah Hammer, Executive Director at the Wharton School of the U. of Penn and leads Wharton Cypher Accelerator and Dr. Philipp Hacker, Chair for Law and Ethics of the Digital Society at the European New School of Digital Studies at European University join this week on In AI We Trust? to debrief their recent #AIforGood Conference. Listen t…
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In this week’s episode, we are joined by Chair of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) Charlotte Burrows, who highlights the EEOC’s work to address AI proliferation in the employment sphere. She discusses the need to increase education of the public on how AI is being used, EEOC guidance on key civil rights bills such as the Amer…
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