NFIB, the leading advocacy group for Small Business, brings on experts to discuss and analyze current issues that directly affect small businesses across the nation.
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Small Business by the Numbers is the NFIB Research Center podcast where we discuss everything related to the small business economy. Co-hosts Holly Wade, the Executive Director of the NFIB Research Center, and Peter Hansen, Director of Research and Policy Analysis, will discuss data, stories, and the economic conditions affecting small businesses nationwide.
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Together, NFIB and small business owners advocate for the independence of small business. NFIB’s lobbying efforts are strongest when supported by the real voices of business owners. Whether you want to take action by using an email action alert, speaking to the media, or testifying before a committee, NFIB offers the tools and support to make your voice heard.
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Brothers Brian and John Kabateck take a unique approach to discussions affecting business and consumers alike in the state with a discussion that is presented with humor and conflict from brothers of typically differing opinions. Brian Kabateck is Founding and Managing Partner of Kabateck, LLP. A legal firm defending consumers rights and protections. Brian was also President of the Consumers Attorneys of California. John Kabateck, is President of Kabateck Strategies, LLP. His firm keeps the ...
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Ep. 77: Marketing Tips to Grow Your Small Business
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27:06Finding the best ways to market your small business can be a difficult task. In this episode, NFIB member Karen Stanley, small business owner and Marketing Director at Neon Frog agency, provides tips to revamp your marketing strategy, discusses what tactics work, and outlines simple steps for getting started. Listen to this Small Business Rundown e…
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Episode 35: California’s Political Stress Test — A Conversation with Dan Schnur
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43:29Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this special episode of Kabatalks, Brian and John are joined by longtime political strategist and USC professor Dan Schnur for a wide-ranging conversation on California as the proving ground for national political ambition. From crime and public safety …
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Ep. 76: New No Tax on Tips and No Tax on Overtime Laws
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15:11A new federal tax law passed this year affects a variety of taxes for small businesses and employees. Clarifying the tax relief for employees earning tips and overtime are Stephen Kenney, an Associate at one of the largest labor and employment law firms, and Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center.…
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Ep. 2: Small Business Optimism Increased in November Data
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23:34Holiday shopping is underway, and small business optimism is increasing in NFIB’s recent Small Business Economic Trends data. Co-hosts Holly Wade, NFIB Research Center Executive Director, and Peter Hansen, Director of Research and Policy Analysis, explore causes for the increase in optimism, including positive news on sales, hiring, and compensatio…
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Episode 34: Prop 36, California’s Crime Debate, and the Early Stakes of the 2026 Governor’s Race
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37:26Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode, Brian and John break down Proposition 36 — what it changes, why voters backed it, and the growing fight over how to fund it. They tackle the core debates around public safety, rehabilitation, and whether the measure deepens existing dispar…
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Ep. 75: Beneficial Ownership Update in New York & Nationwide
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18:19Nationwide, beneficial ownership reporting requirements are on hold for U.S. small businesses, but in New York, state lawmakers are doubling down with a state-level requirement to force small businesses to register personally identifiable information with the New York Department of State. NFIB State Region Director, Greg Biryla, and NFIB Director o…
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Ep. 74: Your Guide to Credit Card Surcharges and Cash Discounts
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13:45NFIB’s Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the Small Business Legal Center, and Senior Attorney Rob Smith, discuss credit card surcharge fees and the impact of rising swipe fees on small businesses. Listen to the full podcast for more information on state and federal regulations and how upcoming legislation could limit growing swi…
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Ep. 1: October Small Business Economic Trends
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30:59Each month, the NFIB Research Center surveys a random sample of NFIB members to collect data for the Small Business Economic Trends Report. To kick off the new research podcast, co-hosts Holly Wade, Executive Director of the NFIB Research Center, and Peter Hansen, NFIB’s Director of Research and Policy Analysis, dive deeper into the key findings fr…
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The National Federation of Independent Business has been collecting and analyzing data focused on small businesses for 53 years. In this introductory episode of Small Business by the Numbers, co-hosts Holly Wade, NFIB Research Center Executive Director, and Peter Hansen, Director of Research and Policy Analysis, explainwhy this data matters and pro…
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Episode 33: Prop 50, Redistricting, and the Future of California Politics
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41:19Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode, the guys dive into the fallout from Election Night — starting with Proposition 50 in California and what its passage means for redistricting, representation, and the balance of political power. They get into the messaging wars, the motivat…
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Ep. 73: Quick Tips for Finding, Hiring, and Retaining Qualified Employees
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13:15Research shows a tight labor market, making it difficult for small businesses to find qualified workers. NFIB experts Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the Small Business Legal Center, and Holly Wade, Vice President of the Research Center, discuss hiring and retaining qualified workers through a tight labor market. Get strategie…
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Ep. 72: Small Business Tax Issues on Nov. 4 Texas Ballot
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12:27Texas voters can provide immediate, meaningful tax relief by voting ‘YES’ on Prop 9 in the November election. NFIB member and small business owner Tim Green, Region State Director Dawn McVea, and Texas State Director Jeff Burdett, discuss Prop 9, a Texas ballot issue, and the importance of its passage. Tim explains how the inventory tax affects his…
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Ep. 71: U.S. Supreme Court Cases to Watch
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18:06Small business owner and NFIB member Kenny Crenshaw with Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center Beth Milito discuss recent legal cases and how small business owners can drive change for better laws and regulations. Beth provides an update on court cases in the next U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) term that may imp…
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Episode 32: Assemblymember John Harabedian on Honest Government, Sacramento Politics, and Serving His District
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1:00:51Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode, the guys sit down with California Assemblymember John Harabedian to talk about his path from prosecutor to public servant and the issues shaping Sacramento today. They dig into his legislative priorities, from tackling homelessness and hou…
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Ep. 70: U.S. Rep. Jason Smith & Historic Tax Relief
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16:25Rodney Wideman, a Missouri small business owner and Congressman Jason Smith, Chairman of the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee (MO-08) explain the impact of a new law that stopped a massive federal tax hike on small businesses by making the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction permanent. They discuss this historic tax victory for small businesses and…
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Ep. 69: Tips to Make the Most of Meetings on Capitol Hill
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17:29John Byers, Chief of Staff for U.S. Representative August Pfluger of Texas, discusses best practices for connecting with members of Congress and how small business owners’ perspectives shape future legislation. Make your voice heard! Contact your elected officials today. Rate and review the Small Business Rundown on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon …
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Ep. 68: Small Business Rights Impacted by Union Laws and Regulations
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15:15NFIB experts Tim Goodrich, Vice President of State Government Relations and Dylan Rosnick, Principal of Federal Government Relations discuss the impact of labor unions on small business and the latest legislation related to unionization. They explore pro-union policy threats in the states and Congress and how small business owners can get involved …
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Ep. 67: Beneficial Ownership Reporting Update
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17:25NFIB member and small business owner Steve Flanagan provides his first-hand experience dealing with the challenges of beneficial ownership reporting. NFIB’s Director of Federal Government Relations, Josh McLeod, explains the status of the mandate and why action is needed to protect small businesses from it permanently. Make your voice heard! Tell C…
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Ep. 66: Small Business Wins 20% Tax Deduction Fight
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11:12NFIB President Brad Close and Vice President of Federal Government Regulations Jeff Brabant shed light on a major small business victory. Hear how NFIB members made their voices heard and how the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction was made permanent to stop a massive tax hike on small business. Make your voice heard! Tell Congress what the now-perman…
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Ep. 65: Cybersecurity for Small Businesses
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19:32Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center is joined by Scott Augenbaum, a cybersecurity expert and former FBI agent, to explore how small business owners can protect themselves and their businesses from cybercriminals. They dive into a series of tips for reducing risks and maintaining privacy and dat…
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Ep. 64: NFIB Members Urge Action on Capitol Hill
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21:19Two NFIB members attending NFIB’s annual Fly-In event in Washington, D.C., explain why they took time away from their business to come to Capitol Hill to meet with lawmakers. Small business owners Shad Hall and April Meier discuss what may happen if the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction expires at the end of the year and the need to repeal unconstit…
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Episode 31: The Big Beautiful Bill, Senator Padilla’s Forced Exit, No Kings Protests, and the Military Parade
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38:53Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode, the guys dig into the controversial “Big Beautiful Bill” passed by House Republicans this spring — a large package that cuts billions from food aid, relaxes regulations, supports fossil fuel projects, and includes tax breaks like the no-ta…
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Ep. 63: Tips to Make Your Website ADA Compliant
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25:25NFIB Member and Pennsylvania small business owner Jim Crooks joins Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center to explore the complexities of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), website compliance, and how lawsuits associated with the ADA could affect your small business. They also dive into ste…
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Episode 30: LA Protests, Immigration Crackdowns, and the Legal Limits of Presidential Power
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37:51Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode of Kabatalks, John and Brian square off over one of the most explosive headlines in California politics: the deployment of federal troops to Los Angeles amidst ICE raids and growing street protests. Was it a necessary response to chaos—or a…
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Ep. 62: What to Know About Federal Small Business Issues
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16:58NFIB’s Federal Government Relations experts explain key small business legislation, where it stands in Congress, and predictions on Capitol Hill. Jeff Brabant, Vice President of Federal Government Relations discusses the status of the Small Business Tax Deduction, Director Josh McLeod gives an update on beneficial ownership reporting requirements, …
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Ep. 61: Tips to Prevent Credit Card Chargebacks
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8:18NFIB’s Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center, discusses why credit card chargebacks happen and how to prevent them. Milito explains what a chargeback is, why it is problematic for small business owners, and how they can fight a chargeback. Learn more in the NFIB Legal Center’s Credit Card Chargeb…
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Episode 29: Assemblymember Laurie Davies on Bipartisanship, GOP Revival, and California’s Political Future
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31:42Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. In this episode, we sit down with Assemblymember Laurie Davies to explore the evolving mood in Sacramento—Is it tense? Collaborative? Or somewhere in between? A former small business owner, Davies offers her take on how bipartisan cooperation can still thr…
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Ep. 60: Beneficial Ownership (BOI) Repeal Update
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11:17Beth Milito, Vice President and Executive Director of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center, and Josh Mcleod, Director of NFIB Federal Government Relations explain the recent beneficial ownership victory for small businesses, the current status of the regulatory battle, and what it means for small businesses. Beth discusses what she’s been hearing f…
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Ep. 59: Key Tax Deduction Expiring Without Congressional Action
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35:53This tax season, small business owners discuss how they use the savings from the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction to invest in their business, employees, and community. NFIB members Kellie Loudin and Tim Corbitt discuss specific ways they use deduction savings and why it is crucial for Congress to make the deduction permanent to prevent a massive t…
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Ep 58: Small Business Tax Priorities with U.S. Rep. Carol Miller
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19:45NFIB member Michael Ervin, owner of Coal River Coffee Co. in West Virginia discusses the role of the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction in his small business a what a massive tax hike would mean for his business and employees. U.S. Representative Carol Miller (WV-01) explains her legislative priorities including her view on the Small Business Deducti…
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Episode 28: Senator Tom Umberg on California's Legislative Challenges and Bipartisanship Opportunities.
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36:27Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. What makes California's legislative environment a breeding ground for cooperation, even amidst political supermajorities? Join us as we promise a deeper understanding of the unique dynamics within the California Senate, courtesy of our conversation with St…
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Ep. 57: Small Business Response and Recovery When Disaster Hits
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31:44NFIB member and small business owner Aileen Band, located in Daytona Beach Shores, Florida, describes how her small business recovered from being hit by two hurricanes in 2022. California’s NFIB State Director John Kabateck and Florida’s NFIB State Executive Director Bill Herrle give details on the ways NFIB connects small business owners with rele…
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Bonus Episode: Beneficial Ownership Information Filing News
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8:36This bonus episode focuses on federal beneficial ownership information (BOI) reporting requirements. Executive Director and Vice President of the NFIB Small Business Legal Center Beth Milito and Vice President of NFIB Federal Government Relations Jeff Brabant explain the latest on this unconstitutional federal mandate, NFIB’s lawsuit to stop it, an…
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Ep. 56: Congressman Kevin Hern & Addressing Health Insurance Affordability for Small Businesses
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20:37NFIB member Marcie Strouse, U.S. Representative and NFIB member Kevin Hern, and NFIB’s Principal of Federal Government Relations Josselin Castillo discuss the health insurance affordability crisis for small business. Marcie sheds light on the challenges small business owners face offering health insurance to their employees, Rep. Hern provides info…
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Episode 27: California's Wildfires Ingnite an Even Greater Political Firestorm.
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37:12Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. California's wildfires are not just a force of nature; they're a battleground for misinformation and political agendas. Join us, the brothers Kabateck, as we unravel the tangled web of false narratives surrounding Governor Gavin Newsom during these crises …
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Ep. 55: From Capitol Hill Summit Event, Small Businesses Talk Taxes
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19:57While attending NFIB’s Small Business Deduction Summit, small business owners Tim Boeve, Derrick Roberts, James Tyson, and Angela Zuba discuss what the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction has enabled their businesses to do, and what would happen if Congress allows it to expire this year causing a massive tax hike. During the Summit, attendees met with…
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Ep. 54: New Report: Ways Small Businesses Give Back
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17:39A recent survey provided an in-depth look at the vital role small businesses play in their communities. NFIB member and small business owner Brian Funtleyder and NFIB Research Center Executive Director Holly Wade discuss ways small businesses contribute to their communities and NFIB’s recent survey findings. Hear the ways in which small businesses …
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Episode 26: Reflection and Projection With Former Senator Scott Wilk.
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40:50Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. Former state Senator Scott Wilk joins us on Kabatalks to provide a reflective and candid exit interview, if you will, sharing insights from his 12 years in the California State Legislature. With keen observations on the 2012 term limits change, Scott discu…
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Ep. 53: Beneficial Ownership Update - U.S. Rep. Warren Davidson, Ohio Small Business Owner
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13:23A federal small business registry deadline, known as beneficial ownership information reporting, was set to take effect on January 1, but an NFIB lawsuit against it has put that deadline on hold. NFIB member Michael Murray, U.S. Representative Warren Davidson, and the NFIB Small Business Legal Center’s Vice President and Executive Director Beth Mil…
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Ep. 52: 2025 Small Business Growth Policy Priorities
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8:35NFIB President Brad Close and Vice President of Federal Government Relations Jeff Brabant discuss NFIB members’ top small business policy priorities for the next two years with a new Congress and incoming Presidential Administration. They provide details on the current state of small business in America, legislative priorities, and expectations for…
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Ep. 51: NFIB Members' Paths to Elected Office
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25:16The path to pro-small business laws and regulation starts with electing candidates who support pro-small business policies. U.S. Representative-elect Mark Messmer (IN-08), and Missouri’s Governor-elect Mike Kehoe – both small business owners and NFIB members – join this episode to discuss why they decided to run for office, why it’s important to ha…
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Episode 25: Dan Schnur on Trump and the Political Dilemmas of Harris and Newsom.
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49:57Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. What if strategic risks could reshape the political future? In this episode of KabaTalks, we welcome Dan Schnur, a veteran political strategist, to unpack the dynamics of the latest presidential election. With Kamala Harris facing the challenge of a lifeti…
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Ep. 50: Small Business Electoral Wins & Legislative Outlook
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16:58Find out what the recent election results mean for small businesses from experts Tim Goodrich, NFIB’s Vice President of State Government Relations, and Sharon Sussin, NFIB’s Senior National Political Director. They discuss the impact when small business owners run for office and take on roles in state government, and they provide insight into ballo…
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Episode 24: California's Gubernatorial Outlook From the Left and the Right.
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35:15Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. Is California's political stage ready for a major shake-up? Join us, brothers Brian and John Kabateck, as we dissect the Golden State's gubernatorial race. With Brian leaning slightly left and John slightly right, we explore the landscape of potential cand…
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Episode 23: Brothers Kabateck Unpack the Election as Only Political Opposites Can.
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38:17Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. Can a Trump appointee really shake up the political landscape as Attorney General? Find out as we launch into a spirited discussion about some of his unexpected appointments and their potential ripple effects in the party. Join us, Brian and John Kabateck,…
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Ep. 49: Tips to Hire Qualified Employees in a Tight Labor Market
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21:47NFIB’s research shows a labor shortage continues to be an issue, with small business owners reporting little success filling their many job openings. NFIB members Jesus Arriola and Brandi Pine own small businesses in the staffing industry and discuss best practices and challenges in hiring. They highlight how they have diversified the ways they rec…
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Ep. 48: Tax Survey Results: Small Business Owners Voice Uncertainty & Concerns
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10:03NFIB Research Center Executive Director Holly Wade explains the findings of a new survey including what small businesses are saying about their biggest tax challenges, how tax policy impacts them, and how they would be affected by the loss of the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction. Also hear directly from several small business owners as they discuss…
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Ep. 47: Election Day 2024: Key Small Business Races to Watch
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14:15Political experts join the Small Business Rundown ahead of Election Day with the inside scoop on the races that matter most to small businesses. Hear from National Political Analyst Jim Ellis and NFIB Senior National Political Director Sharon Sussin about the key battleground races, surprise races that could decide the majority, and issues to keep …
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Episode 22: California Restaurant Association's Jot Condie Joins the Brothers Kabateck to Talk Election Impact on the Restaurant Industry.
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30:52Send us a text to let us know what you think of this episode. We would love to hear from you. Is the Republican Party facing a defining moment, or is this just another chapter in a long history of political evolution? Join the brothers Kabateck as they engage with Jot Condie, President and CEO of the California Restaurant Association, to explore th…
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Ep. 46: EY Analysis Reveals Magnitude of the 20% Small Business Deduction
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13:42A deep dive into a new report by EY explains the positive economic impact if Congress protects small businesses from a massive tax hike, and four small employers detail how the 20% Small Business Tax Deduction empowers their small businesses. Hear from Holly Wade, Executive Director of NFIB’s Research Center, Brandon Pizzola, a partner with the Qua…
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