We've been looking forward to covering Michigan. It's one of Kelsey's favorite places to travel, and, arguably, one of the most beautiful states in America. Yes, we're biased. Anyway, this week we're in the famed Traverse City to cover, you guessed it, Michigan's "most haunted location". Sometimes these things do surprise us and the claims deliver,…

This week we are at the sister location of one of our favorite investigations to date, the Crawfordsville Rotary Jail. Another rotary jail, this one being the only three story one ever built, this one is unique in its design and the inmates it held. It housed one of the most infamous murderers in the state. With five deaths inside its walls, and ex…

Welcome to another week of ghost stories with your favorite twins. This time we are in another state park, this time in Massachusetts, and some of the experiences these investigators had felt all too familiar to us. We've said it once and we'll say it again, sometimes the tangible things are scarier than the intangible. The ghosts we can handle, bu…

Well we haven't seen one of these in a while, and we're glad we could compile more of your own ghost stories to share with the world, or at least our listeners. We've got a few shorties, some that travel across multiple states, and some that may not just be tied to locations, but the people themselves. So listen up, cause you may hear your own stor…

We all know reality television is low key a nightmare as it is, but what if we took reality tv and made it, somehow, even worse? You get some of the most questionable shows we could find. It's hard to believe some of these concepts even got past the writing boards, but anything for entertainment we guess. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.co…

Another week, another haunt. This week we are in Atchison Kansas chasing down the ghost of a girl whose last thoughts were that of torture and abandonment. Her spirit still lingers to play with visitors, or in some cases, warn them of who else lurks in the home. It's probably gonna be a hot one today, so sweat through this with us as we live vicari…

Well, it seems we've found ourselves at another bar and brothel, but every time has a pretty good time, so why not do it again. The small saloon in Alaska has been around for over a hundred years, and given the nature of the business it's no surprise that there have been some spirits left behind along the way. So take a casual trip all the way over…

Well it feels like forever since we've been back, but Kelsey's back from vacation, so now we're here, and we hope we don't disappoint. We haven't talked ghosts in a while, and you can tell by the longer episode (sorry). We're dealing with another location that claims to be one of the most haunted in the US, possibly the world, and honestly, this is…

We're feeling at home this week back in the Midwest, this time in Duluth Minnesota. A ship, turned attraction, turned haunted house actually has some haunted history to it with an unfortunately gruesome death. Are the ships namesake, his wife, and poor William still hanging around today? Let's see what the investigators have to say. Donate monthly …

How could a state have two state capitols? Well, Louisiana does, and wouldn't you know it they both have seriously dark pasts and potential paranormal activity. One part ghosts, one part history lessons, these locations have a little something for everyone. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/orsotheysaypod Or a once off here: https://www.…

We finally did it everyone, our first episode in our new studio! There's still some work to be done, but we hope eventfully all of it will come together soon. But for now, we find ourselves at the Brookdale Lodge in Brookdale California. This one honestly ends up a little bit somber, so that stinks, but it's still a pretty good location, and a good…

Well, we sure did travel for this months location, but sometimes some legends are better left to the imagination, right?.. Well, lore may say that Linden has one of the spookier sounding paranormal hot spots that we've seen on paper, but turns out lore is sometimes no more than that. But our fruitless efforts took us on a trip to discuss these lege…

This week we're taking you all to Monticello, Arkansas to investigate a house with a pretty sad backstory. The Allen family couldn't seem to catch a break, and as each family member passed it seemed that their spirits always seemed to end up back at home. But one of the saddest stories also holds one of the most active spirits; the spirit of LaDell…

Given the finnicky weather we've been having in the Midwest lately, we're glad to be living vicariously through our location today, Honolulu, Hawaii. According to our studies, if you ask the locals, it seems like everywhere you turn there is another haunted location, but we found one that brings it back to our roots of local lore and legend. Storie…

Honestly, we were a little worried about New Mexico delivering a good old fashioned haunted location, but of course they delivered. We always love a good haunted hotel, but the good news and bad news of this one is one of the rooms of the hotel is so haunted, they have prohibited access to it from guests. Even going as far as to padlock the room. S…

This month our travels brought us a little closer to home as we investigated the (fairly) newly opened location of the Historic Stark Saloon in Rosedale, Indiana. We'd be lying if we said we didn't initially leave this place feeling a bit skeptical, but upon further review and reflection, it seems there may be more here than we initially realized. …

We always love when a tangent rolls along, then we have a dedicated time and space to actually go off topic, but still stay on topic, you know? Anyway, when we're not recording this podcast we fill our time with other fixations, and sometimes you're just so immersed in those fixations that you need to tell the world know about them. Sometimes you e…

Who knew Idaho could have some unbelievably spooky places? And we mean unbelievable. Some of the evidence people have found here is almost too good to be true, so then, is it really true? The history was shrouded in mystery on this one, but from what we could find, we'd say this place has a right to be haunted. Donate monthly here: https://www.patr…

Well, Florida is un/fortunately a treasure trove of interesting things and happenings, and cults really shouldn't have surprised us. Koreshan Unity had a seemingly quick rise and fall in believers. It may have had something to do with the fact that they believed in reincarnation, but when their founder died he wasn't, you know, reincarnated. Whoops…

They say the older the building the more haunted it's likely to be, and with a nearly 200 year old building in a 250 year old town we'd say this is a pretty good place to look. Not only does this museum have a few deaths under it's belt, but each room is filled with long forgotten articles of clothing, furniture, military and medical equipment, and…

Holy cow, it's finally happened. After a long dry spell we have finally investigated a location ourselves! This location came to us from a friend of a friend, and we're glad it happened, because this place was a lot. Not knowing initially what to expect this ended up being much bigger and much more daunting than we had prepared for. And that's just…

Sanitorium? Sanitarium? Is there really a difference? Well, that depends on who you ask (of course..) Either way, that's where we are, this time in North Dakota! Sometimes lovingly referred to as the sanitorium of DEATH, this hospital is barely a shell of its formal self, actually recently being condemned due to its unsafe conditions. But those tha…

New York City is anything but small town America, but we can never resist a good historical background. This building has been around for over 200 years, and has housed one of Americas most notable, and arguably infamous politicians in history. But his temper may have followed him into the afterlife, along with the presence of around 20 other spiri…

Our first visit in 2024 is to Washington state, and of course the first city that comes to mind would be Govan, right? Don't worry, we hadn't heard of it either, and actually no one has for probably 40+ years. This town is essentially abandoned (aside from a married couple, and a mysterious third resident..). But what has stuck around are the ghost…

Maybe they're a little cheesy, but we've decided to hold ourselves accountable and fill you guys in on our new years resolutions this year. This podcast has given us so much in the last 3 years, and we want to make sure we're still giving you the content you deserve. So let's just relax with a little lighthearted look into the future, and here's ho…

So, Portland, OR may not be "small town America", but sometimes a haunt is just too god to pass up, and with claims like most haunted place on earth, how could we say no? So down we go, to the Shanghai Tunnels beneath Chinatown in Portland, where they had a little bit of everything. Gambling, drinking, prostitution rings, and kidnapping for enslave…

Happy holidays, everyone! It's just a few days before Christmas, and nothing says Christmas like talking true crime apparently. We'll cover some lighthearted ones, some dark ones, but all of them revolve around this wonderful time of year. (just a heads up though, some of them do get surprisingly dark) Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/o…

Well, it seems our (virtual) travels have brought us to the wonderful state of Nebraska this week. We really went with small town America on this one and have found one of the states most haunted locations in Valentine, Centennial Hall Museum. This building stood as a high school first, and that is where our haunted tale begins. And the source of t…

Like the last three Decembers, Kelsey and Madi traveled down to Madison Indiana. And like the last three Decembers, more spooky things fell into their laps. A trip to a local diner led us down another rabbit hole of haunted locations in historic Madison. It seems every time we start to search this location more and more ghosts appear. So, where are…

Welcome to another fifth Thursday with your favorite spooky twins! We have so many everyday phrases and idioms that we constantly use, but do we know why we say them, or where they come from? Well, you're about to find out. Some phrases lie in a lot darker history than expected, some are pretty light hearted, but we think they're all interesting, a…

Happy Thanksgiving, spooky crew! We’re glad you’ve decided to join us on a little getaway from family/friend shenanigans. This week we are perusing the east coast for legends of Thanksgiving ghosts, and New York and Pennsylvania did not leave us disappointed. Both involving railroads, one with an annual appearance, and one, if proven true, the larg…

Welcome to another rousing episode of Or So They Say, where this week we take you to our neighbors to the WEST (not the east, Kelsey), Illinois! This is actually a location we have considered investigating in the past, but now it's a little questionable if that's even an option? Who knows, but the Joliet Prison actually packed some pretty spooky pu…

Yes, this is actually the name of the place. There's even a skinwalker ranch right next to it! So why did it get that name? Well, obviously because of all of the skinwalkers that creep around there at night. Rooted in Native American legend, these skinwalkers have been cursed to be here, and if you ask some people, they're definitely still hanging …

We're back with a crossover for you guys! The retro club has joined us to discuss spooky movies we watched over the month, and our thoughts. This is a pretty relaxed episode, so enjoy! Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/orsotheysaypod Or a once off here: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=T22PHA8NAUTPN And don't forget to swi…

Don't worry y'all, we're still alive, and after some much needed vacation and honeymoon time we're back! With all of the events of the past couple weeks bogging us down we decided to come back with an easy and entertaining one. Today we're discussing Halloween traditions; how did they start, where did they come from, and why do we still practice th…

Well, happy Thursday? With an episode like this, we're not really sure, but let's try to make the best of it shall we? Life is a bit hectic at the moment, so this isn't actually a place we visited, but honestly we're not even a little mad about it. Is it haunted? Maybe not, but is it spooky for literally every wrong reason? Absolutely. There is a t…

Whelp, better late than never. We didn't want to leave you hanging on the last state in our US alphabetical tour! So we brought you this gem from Buffalo, WY. A surprise and delight if we do say so ourselves. We've got all sorts of ghosts here with lots of back stories, and somehow in the midst of all the spookiness we still found something to be e…

Another week another ghost, or how about a whole group of them? This school house turned haunted house turned out to be truly haunted after all, and we're gonna talk about it. They all seem pretty harmless, except for that janitor. Nobody likes a creepy janitor. Especially one that lives in the basement. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com…

You read that right. We're taking a slight detour from our usual spooky ghosts to discuss a different kind of supernatural: Mothman. Why does he hang out in West Virginia? What drew him there? Is he still there or does he travel the world scaring folks and wreaking havoc? And possibly the most pressing question; is he truly one of our generations g…

Shades of Death; a pretty ominous name, you might say. Well, it didn't just get that name for fun. This park actually has a long history, some blips of it including bullying, hazing, and even multiple murders. So while you're camping in the park and sitting around the fire, just remember that the ghosts you're talking about in your stories may actu…

Well it feels like it's been forever since we last spoke, and honestly, it kind of has been. The internet gods have not been on our side, but we are back, and with another one of our favorite segments: our twin tangent! This time we are discussing something near and dear to our hearts. Twins; who could've guessed? We've got the history of twins twi…

Honestly, every part of this title sounds like a good time to us. But you know what else sounds good? Ghosts, and this location has those too; what luck! The YouTube account The Ghost Riders was kind enough to do the dirty work for us, and already had an investigation ready to watch. So let's talk about what they found, and who knows, maybe we'll m…

Williamsburg; one of our nations first cities. Established in the 17th century, and with deaths dating back long before then it's no wonder there would be some ghostly activity here. This home has seen some of the cities deaths first hand, some of them seemingly inexplicable. So there's no question if this house is haunted. Honestly, how often do y…

Who would've thought that the covered bridge capital of the world, small town Rockville, IN would be so full of ghosts? I'm sure they didn't, but here we are again in the piece-work village that is Billie Creek. This is actually a location we have visited a couple times in the past year, I guess we just couldn't get enough. So let's hear why this h…

Now we're moving on to the scenic state of Vermont. Not only is the state itself beautiful, but it's another covered bridge? The only thing this location is missing now is the fall foliage. But you know what it's not missing? Ghosts, and we've got one for you with a past in question, but the aftermath is still the same. The worst part is, she's app…

Another week, another state, another babbling of the minds of Meghan and Kelsey. This time segway-ing our way through Santaquin, Utah. Although this restaurant is no longer in service, the ghosts are still hard at work here. So join us as we hear what these DOZENS of ghosts have to say. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/orsotheysaypod Or…

It's been far too long since our last visited location, and this one was well worth the wait. We had so much time to investigate this house we almost didn't know what to do with all of it. Almost. We took full advantage of the situation and threw everything we had at it in hopes of catching something good, and we think we may have done just that. S…

It always feels like forever between tangents, and we've been impatiently waiting for this one. This time we're covering a couple different topics to give you a little taste of .. new patreon content! That's right, it's been too long since we've given you the extras you deserve, and we hope this can make up for lost time. We've got true crime, we'v…

Welcome back, on this fine .. Friday morning? Yes, due to some technical difficulties we're a day late, but better late than never, right? And honestly, we think this one was worth the wait. We might have had our doubts when picking the location, but this one left both of us a little somber, and rethinking some preconceived notions. We think we cou…

Welcome back to another riveting episode filled with ghosts, haunted houses, and even scarier ramblings-on. This one was suprisingly packed, so get comfy, and listen to us tell you the stories of, possibly genuinely, one of America's oldest and most haunted locations. Donate monthly here: https://www.patreon.com/orsotheysaypod Or a once off here: h…