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Welcome to our podcast! My name is Richard Ostler (twitter: twitter.com/Papa_Ostler; FB: facebook.com/richard.ostler.5; IG: instagram.com/papa_ostler/) and am a native of Salt Lake City. I am the author of "Listen Learn and Love: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints at Amazon (amazon.com/dp/1462135773) and Deseret Book (deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints) I am the author of two recent Ensign articles on ‘How the Savior’s Healing Power Applies to Repenting ...
 
Are you a Latter-day Saint or Christian in general who’s tired of your beliefs being demonized? Here at Sit Down with Sky, our main concern is the preaching and practicing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as outlined by His Church, The Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints. Our goal is to approach common, controversial topics such as LGBTQ issues, sex and intimacy, and church history in a tactful, loving, but firm way.
 
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Allison Dayton and Jenie Hunter

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Two friends, each with a gay son, Allison Dayton and Jenie Rae Hunter, are faithful members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who feel raising their LGBTQ children is a calling to be embraced not feared. Jenie and Allison bring you into the conversation as they address the most current topics, suggest solutions and breakdown some seriously unhelpful thinking. Allison shares thoughts and tips on managing your faith and your LGBTQ family on liftandlove.org and @liftandloveorg ...
 
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My friend Joseph Stith (active LDS, Convert, Former Marine, RM from Houston, Former President of Northstar, early 60s) shares his story as a gay Latter-day Saint. Joseph talks about his healing journey with his Savior that first started with a desire to change his sexual orientation and later changed to accepting his sexual orientation. Joseph shar…
 
My friends Joey Sheppard and Dr. Sarah Coyne talk about their new research project to better understand how church culture impacts LGBTQ Latter-day Saints. Their qualitative research (interviews) is open for new participants who are 1) 18 and older; 2)LGBTQ+; 3) Current or former Latter-day Saints. The goal of the research (supported by BYU) is to …
 
Allison and Jenie introduce Part 3 of the declaration of Divinity - Eternal Families. They share how they viewed their eternal family once their son's came out. They also share ideas on how to connect your child to their spirituality if they decide to leave to the church. It is a powerful episode on examining how you view your family and how that e…
 
My friend Spencer Cottle joins us to share his story as a gay Latter-day Saint. Spencer, who grew up in Williamsburg Virginia, talks about coming out in 2018 to his bishop and parents (good experience) prior to his successful mission to Madagascar. Once home from his mission, Spencer talks about needing to face and address the realities of figuring…
 
My friends Scott and Molly Hixson (married for 28 years, parents of five children, and one grandchild) join us to share their story. About 15 years ago, Scott came out to Molly with his same-sex attraction. Scott and Molly talk about the things they did during the last 15 years to keep their marriage together. The effort significantly accelerated o…
 
Jenie and Allison talk with two of the coolest LGBTQ moms, Lisa Clark Valentine and Hailey Smith. Both of these ladies are extremely talented and has made our world a better place with their talents. Lisa Clark is an actress and producer, known for Show Offs (2019), Pretty Darn Funny(2012) and Once I Was a Beehive (2015). Hailey Smith is an actress…
 
My friend Spencer Thompson joins us to talk about his insightful recent Liahona Article which talks about his journey from shame to joy.Here is a link to the article:https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2021/10/digital-only/same-sex-attraction-and-my-journey-from-shame-to-joy?lang=eng) Spencer, a married father of four, has some of the…
 
My friends Patrick Mason and David Pulsipher join us to talk about their new book called Proclaim Peace: The Restoration's Answer to an Age of Conflict that is co-published with the Maxwell Institute's Living Faith series and Deseret Book. Here is a description of the book: Proclaim Peace is an extended meditation on what it means to follow the Pri…
 
My friend Tim Wright (RM from Spain, Age 29, Utah State Graduate) shares his story as a gay Latter-day Saints. Tim, who grew up in Morgan Utah, shares what led him to come out in May of 2021 and why coming out significantly improved his relationship with his Heavenly Father and his family. Tim, who is active in his LDS Ward, shares why he feels so …
 
Why is it so easy to sell your salvation for such inconsequential things? Sky and Preston discuss their favorite insights from October 2021 General Conference and major themes they noticed. Chief among them was the parallel from the Biblical story of Esau giving up his birthright for a "mess of pottage". Consider sharing this episode or following u…
 
My friend Cheryl Hill shares her remarkable journey to be rebaptized into the Church in 2017 after nearly 30 years out of the Church. Cheryl talks about her relationship with Jesus which led her back into the Church in Georgia through many miraculous experience and incredible Church members. Cheryl is joined by her therapist, Jennifer Kuck, from Ge…
 
Because of our petitioning the Lord we have been taught some beautiful truths about our LGBTQ children. This is the second part of the series - "Declaration of their Divinity", a six part podcast series, talking about the truths that we and hundreds of mom's have learned and shared in this sacred calling. In this episode Allison and Jenie talk with…
 
My friend Chad Cannon (married father of four, active LDS, age 45) join us from near Idaho Falls to share his story. Chad talks about his 30 year journey with pornography use and how the 12-step addiction recovery program (focused on the Savior) was is path to hope and healing. Chad also shares insights into being the father of two LGBTQ children a…
 
My friend Jason Conforto, producer at Avalanche Studios, talks about why he and director, Dave Lindsay, decided to produce the documentary film Dog Valley, about the brutal murder of Gordon Church in Millard County, Utah in 1988. Jason shares the role his friend, Chad Anderson, played in researching and bringing this story to Avalanche Studios and …
 
Preston and Sky have heard many times that they aren't being their "authentic" selves, because they are gay and in relationships with women. What does our culture classify as "authentic", and should we prioritize, even at the expense of repenting? We discuss our experience finding our truly authentic selves through repentance and faith in Jesus Chr…
 
My friend Brenna Hoffman (married mother of new baby boy) shares her story of not belonging and never fully feeling accepted in Latter-day Saint culture. This feeling along with a negative experience in the temple and life-long questions led Brenna to conclude that her path was to leave the Church. Brenna shares her story, and talks about support f…
 
My friend Becky Edwards joins us to talk about her run for U.S. Senate. Becky, who served 10 years in the Utah House of Representatives, talks about why she is running, past legislative successes, the importance of listening, and principles to bring us together. Becky also talks about the story of her yellow couch—now a key element of her campaign.…
 
My friend Dylan Stegall (Age 23, Texan, RM for Chile Santiago East) shares his journey as gay Latter-day Saint. Dylan talks about being aware of this part about him before his mission but staying really busy/productive and kind of pushing it down. Dylan talks about his successful and enjoyable mission. Dylan talks about trying to date woman at BYU-…
 
My friends Garrett and Sallie Ferguson, married parents of 4 kids, join us from the Dallas area to share their story. They first shared in 2013 as part of the Voices of Hope project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s36K2ilFsnY. They give us an update on their lives since 2013 and what they are doing to bring more understanding to LGBTQ/SSA Latter-da…
 
My friend Jakob Schramm (Age 23, RM from the Mexico Monterrey West Mission, Mechanical Engineering at University of Utah and Utah Valley University) shares his journey as a gay Latter-day Saint. Jakob talks the journey to understand and accept this part of himself and then the thoughtful and methodical process to figure out his best path forward. J…
 
All mother's love and worry about their children. But mother's of LGBTQ children spend a lot of time pleading with our Heavenly Parents and our Savior asking them to teach us about our LGBTQ children. Who are they? What is their purpose? Because of our petitioning the Lord we have been taught some beautiful truths about our LGBTQ children. This is …
 
My friend Jamison Manwaring (RM from Eastern Canada, Business Owner, Age 40) shares his journey as a gay Latter-day Saint. Jamison talks about his efforts to make deals with God to not be gay during his closeted years growing up in Idaho Falls and coming out to his Mission President who listened without judgement. Jamison talks about difficult and …
 
My friend Ed Axley (married father of four, business owner, RM from Costa Rica) share the unique aspects of our restored doctrine that led to his baptism into the Church at age 18. Ed also shares four insightful ways to respond when people open with their life situations. Ed concludes with helping each of us see ourselves as beloved children of Hea…
 
Would God ever give you personal revelation that goes contrary to His commandments? We certainly don't think so. Like many of you, we've noticed the rise of the "live your truth" crowd within the church who pushes the idea of a subjective, buffet-style approach to living the gospel. We're here to fight against that perversion of truth and advocate …
 
My friend Andrea Lystrup is a licensed marriage and family therapist joining us to share insights on several important topics including 1) creating Zion within our Church; 2) tools to better love each other; 3) how to balance the tension between law and love; 4) working through pain when something said at Church is hurtful; 5) how to get through tr…
 
This episode we talk with Michelle and Carey, two mom's who felt prompted to create a safe place for our LGBTQ allies and members. The tell us how they started the group and what has happened since, the lessons they have learned and how participating in this group has changed them. If you have ever wondered what you could do to create safer places …
 
My friend Marcus Hayden, age 19 and preparing for a mission, shares his story as a gay Latter-day Saint. Marcus starts with the excellent talk he gave in his BYU YSA Ward this summer based on Elder Gong’s talk “Room in the Inn” (https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2021/04/16gong?lang=eng). Marcus does a great job of taking …
 
My friend Liv Mendoza Haynes, who spoke with the Relief Society General Presidency at BYU Women’s Conference, shares her story. Liv (who is a convert, RM, Lawyer, Young Woman’s President and expectant mother), shares her journey which included coming out as queer church-wide at Women’s Conference in April 2021 as part of the Relief Society goal to …
 
My friend Colette Dalton (Masters of Social Work from BYU, worked for the Church, now therapist at Symmentry Solutions) share her journey as a gay/queer Latter-day Saints. Colette shares her journey to understand her sexual orientation, navigating being queer and a Church employee and her work as a therapist. If you are a queer women or parent of a…
 
Richard ‘Papa' Ostler is the host of the Listen, Learn and Love podcast (https://listenlearnandlove.org/podcasts) which provides a platform for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints to share their stories. The podcast library, which contains over 400 stories from those working through complicated issues (repentance, early-release missionaries, emotional illness,…
 
My friend Kendall Harward (Ghana, West Africa RM) bravely shares his story. Kendall talks about life before his mission pushing down this aspect of his essence, talking to his Bishop, and going on his mission believing feelings of being gay was a phase that ended. Kendall bravely talks about realizing being gay was still part of him during his miss…
 
Show description: In this episode, we talk with Trevan Hatch and Leonard Greenspoon, co-editors of The Learning of the Jews: What Latter-day Saints Can Learn from Jewish Religious Experience. We discuss how this project emerged, some of the voices and topics discussed, and how this anthology makes a unique contribution to Latter-day Saint and Jewis…
 
My friend Stuart Barrett (RM from Nebraska, age 26) bravely shared his experience being disfellowshipped in a Facebook post (see https://www.facebook.com/1344601875/posts/10225731849786709/) and returned to full Church activity. Stuart talks about why he is open about this chapter of his life, why he is a better person for going through the process…
 
My friend Devan Jensen, president of the Latter-day Saint Publishing and Media Association (ldspma.org), joins us to introduce the organization and invite listeners to their upcoming conference at BYU October 7-9, 2021. The association is for Latter-day Saints in publishing or media or independently sharing content through blogs, podcasts, or socia…
 
In Episode 22 we talked about how we stay in the church as an LDS LGBTQ family. When your child comes out, it can feel like you are a new path to the Savior and it can sometimes feel like a lonely path. In order, to thrive on this new path you need a survival pack. In this episode we are going to teach you 3 tools that will help you not just surviv…
 
In this solo episode following the events at BYU on August 23rd, I share thoughts for my LGBTQ Latter-day Saints friends, thoughts about my friend Matt Easton, thoughts for fellow Latter-day Saints who are LGBTQ allies, thoughts for local leaders wanting to talk about supporting LGBTQ Latter-day Saints in their local areas, and insights for those i…
 
My friend Mindi Holmgren and Justin Holmgren join us to share about the sudden death of their husband/brother at age 35. Corey, who drowned in the community swimming pool on January 19th 2019, was a Military Chaplain and LMFT working at Lifestar in Murray, Utah who helped hundreds during his lifetime. Mindi and Corey are the parents of four—with th…
 
Sky and Preston address what has been on everyone's mind: Elder Holland's talk at BYU's Leadership Conference and the reaction to it. Preston shares his personal interactions with Elder Holland, and we discuss more broadly what the overreaction to his message means for our culture and church. The talk Preston was mentioned in: https://www.churchofj…
 
My friend Ryan Anderson (LDS married father of 4, Ph.D. in Medical Family Therapy from East Carolina University) talks about helping those in abusive relationships and also tools to help local Church leaders better meet the needs of those who bravely open up about being victims of abuse. Ryan offers this free webinar https://academy.cedarfort.com/c…
 
My friend @noah7hanson on IG shares his journey as a gay Latter-day Saint. Noah talks about life in High School, and his successful mission (came out to Heavenly Father at the end of his mission). Noah also talks about dating women, getting engaged, and then receiving strong personal revelation to end that engagement and come out to his now ex-fian…
 
Richard Ostler (known broadly as "Papa Ostler" on social media) sits down with Sky to discuss his approach to help LGBTQ members of the church. They discuss their disagreements, their common ground, and criticism Richard has received from both sides of the debate. If you think this episode will resonate with someone you know, please consider sharin…
 
My friend Kim Siever zooms us from Lethbridge, Alberta, to share his story. Kim, who is Canadian, served a mission in Utah and is now an independent journalist. He tells us his lifelong journey to understand his sexual orientation after being convinced for over 40 years that he was straight. He also shares how the Spirt helped him understand this p…
 
Sky and Preston tackle the age-old question: "Why are young people rejecting traditional religion and finding other 'religions' in media and pop culture?" They also discuss how we can help these young people in a positive, productive, and non-judgmental way. If you think this episode will resonate with someone you know, please consider sharing it w…
 
My friends Truman (Toronto Canada RM, JD from Harvard Law School) and Brae (New Mexico RM, MHR/MBA from Utah State) join us to share their story as gay Latter-day Saints.Brae and Truman talk about growing up knowing they were gay, serving missions, coming out and eventually starting to date men. Truman talks about having his church membership withd…
 
My friend Geoffrey Pears (Masters in Accounting from BYU, RM from the Philippines) joins us to share the talk he gave in his YSA Ward in Houston about his journey as a gay Latter-day Saint. It is a deeply moving, honest and vulnerable talk. Geoffrey does a great job taking us into the life of a gay member of the Church. I am glad that his Bishop an…
 
Parenting can often feel lonely and defeating and it feels similar as being lost in the wilderness. In this episode Jenie ad Allison breakdown the story in Nephi 16 and gain some great wisdom on how to handle your personal "bow-breaking" moments as an LGBTQ family. You will learn how much your Heavenly Father loves you and your family and the steps…
 
My friend Jordan Jackson (who shared his story in episode 246) joins us to talk about his new LGBTQ resource guide, LGBTQUT.com. Jordan talks about how the guide helps connect LGBTQ individuals, parents with LGBTQ children, and allies to resources in Utah—something Jordan wishes he had 4 years ago when we came out. Please listen to this podcast and…
 
Katie Whitehead is a BYU pre-law student, active LDS member, politically liberal, and Skyler's sister-in-law. She sits down with Skyler--a gay, conservative LDS member--to discuss how they've been able to maintain a good relationship while disagreeing so fundamentally on political issues. They discuss their disagreements in politics, specifically t…
 
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