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Scratching the Surface is a podcast about design, theory, and creative practice. Hosted by Jarrett Fuller, each episode features wide-ranging conversations with designers, architects, writers, academics, artists, and theorists about how design shapes culture. Previous guests include architecture critic Paul Goldberger, MoMA design curator Paola Antonelli, architect and OMA partner Reinier de Graaf, Pentagram partner Michael Bierut, RISD President Rosanne Somerson, writer Kurt Andersen, and d ...
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Materials are all around us, but what happens when they get turned into art and design? In this podcast, students at the Rhode Island School of Design explore some of the mediums, elements, and substances that are used by artists and designers in their work. From conventional artworks on ink and paper to more unexpected ones that involve scent and silence, MADE WITH takes you on a journey into and beyond the studio, one material at a time. You’ll learn about the history and properties of the ...
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Conversations with artists about how becoming a parent transforms their life and work. From loss to creative reinvention, their stories reveal the complex and unique transformation career artists go through in parenthood. Hosted by Jess Wainer, RISD alumni, glass artist and lighting designer, turned solo parent and late-night storyteller.
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Current Conversations with our community and their connections to the river. Hosted by Natali Zollinger. Our mission is to "Give the River a Voice." We hope you enjoy.
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Christoph Lindner is the President and Vice-Chancellor of the Royal College of Art. An interdisciplinary scholar of cities and visual culture, he’s authored or edited over fifteen books across art, architecture, media, cultural studies, and urban geography. Prior to this role at the RCA, he served as Dean of the Bartlett Faculty of the Built Enviro…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired April 13, 2022.—Robert A.M. Stern is an architect, teacher, and writer. He is the founder of Robert A.M. Stern Architects, served as dean of the Yale School of Architecture from 1998 to 2016, hosted the …
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired October 13, 2021.—Esther Choi is a multidisciplinary artist and architectural historian. In 2019, she published Le Corbuffet, a Fluxus-inspired artist's book that adopts the form of a cookbook and in 202…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired March 16, 2022.—Chris Rudd is a designer, community organizer, and youth worker. He’s currently a professor of community-driven design at IIT Institute of Design and founder of ChiByDesign, a black-owned…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired October 28, 2020.—Alicia Cheng is a founding partner of the New York design studio MGMT and the author of the book This Is What Democracy Looked Like: A Visual History of the Printed Ballot. She previous…
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Olivia Chen is an illustrator, painter and art educator in the Bay Area. She shares her long path back to her own art making practice as she raises her two children. In this conversation we examine how studios function as symbolic and literal foundations for one’s art-making practice. Olivia started and runs Liv & Chiu art studio, a youth art educa…
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Shana Siegel is a scenic artist for film, TV and theater in New York City, and an illustrator. She shares how the physicality of her work, paired with the logistics of her field created a unique experience for her as a parent artist. In this conversation she dives into the creative strategies she’s employed to make it all work.…
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Kitty Clark is a documentary photographer based out of the UK. She explores intimate and vulnerable aspects of motherhood through her lens. In this candid conversation she opens up about her own experience from pregnancy into parenthood. Her words, and the images she creates, embody a similar quality of humility and heartfelt storytelling.…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired December 21, 2022.—James Bridle is a writer, artist, and technologist. They are the author, most recently, of Ways of Being as well as New Dark Age. They've exhibited art in galleries and institutions ar…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired December 22, 2021.—Lorraine Wild is a designer who teaches and writes. A graduate of Cranbrook Academy of Art and Yale School of Art, Lorraine runs Green Dragon Office in Los Angeles and is on the facult…
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We're taking the summer off and will be republishing some of our favorite episodes from the archives through August. This episode originally aired October 14, 2020.—Kyle Chayka writes about art, technology, design, and the systems that shape culture. His first book, The Longing for Less, is a cultural history of minimalism that looks at minimalist …
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Leonard Koren is a writer, aesthetics expert, artist, and publisher. He’s the author of books like Wabi-Sabi for Artists, Designers, Poets & Philosophers, What Artists Do, Arranging Things: A Rhetoric of Object Placement, Musings of a Curious Aesthete, and most recently On Creating Things Aesthetic. From 1976 to 1981, he was the editor and publishe…
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Ingrid Schroder is the director of the Architectural Association School of Architecture in London. She was previously Head of Design Teaching and Director of the MPhil in Architecture and Urban Design at the University of Cambridge Department of Architecture. In this conversation, Jarrett and Ingrid talk about the legacy and future of the AA, the c…
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Cynthia Davidson is the cofounder and executive director of Anyone Corporation, a nonprofit architecture think tank. She is the editor of the architecture journal Log, and previously ANY magazine, an architecture theory tabloid that published from 1993-2000. She is also responsible for more than 40 books in print, including 24 books in the Anyone p…
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Jacob R. Moore was named the executive director of The Architectural League of New York in June 2023. He previously served as associate director of the Temple Hoyne Buell Center for the Study of American Architecture at Columbia University. He’s worked as a writer, editor, curator, and publisher and helped co-found The Avery Review. In this convers…
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José Esparza Chong Cuy is the executive director and chief curator of Storefront for Art and Architecture, a New York-based institution that amplifies the understanding of the built environment through artistic practice. Before Storefront, José was an associate curator at the Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago and an associate curator at the Museo …
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Kathleen and Christopher Sleboda run Draw Down Books, a publishing project and bookshop focused on graphic design, typography, and printed matter. They also work as graphic designers for clients and teach at Boston University, RISD, and the University of Connecticut. Previously, Christopher was Director of Graphic Design at the Yale University Art …
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Aaron Betsky is a critic, curator, and administrator. Until 2022, he was the director of Virginia Tech’s School of Architecture and Design. He previous was the president and dean of the School of Architecture at Taliesin, the director of the Cincinnati Art Museum, director of the Netherlands Architecture Institute, and a curator at the San Francisc…
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Alison Place is a designer, educator, and researcher whose work explores the intersection of design and feminist theory. She is the editor of Feminist Designer: On the Personal and the Political in Design and teaches graphic design in the School of Art at the University of Arkansas, where she serves as director of the graphic design program. In thi…
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Michael Cina is a graphic designer, creative director, typographer, and artist. Since 2010, he’s run Cina Associates where he’s worked on projects for clients like Disney, Adobe, and Coca-Cola, as well as his long-running collaboration with Ghostly International. He previously co-founded YouWorkForThem, a designer-run online shop for typefaces, sto…
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Freek Lomme is a publisher, editor, curator, and writer. He is the founder of Set Margins’, a support structure, a platform for production, a network and publisher focused on impulses from the margins with a focus on communication, cooperation, and involved politics. Previously, Freek was the co-founder and director of Onomatopee, an art and design…
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Nicholas de Monchaux is an architect, designer, and author. He is currently Professor and Head of Architecture at MIT. He is the author of Spacesuit: Fashioning Apollo and Local Code: 3,659 Proposals about Data, Design, and the Nature of Cities. Until 2020, he was Professor of Architecture and Urban Design and Chair in New Media at UC Berkeley. In …
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Helen Molesworth is a writer, critic, and curator. Her new book, Open Questions: Thirty Years of Writing About Art, collects her writing on art and artists from exhibition catalogs and art publications. From 2014 to 2018, she was the chief curator at The Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles and previously served as curator at ICA Boston, the B…
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Kelly Rathbone Rebo is an extraordinarily talented ceramic sculptor and painter. As a mother of three, she shares her fascinating life story that weaves together different chapters of her art career with phases of parenthood. An adaptive global traveler, she presents a view of being an artist parent that includes travel, adventure and dynamic creat…
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Liz Maher is a painter, sculptor and improvisational quilter. In addition to being an accomplished artist she works as an Art Therapist. In this conversation we dive into the challenges of time management, work family balance, and the struggle to find enough time and emotional space to dive deeply into creative work. Always inspiring, Liz shares ab…
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Meryl Pataky is a renowned mixed media sculptor who focuses on neon and is based in the Bay Area. In this conversation we discuss how becoming a parent has infused the subject matter, process and materials she uses. Meryl’s work encapsulates the complexity of motherhood through exploring themes of time, labor, and physical transformation.…
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Adrian Lahoud is an architect, urban designer, researcher, and the dean of the School of Architecture at the Royal College of Art. Previously he was director of the MA program at the Centre for Research Architecture at Goldsmiths and a research fellow at Forensic Architecture. In this conversation, Jarrett and Adrian talk about the intersection of …
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Stephen Eskilson is professor of art and design history at Eastern Illinois University and the author of the new book Digital Design: A History, a history of digital design from the nineteenth century to today. He previously wrote Graphic Design: A New History, which is now in its third edition. In this conversation, Stephen and Jarrett talk about …
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Erin Pellegrino and Jake Rudin are the founders of Out of Architecture, a career consulting firm and resource network, where they are exploring the value of architectural skills both in and out of the profession. Through career consulting, career tools, and their recent book, Erin and Jake help architects leave architecture. In this conversation, w…
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Deb Chachra is a professor at Olin College of Engineering and the author of the new book, How Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems That Shape Our World. In this conversation, Jarrett and Deb talk about why we don't want to think about infrastructure and how it encourages and discourages particular ways of living, overlap of design and engineeri…
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René Boer is a critic, curator, and organizer in and beyond the fields of architecture, design, heritage, and the arts. His new book, Smooth City, focuses on the obsession with perfection in cities around the world. He is the co-founder of Loom, a practice for cultural transformation, and is one of the driving forces behind Failed Architecture. In …
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Florencia Rodriguez is an editor, writer, and educator. In 2022, she was appointed director of the School of Architecture at the University of Illinois at Chicago. From 2010 to 2017, she published PLOT, and since 2017, co-founded NESS, a publishing platform for alternative forms of design criticism. In this conversation, Jarrett and Florencia talk …
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Llisa Demetrios is the chief curator of the Eames Institute of Infinite Curiosity and the youngest granddaughter of Ray and Charles Eames. Situated on a ranch in Petaluma, CA, the Eames Institute is more than just a collection of the designer-duo's work but rather seeks to bring the lessons from their approach to tackle the problems of today. In th…
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This episode originally aired September 30, 2020.Annelys de Vet is a Belgium-based designer, educator and researcher. From 2009 to 2019, she was the the director of the design program at the Sandberg Instituut and is the editor of Design Dedication a new book collecting the work and thinking during her tenure. Now she’s leading a new masters progra…
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The final episode of “Made With” looks at the removal of any material at all: the use of silence in art. How does one talk about silence? How do we see and hear it? This episode approaches silence in an infertile, uncentered, uneven, dissociate, and unreasonable manner. It focuses on the work of Giorgio de Chirico, Doris Salcedo, and Cao Fei, and f…
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This episode originally aired on February 24, 2021.Ashley Mendelsohn is an architecture curator, educator, and multidisciplinary designer focused on engaging and strengthening communities by demystifying the barriers to access and understanding. From 2015 to 2020, she was the Assistant Curator of Architecture and Digital Initiatives at the Guggenhe…
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The pixel is ubiquitous but, arguably, immaterial. Or is it? This episode looks at digital art and asks the question of how it might be considered a medium in its own right in the age of AI and ChatGPT. It features an interview with Griffin Smith, a RISD critic affiliated with the Computation, Technology, and Culture concentration, as well as an ex…
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Can you smell a work of art? This episode looks at the long and complex history of scent and smell in art. We consider the use of air and olfactory materials in Marcel Duchamp’s work, as well as a range of contemporary practices. The episode concludes with an interview with Victor Rivera-Díaz, a graduate of RISD’s Nature–Culture–Sustainability Stud…
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This episode originally aired on March 17, 2021.Jeanne Gang is an architect, teacher, and the founding principal and partner of Studio Gang. The studio’s research-driven practice encourages intellectual curiosity and formal exploration across projects ranging from books and publications up to skyscrapers and urban planning. In this wide-ranging con…
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Teeth can be signals of wealth, receptors of pain, or a medium for bodily adornment, and this episode foregrounds the intersection between class, race, and nationality when it comes to our mouths. It features an interview Regina Gutierrez, a Sculpture student at RISD, as well as a consideration of the work of RISD alum Janine Antoni, who treats the…
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With vinyl, and artwork becomes something you don’t just see, but one that you can hear as well. In this episode, we take a look at the history of vinyl record production and its incorporation into avant-garde art, particularly in the sound-based work of artist and musician Christian Marclay, who pushes vinyl to its limits. This episode is presente…
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This episode originally aired April 14, 2021.Dori Tunstall is a design anthropologist, public intellectual, and design advocate who works at the intersections of critical theory, culture, and design. She’s currently the Dean of Design at Ontario College of Art and Design and previously taught at Swinburne University and the University of Illinois C…
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Can an everyday object become a work of art? This episode looks at the alchemy of the “found object,” from Marcel Duchamp’s iconoclastic use of the readymade to Amalia Pica’s contemporary use of found materials to critique and question Argentine politics. It features an interview with RISD student and fashion designer Izaak Hernandez, who studies T…
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The intersection of metal and printmaking forms the basis for this episode, which focuses on the technique of electroforming. In an extended conversation with RISD Printmaking MFA student Isabelle Ghanayem, the ecological and ethical dimensions of electroforming take center stage, from its potential toxicity to its geopolitical implications. This e…
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Copper wire yarns, a specialized form of yarn used to develop charged textiles, are very common in clothing, furniture, wound dressings, and more, and this episode examines the interconnected histories of copper mining and textile design. We look at the work of Peruvian artist Ximena Garrido-Lecca, whose work foregrounds the tension between traditi…
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This episode originally aired January 13, 2019.Nancy Skolos and Tom Wedell are designers, authors, and educators. They operate Skolos+Wedell where they are interested in demising the boundaries between graphic design and photography through collaged three-dimensional images influenced by painting, technology, and architecture and are long-time facu…
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Light: we cannot see anything without it, but when does light become a threat to art? This episode considers the complicated history of light in art, from prehistoric cave paintings to the modern abstract canvas of Mark Rothko, with a particular focus on conservation and restoration. It features an interview with Ingrid Neuman, Senior Conservator a…
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