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Thomas Jefferson and the Battle for Individual Rights
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“All honor to Jefferson—to the man who, in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence by a single people, had the coolness, forecast, and capacity to introduce into a merely revolutionary document, an abstract truth, applicable to all men and all times, and so to embalm it there, that to-day, and in all coming days, it shall be a…
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Galileo, Science, and the Struggle against the Church
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“It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved.” —Galileo Galilei Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStandard.org. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/objectivestandard Twitter: ht…
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The Artistic Genius of Michelangelo
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Michelangelo devoted every fiber of his being to the arts, becoming not only one of history’s greatest sculptors, but also one its most notable painters and architects. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStand…
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Leonardo da Vinci: King of the Renaissance Men
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Leonardo da Vinci was not only one of history’s most innovative painters, he was proficient in practically every area of intellectual and cultural achievement, including mathematics, geometry, physics, engineering, anatomy, botany, geology, geography, cartography, music, sculpture, and architecture. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever…
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Thomas Sowell’s Battle for Capitalism
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“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.” —Thomas Sowell Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStandard.org. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/…
On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Nathan Fellow Rebecca Natow joins host, Alex Morse, to discuss her latest analysis examining the retirement of US Senator and Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) Committee Chair Lamar Alexander, the role of the HELP Committee in setting congressional agendas and action…
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John D. Rockefeller: Robber Baron or Productive Genius?
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“We had vision. We saw the vast possibilities of the oil industry, stood at the center of it, and brought our knowledge and imagination and business experience to bear in a dozen, in twenty, in thirty directions.” —John D. Rockefeller Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic fig…
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Triumph over Prejudice: Cecilia Payne and Vivien Thomas
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Cecilia Payne broke open the male-dominated field of astronomy, inspiring young women to pursue scientific careers. Vivien Thomas pioneered life-saving surgical techniques, despite racial prejudices that unjustly deprived him of financial rewards and due praise. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d …
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Francis Bacon and the Genesis of the Scientific Method
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Francis Bacon was one of the first truly modern thinkers insofar as he systematically outlined key aspects of scientific methodology and shunned slavish idolatry of the past. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@Objectiv…
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Sherlock Holmes: Literature’s Most Singular Man
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Some 130+ years after his debut, Sherlock Holmes remains a literary symbol of man’s reasoning mind. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStandard.org. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/objectivestandard Twitter…
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Wilbur and Orville Wright: First in Flight
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For centuries, they said it couldn’t be done. Then, two bicycle entrepreneurs did it. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStandard.org. Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/objectivestandard Twitter: https://twit…
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Chuck Yeager: The Pilot Who Broke the Sound Barrier
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Chuck Yeager, who passed on December 7, 2020, was the first ever pilot to break the sound barrier. Annoyed at comments that he had in-born talent, he said, “I worked my tail off learning to learn how to fly, and worked hard at it all the way.” Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a h…
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George Washington: First among the Founders, Part 2
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George Washington, “father of his country,” led the Continental Army to victory in the American Revolutionary War, presided over the Constitutional Convention, and served honorably as the nation’s first president, setting the gold standard for leaders worldwide. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d …
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Victor Hugo: A Literary Immortal, with Dr. Shoshana Milgram
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Victor Hugo helped to shatter classicist dogmas about form and propriety in literature, fueling the ascendance of romanticism. To this day, his The Hunchback of Notre-Dame and Les Misérables stand as unequaled feats of literary genius. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic fi…
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Isaac Newton: History’s Greatest Scientist, with Dr. Laurence Gould
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Isaac Newton not only identified the fundamental principles of how the world works, he defined the scientific method as we know it today. Join us for a discussion of Newton’s tremendous achievements with Dr. Laurence Gould, professor of physics at the University of Hartford. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right n…
The Rockefeller Institute recently examined ballot initiatives in Oregon and Washington DC that would decriminalize psilocybin mushrooms ("magic mushrooms"). In this episode of Policy Outsider, guest Heather Trela, director of operations and fellow at the Institute, provides an update on the outcome of magic mushroom and marijuana ballot initiative…
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C Bradley Thompson on America’s Revolutionary Minds
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Bradley Thompson, author of America’s Revolutionary Mind, discusses the nature of America’s revolution; it’s heroes, known and unknown; and the ways in which moral histories such as his can help us appreciate them. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on…
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George Washington: First among the Founders, Part 1
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George Washington, “father of his country,” led the Continental Army to victory in the American Revolutionary War, presided over the Constitutional Convention, and served honorably as the nation’s first president, setting the gold standard for leaders worldwide. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d …
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Karl Marx and other Blood-Sucking Vampires | The Villain Show
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Animated by the anti-reason ideas of Immanuel Kant and G.W.F Hegel, Karl Marx preached a philosophy of class warfare and violent revolution. He promised a socialist utopia that would end poverty, inequality, and exploitation. Yet, between 1917 and 1989, Marxist regimes killed roughly 100 million people—and tortured, starved, exiled, and enslaved mi…
In this episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute researchers and fellows share remarks on the important policy issues facing the winner of the presidential election. Researchers in economic development, education, climate, gun policy, and healthcare present some of the key questions, concerns, and policy challenges that lie before the nati…
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Ayn Rand: Literary and Philosophic Revolutionary
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Ayn Rand escaped the communism of Soviet Russia in her early twenties, came to the United States, and built a career for herself as the bestselling author of The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. She developed the philosophy of Objectivism, which she said, “in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purp…
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Alexander Hamilton: The First Great Immigrant Success Story
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In his short life, Alexander Hamilton had an outsized impact on every stage of America’s founding, from leading troops and aiding Washington in the Revolutionary War, to laying the foundation for America’s capitalist economy. Join us as we discuss America’s first great immigrant with Robert Begley, author of numerous articles on this multifaceted h…
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Ep. 32. The Deconstruction of the Administrative State
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Under the Trump administration, the agencies and processes of the federal bureaucracy—i.e. the "Administrative State"—have been targeted for deconstruction and reorganization. In this episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Fellow and Professor at Daemen College Lisa Parshall discusses the Trump administration's approach to governing, inc…
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The White Rose’s Moral Crusade against the Nazis
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In 1942-43, as the National Socialists wreaked terror on the world, a group of university students and their professor collaborated in an attempt to awaken the German conscience to the magnitude of Hitler’s atrocities. In reference to the moral purity of their cause, they called themselves the White Rose. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wh…
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Daryl Davis’s Lessons on Countering Racism
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The black Boogie-woogie pianist Daryl Davis joins us for a discussion on how he got to know white supremacists and ultimately helped them to leave the Ku Klux Klan. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the show, send an email to Jon@ObjectiveStandard.…
COVID-19 has raised many questions about voting in the 2020 election: how do we keep poll workers and voters safe during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic? What changes can be made to make voting more accessible? What are some of the challenges voters still face? In this episode of Policy Outsider, guests Laura Bierman, executive director of the Lea…
The United States Postal Service (USPS) has a long history of technological innovation. It is, and has been, central to the project of democracy in the US, enabling the growth and free exchange of newspapers and information and connecting citizens to each other across the nation's expanse. In this episode of Policy Outsider, guest David Hochfelder,…
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James Madison: Father of the U.S. Constitution
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On this day in 1789, the U.S. Congress proposed to the state legislatures a series of constitutional amendments guaranteeing specific freedoms to all Americans. Here’s to the genius who made possible the Bill of Rights: James Madison. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic fig…
In this episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Fellows and members of the Institute's award winning Stories from Sullivan research team Patricia Strach, Katie Zuber, and Elizabeth Pérez-Chiqués discuss what has happened to substance-use treatment access and effectiveness during COVID-19. The episode presents audio clips from interviews c…
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Maria Montessori’s Revolution in Childhood Education
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Maria Montessori broke gender barriers, becoming one of the first female physicians in Italy. She went on to pioneer an approach to education that helps children independently develop their bodies and minds. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the sh…
The traditional model of criminal justice in the US isolates those who commit criminal acts from both survivors and society and the social support networks that could support their healing and re-integration. At the same time, those who suffer harm are often left without closure and understanding about the harm that took place. On the latest episod…
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Charles Darwin and the Triumph of Science
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Theorists prior to Charles Darwin either credited God with the creation of all species or announced theories without sufficient evidence. After years of patiently collecting, cataloging, and following the evidence, Darwin identified the fact that animals evolve via a process of natural selection, thus setting the life sciences on their proper found…
As students return to school amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, school districts are using different models to balance instructional and safety needs ranging from fully in-person to fully remote with a spectrum of hybrid approaches in between. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies at the Rockefel…
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Ernest Shackleton and the Indomitable Heroic Spirit
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Ernest Shackleton famously said “Obstacles are just things to overcome.” He lived by that principle, making three expeditions to Antarctica, one of which was intended to cross the entire continent from sea to sea. When this last went awry, Shackleton spearheaded one of the greatest survival missions in history. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify,…
John Locke, born August 29, 1632, made the first comprehensive case for individual rights, and America’s founders stood on his shoulders when declaring that “governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like …
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Ep. 26. Gun Policy & Politics in a Pandemic
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On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, guest Robert J. Spitzer, a distinguished service professor at SUNY Cortland and member of the Rockefeller Institute of Government’s Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium, speaks with Consortium Executive Director Joe Popcun about recent developments in firearm policy and politics. Over the past five mon…
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William Wilberforce: The Abolitionist that Fought Slavery to the Death
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For forty-four years, William Wilberforce fought to end slavery in Britain. Finally, in 1833—just three days before he died—he heard the joyous news that Britain would outlaw slavery in nearly all its colonies. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d like to suggest a heroic figure to be covered on the…
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Louis Pasteur and the Battle against Germs
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Louis Pasteur’s groundbreaking science has saved countless lives and continues to do so today. He pioneered the development and use of vaccines, creating the first-ever vaccines for anthrax and rabies. His work was key in confirming the germ theory of disease, leading the British surgeon Joseph Lister to develop antiseptic surgical methods. And he …
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Madam C. J. Walker: America’s First Female Self-Made Millionaire
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Sarah Breedlove (aka Madam C. J. Walker), a black woman born two years after Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, began her career washing clothes and ended it as the founder of a cosmetics company—and a self-made millionaire. She was, in fact, the first female self-made millionaire in American history. Check out this beautiful story of a b…
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Episode 7 - Joseph Priestley and the Lunar Society
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Joseph Priestley was a polymath who made major advances in science, education, and government. On July 31, 1772, he became, if not the first, one of the first men ever to isolate oxygen. We honor this and his many other achievements in this episode of The Hero Show! Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If yo…
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The Genius of Adam Smith, with Eamonn Butler
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Adam Smith is widely recognized as “the father of modern economics,” thanks to his highly influential book, The Wealth of Nations, in which he explained how free markets work and why they benefit everyone. What many don’t know is that Smith was also a vital contributor to the Scottish Enlightenment’s thinking on ethics. Join us for a conversation a…
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Ep. 25. What It Takes To Research Gun Violence
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On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, guests Joseph Popcun, Rockefeller Institute director of policy and practice, and Nicholas Simons, project coordinator at the Institute, discuss the role of the Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium in finding and developing effective policy to reduce gun violence. A recent surge in shooting incidents fo…
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Aristotle: The Philosopher Who Taught Humanity How To Think
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Few people, if any, have made as significant an impact on human progress as Aristotle. He was the father of logic and the scientific method, and he and his students spearheaded important work in botany, biology, medicine, psychology, ethics, political theory, and much more. More than 2,000 years after his death, his influence still permeates our wo…
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John Quincy Adams and the Battle for Abolition
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July 11 marks the birth of one of the antebellum period’s most powerful opponents of slavery, John Quincy Adams. Andrew Bernstein and Jon Hersey discuss his upbringing with two of the revolution’s most ardent patriots, his ministerial career, his less-than-stellar presidency, and—the capstone of his life’s work—his tireless efforts against slavery.…
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Celebrating the Independence and Courage of Amelia Earhart
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Amelia Earhart developed a passion for flying in her early twenties and followed it for the rest of her short life, breaking cultural barriers and aviation records in the process. “Never interrupt someone doing something you said couldn’t be done,” she said. And with irrepressible independence, she demonstrated that women can develop abilities equa…
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Life Lessons from Benjamin Franklin
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The tale of Benjamin Franklin’s life and accomplishments is one of the most inspiring and instructive stories in world history. If you’ve not heard it, you’re missing out. Tune in for some of Ol’ Ben’s life lessons, and use them to improve your own life today. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you’re listening right now. If you’d li…
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Frederick Douglass and the Nature of Heroes
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Andrew and Jon discuss the nature of heroes and how they can inspire us to live more heroic lives. They examine the life and ideas of Frederick Douglass, the great 19th-century intellectual, abolitionist, writer, orator, and statesmen who escaped slavery and fought for the equal protection of all people’s rights. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotif…
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Ep. 24. COVID-19: Calculating the Balance of Payments
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In a new episode of Policy Outsider, guest Laura Schultz, executive director of research at the Rockefeller Institute of Government, discusses the methods used in the Institute’s Balance of Payments report and how federal economic relief for COVID-19 is likely to impact state balance of payments and rankings. States throughout the nation are grappl…
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Ep. 23. COVID-19: Achieving a Complete Count during a Pandemic
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In a new episode of Policy Outsider, guest Nicholas Simons, project coordinator at the Rockefeller Institute of Government, discusses how COVID-19 is affecting the 2020 Census and how the U.S. Census Bureau is adjusting its operations to account for disruptions from the pandemic. In mid-March, as governments in the US began responding to the emergi…
On this episode of Policy Outsider, guest Heather Trela, director of operations and fellow at the Rockefeller Institute, discusses how COVID-19 is affecting the marijuana industry and efforts to legalize adult-use recreational marijuana at the state level. Trela discusses how prohibition of marijuana at the federal level means marijuana businesses …