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Dive-In-Justice

Shadiin Garcia & Delma Jackson

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From systemic injustice to internalized oppression, apathy, and trauma, Shadiin Garcia, Delma Jackson, and guests will pull back the layers of struggle within social progress, and dream together, even as we remind one another that our personal tragedies, triumphs, and healing will inform our ability to create a better world. If you love the idea of building intentional community, If you love history and pop-culture, If you want to dream into a society where intersectionality is baked into th ...
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As we finally close the season, Shadiin both apologizes AND blames Delma for being at fault for this episode taking soooo long to record/post... Delma checks in about Christmas covid, working in a predominantly white institution (PWIs) and what it's like to navigate these spaces. He gives a shout to Corporate Erin and #NonProfitBoss for giving voic…
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We have something special to share with you this week. This is the audio version of an essay, written by one of our collective members at the Center for Whole Communities, Samara Gaev. We simply invite you to close your eyes and take this in when you have the time, and listen as Samara gives voice to the tender reality of what it’s like to bring yo…
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Thank you for your patience faithful listener! This week, Shadiin opens up by saying the quiet part out loud and admits she loves to hear Delma stumble over pronunciations. Delma checks in about what it means to respond to the world around us based on perceived racial identity and gender and how we potentially replicate the very systems we seek to …
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Our hosts open up how much Shadiin REALLY appreciates Delma's presence in her life. From there, they discuss the nature of contemporary politics and the role of Trump in changing the political landscape so much that you start to miss Reagan and Bush. Shadiin talks about the way our various "hats" we wear impact how we choose to show up in various p…
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With the encouragement of both Shadiin and Dr. Finney, Delma briefly considers taking up late night DJ-ing. Shadiin and Delma check in about the passing of Delma's colleague and classmate, Dr. Charles Banks and the disproportionate health outcomes of BIPOC populations. Shadiin discusses her son's and their future plans. She also raises what it mean…
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Shadiin sets up Delma once again to mispronounce Indigenous nations. They check in on the Trump's team showing up in Fulton County and the idea that Fani Willis deserves her flowers sooner than later. Shadiin discusses the crazy-making that is holding people in loving accountability and the toll it takes on BIPOC. After the break, our fearless host…
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Our Apologies...we had some tech difficulties with this ep. Here's to never giving up... Our hosts check in about the start of the school year so Delma can complain about having to start getting up earlier and getting organized again. They take a moment to reminisce about his Aunt Emma as she transitions into "the pantheon of ancestors." Shadiin re…
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Our hosts check in about the start of the school year so Delma can complain about having to start getting up earlier and getting organized again. They take a moment to reminisce about his Aunt Emma as she transitions into "the pantheon of ancestors." Shadiin reflects on what it means to be tough, the trauma we navigate to get there, and what our ki…
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Shadiin and Delma open up discussing the cultural relevance of the "Rock at the Dock," The "Fadesgivin' Festivities, " otherwise known as the August 5th "Montgomery Mollywhop," wherein a group of white Alabamans fucked around and found out. They discuss how the role of blood quantum and other western notions of belonging continue to haunt the Puebl…
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This week, we join our fearless/fearful hosts as Shadiin tells salacious lies regarding the origin of Delma's humor. They check in about the intersection of anger, mourning, and disproportionate health outcomes as Delma continues to mourn the loss of his father. Shadiin processes recovering from covid in the midst of a retreat she was central in pu…
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This week, we discover why Delma never became a serious runner and why Shadiin is cowboy adjacent and an enemy of our bovine brothers and sisters. Meanwhile, your hosts try to figure out why it feels like white people are often more emotive regarding tragedies befalling our four-legged family than they are when it happens to their fellow BIPOC sibl…
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Shadiin encourages Delma to BRING IT with the introduction. Our hosts discuss a lived experience of a micro-aggression and all the ways the mind and body responded in the moment...striving hard to say the quiet parts out loud. After the break, our hosts discuss the journey from our younger, more rigid, newly-informed "woke" selves to our more comfo…
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Shadiin and Delma briefly consider renaming the podcast. Our hosts take time to check in with one another on the nuances and difficulties of getting facilitating groups while trying to make it look easy and what it means to "teach" facilitation to a new generation of people while being feeling exhausted. After the break, our hosts discuss the exist…
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After a lengthy hiatus, Shadiin and Delma are back with another season of DIJ and the mutual respect is as present as ever...Once Shadiin learns to loosen up a bit...we discuss the theme of justice and money that will inform the rest of season 3. We talk about what it means to care about both justice AND paying our bills; our need for love and our …
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Dive-In-Justice is launching season 3 on May 19th! Join Shandiin and Delma's bi-weekly pod as they examine the role of money, resources, and access in relationship to Justice. How do we seek one without forsaking the other? We don't know either, but we're gonna spend season 3 talking thru it together. Come join for the conversation. It'll be intere…
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Season 2 is in the books! Thanks SO much for being a listener! Our hosts open up with a whole season's worth of bitter love and warm hostility. They discuss balancing workloads, family, and what it means to live in head vs the heart. Shadiin discusses comfort zones and how we might benefit from finding the right balance between feeling stretched, g…
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This week on DIJ, Shadiin laughs at Delma's natural-born face. They discuss how meaningful it is to have close connections with their respective children. Our hosts discuss the promises and pitfalls of American life and how it impacts their views on patriotism vs packing it up, while in Black and Brown bodies-as well as what we saw in our fathers a…
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Shadiin and Delma discuss the horrors of Ukraine, what it brings up for them-including how this moment mirrors so many others. From the systemic assault of women to the systemic racial bias in it's coverage, our hosts grapple with what it means to be a human consuming information that deeply impacts our sense of safety, well-being, and our sense of…
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Shadiin and Delma open this week's episode with warmth, love, and light. Or...not. They move into a conversation about the ways their own inside jokes have potentially caused harm to some of our listeners-which leads to a broader analysis of how we might come to conclusions about what's acceptable and what's not-and to what extent we're even equipp…
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Delma & Shadiin open the episode reflecting on Delma's obvious high quality as reflected by the quality of his guests. Shadiin complains about having to confess her pettiness first as they dive into notions of retribution and rest. Delma confesses to being often on a high moral horse when working with white people and they discuss the benefits and …
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This week, we discover just how well-versed Delma is in the nuances of Indigenous nations. Shadiin ponders the toll of white supremacy on BIPOC health over the long haul. They both discuss the importance of rest in the face of ongoing social turmoil, oppression, and upheaval. The DIJ hosts welcome Lori Tapahonso (Diné/Acoma Pueblo). Lori is a publi…
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Shadiin and Delma open up by discussing whiteness. From Jan 6, to friendships, to dating, to work life and beyond. They discuss how aging impacts our ability to show up and hold difficult spaces-even when they're filled by people who look just like us. Our fearless hosts reflect on the enraging nature of trying to figure out the nuances of communit…
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Delma and Shadiin take care through the latest wave of COVID as they dive deep into a debate on cultural appropriation, especially around who is capable of appropriating based on where whiteness is present and how systems of power really work. Environmental justice leader, Vernice Miller-Travis, founder of WE ACT for Environmental Justice and Execu…
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Delma's sexism is apparently on full display when we join our hosts. Delma and Shadiin then discuss the various ways in which we can sometimes harbor ill-will toward people in our lives and what constitutes a reasonable expectation for dealing with it. Our hosts then welcome Stevi Atkins and Teresa Springer of Wellness Services INC-an AIDS service …
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Shadiin and Delma are joined by dear friends, deep thinkers, committed activists, sincerely fierce humans, and Senior Fellows from the Center for Whole Communities: Kavitha Rao and Mohamad Chakaki. They open with the work of the Center for Whole Communities, how it centers/resurfaces indigenous practices like story-telling to better hold tension, e…
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After Delma makes the words bigger (and highlights them) to help Shadiin read the screen, they trade their usual sweetness. Shadiin and Delma then open up about what it means to be a Global Majority/BIPOC human facilitating difficult conversations in predominantly white spaces. How do we remain authentic and What to do with the anger, frustration, …
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The Center for Whole Communities and Shoreline Consulting is proud to present Season 2 of Dive in Justice: The podcast that explores “building ideal communities with our less than ideal selves.” Shadiin and Delma open season 2 with all the warmth and cynicism you've come to love and expect. Our hosts name the fact that their work often asks others …
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Delma and Shadiin provide a retrospective look at all we learned together over the past months from our amazing guests. The season finale provides highlights, reflections, and important points from past episodes - what really stuck out to us from our guests, and what might have changed us or what we might be taking with us well into the future base…
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Delma and Shadiin dive into the heatwaves people are experiencing caused by climate change, returning to being social, and the happiness of a true 40-hour work week, which is all too uncommon in the public service and nonprofit realms. Kellie Richardson joins as a guest this week, a writer and artist educator born and raised in Tacoma Washington. H…
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Delma and Shadiin dive into what it feels like to be put in the position of policing people claiming to be Native American and talk with lifelong educator and activist, Jeff Bean. Jeff also happens to be the first White person interviewed on the show and is a retired teacher who spent 9 years at Detroit Catholic Central and 25 years at Flint Commun…
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Delma and Shadiin dive into storytelling for justice, “moving courageously towards a sacred purpose,” and being called to care for our collective descendents with Tannia Esparza. Tannia is a queer Chicanx raised in Chumash people's ocean waters now known as Santa Barbara, California, from a migrant family of brave persistent matriarchs who is now h…
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Delma is tempted to bully a 10-year-old and Shadiin is saddened by the state of our curricula that would allow 10-year-olds to be more critical in response to global events. They also discuss how language reveals parts of ourselves we're not always proud of. Delma and Shadiin also dive in with racial justice leaders in the Pacific northwest and twi…
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Allergy season comes for Shadiin, Delma’s struggles with motivating his kids through the end of the school year, and they both still manage to have a good week as they dive in with guest, internationally recognized Janene Yazzie, a Diné community activist who is co-founder and CEO of Sixth World Solutions, which works with Diné communities to devel…
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Delma and Shadiin dive into the story behind Leah Penniman’s work with SoulFire Farm that goes far beyond food production. They talk spiritual practice, solidarity, land rights, ancestral work, and intergenerational pettiness. Threads of family and place flow throughout. Leah Penniman is a Black Creole farmer, author, mother, and food justice activ…
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Delma and Shadiin dive into the complexity of owning a firearm while in Black and Brown bodies, and what happens when you’re allergic to vaccinations. Like owning a gun, they question why loving the earth is so often framed as a white experience and why sometimes everything we seem to do feels like a reaction to white folks as opposed to creating a…
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On episode 4, Shadiin and Delma get petty while talking about compassion in a perfect world. The episode features guest, Janet Soto Rodriguez, who apparently borrowed Shadiin’s car within about five minutes of knowing each other. Delma brings disappointingly less sass than usual, but delivers on words of limitless wisdom while Shadiin asks deep que…
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On this episode, Shadiin and Delma talk: adulting from paying off car notes to watching cat videos, and trade highs and lows. The episode features guest, Enroue Halfkenny, who identifies as a 52-year old, Boston-born, multi-racial, cisgender Black male raised by organizers and activists who taught him the importance of community liberation movement…
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On this second episode of the podcast, Shadiin and Delma dive with Khalif on identity - fixed identity as a white construct and the balance between love and accountability. With hearts laid bare, this episode goes deeper into current politics, work highs and lows, family, and complexities around solidarity. You can find it, support, and directly fo…
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Delma Jackson and Shadiin Garcia explore the past, present, and future of living out justice. They discuss the concept of erasure and ask questions like “What does it mean to be one’s best self with love and compassion in such a divided country, especially when confronted by oppression?” and “What does it mean for our dreaming to be transcendent, a…
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Delma: This is Delma Jackson. Shadiin: And I’m Shadiin Garcia and welcome to our new podcast Dive-In-Justice. Delma/Shadiin: This podcast is for you… If you love the idea of building intentional community, If you love history and pop-culture, If you want to dream into a society where intersectionality is baked in, Then dive in with us. Shadiin: Kno…
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